What is with the trust of NASA?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
again talk about incoherent...the facts are there, you got a lot of searching to do and maybe some soul searching as well...

If the facts are so evident, if you are indeed in possession of evidence as you claim, then it should be a very simple matter to present it. Instead, you dance around it, equivocating and dismissing.

Thus far you have called me a disinfo agent, delusional, corrected my spelling, insulted skeptics but have no presented this evidence you claim to have. Very interesting.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

That is so funny I just want to LOL because when people who believe bring forth evidence skeptics always find some excuse to debunk it. Then you counter that debunk. Then the skeptic counteracts that one. Then you rinse and repeat until one side tires out. You could actually show close up video footage and they say it is fake. This is why I sometimes wonder if we are just here for comedy purposes because I just can't help but laugh at humanity.

reply to post by dragnet53
Yeah I regret arguing with him...It doesn't matter really...Time will surely tell all.

reply to post by NWOWILLFALL

they have lied to everyone consistently yet we believe them consistently

Show me these events in which NASA lied to everyone.

I know its easy to bash legitimate science because you think they're hiding aliens but honestly NASA is just as interested in the prospect of alien life as the rest of us are its just they deal in real science not pseudoscience.

If NASA has ever covered anything up it would probably be military tech in space that they don't want us to know about, there would be no benefit to faking the moon landing or hiding evidence of alien life.

The moon landing hoax claims have never held any water and how on Earth you figure us landing on the moon would strike fear into other countries is beyond me. Also, if it had been faked I think the Russian scientists would have been the first to cry foul. Certainly if there were even the smallest inkling that any of it were fake there would have been legitimate scientists saying it was a hoax. So you mean to tell me the government shot it on a movie set and managed to fool every moon expert, astronomer and PhD on the planet for the last forty-one years?

I don't trust NASA completely though, as they are a human organization and capable of error (made more prone to error by being a govt agency), still I resent the idea that their legitimate scientific efforts are part of sinister conspiracies to hide rogue planets...

What reason would they have to cover up Nibiru? If a planet was coming to decimate the Earth what harm would it do to warn everyone? In fact why not warn everyone a decade in advance? Seriously, most Nibiru believers I've talked to seem to think the government's known about this for a good long while and if told a decade in advance with plenty of time to prepare it could hardly cause panic to warn everyone.

In conclusion: I resent the talk of cover-ups and I think that while NASA is a human organization and mistakes can be made they are also a facet of legitimate science. Maybe its just me but I'll take legit science over tabloid speculation any day of the week



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Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
There was a thread not long ago about nibiru, now IM NOT claiming it exists but for all the skeptics the only graphs I got from anyone were from NASA...they have lied to everyone consistently yet we believe them consistently ...I just don't get it.

You engage in red herring after red herring.

Unable to construct a cogent argument to support your ideas or present evidence that falsifies the NASA data, you instead rely on ad hominems and appeals-to-spite. You cannot tell us why the data was wrong, only that you distrust NASA, therefore it must be wrong, evidence be damned.

Boy, am I glad I read as far as your reply 'cause I was just deciding not to get involved since all I could do was insult this guy, and his supporters, from here to there. His opinion comes from not having a high education and being ignorant of the way the world works. He "rages" about the moon landing being a hoax! How ignorant some people can be. They're fortunate that ATS doesn't censor b.s. 'cause if they did this thread would have been pulled from the get-go.

Thanks for expressing your dissatisfaction with such calmness. It helped keep me at bay.

I so love it when people like your thinking that the only ones who are like NWOWILLFALL and co. are just uneducated folk who don't know what they are talking about. I am educated and know quite well that humanity are conniving beings. Then when I took all my Psychology classes it just made my evidence grow more. Humans are not goody-two-shoes beings. They always want power and money. Not all do but some that are in your government or some type of Hierarchy do. I understand the human mind quite well and it is a fascinating topic for a different thread.

But like I stated peoples egos don't want to be hurt so they will hide and manipulate things just so that their reputation won't get hurt. NASA started out good and now they can't be trusted.

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Ok now I will argue...What reason would they have to hide it? read Brave New World and eco science...they make it quite clear that they want to depopulate the earth...you have to understand the "god" complex these people have..They believe that they are special.
drugging our food with aspartame and fluoridating our water supply which is now absolutely confirmed...They have touched every single institution and that definitely includes NASA quit believing main stream science and start doing your own research and like I said to mr. doomsday, that does not include NASA.GOV.

he US Air Force has test-flown a prototype hypersonic plane.

Launched last Thursday from California’s Vandenberg Airbase atop a Minotaur Lite booster rocket, the Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle travelled 65 hundred kilometres west at speeds of up to 21 thousand kilometres an hour. The experiment lasted 30 minutes, the closing 21 of them without communication with the vehicle. The latter finally splashed down into the Central Pacific Ocean.
The US Air Force hopes to develop a robotic hypersonic plane capable of travelling at over 20 times the speed of sound.

That is technology that has been hidden longer than stealth...This explains most UFO sightings...Just one of the many things...I can't confirm it but I believe NASA constructed this "plane" that can travel 20 TIMES THE SPEED OF SOUND I don't care what anyone says this is exotic and I don't believe this technology was conceivable to the human mind.

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I've researched the depopulation agenda and as far as I can tell, if there is an agenda it ain't working.

Are there a few nutjob Elites who want us all gone? Yeah, sure. Are they going to get their way? Not at all and there is no evidence that they are. Aspartame may be bad for you but its not going to kill off 6 billion people.

There's this idea that they're going to kill all but 500 Million of us, its on the Georgia Guidestones, BUT that would bring their economy to a screeching halt. You see they are feeding off us like a parasite, we are the source of their wealth. Without a big bottom 90% the top 10% has nothing to feed off of. So for now they NEED most of us.

What part does NASA have to play in depopulation anyway? They gonna shoot the bodies into space? Are all the FEMA camps gonna have launch pads You do understand how ridiculously paranoid you are being right? You are aware most scientists aren't on a government payroll right and that even the ones that are have to pass peer review which is not easy if you're lying and outright falsifying results.

I favor legitimate science over tabloid garbage but that doesn't mean I don't look at the alternatives and weigh my options carefully. Pseudoscientific speculation has no peer review process, it can be complete and utter lies and someone somewhere will believe it.

Yeah well you want the truth...the universe is teeming with life and they know it, take from that statement what you will...They are lying to us they probably are just worried about the people finding out that they have been lying because they claim they are searching for life when the truth is it's already here...

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I agree that the Universe is probably teeming with life but to a scientists mind it works like this:

Universe is probably teeming with life BUT we have no evidence. Without evidence to support that conclusion there is no reason to believe that the Universe has to be teeming with life.

My guess is that most scientists will tell you there is alien life of some kind out there but they can't make it official until we find definitive proof. And if they're willing to admit its PROBABLY out there than they'd be willing to admit its out there if they found it.

In my opinion NASA doesn't know anything more about aliens that we do, course we'll never know for sure unless their is government disclosure. Its sort of pointless to speculate on and there is definitely not any definitive proof of a cover-up of aliens whether intelligent or microbial in nature.

Look at NASA video tapes that they either claim is "ice or "debris" for some that may be true but for others...umm yeah no.

NASA cameras www.youtube.com...

reply to post by NWOWILLFALL


I remember that video, very cool. NASA tries to give these things logical inside the box explanations and they get blamed for a cover-up when really they don't have enough info to call the thing in that video alien and if the craft in the video was a government test craft they'd have even more reason to claim it was just debris.

UFOs are cool and I'm all for disclosure, heck I'd like to know what they are and I've seen one myself but I don't think NASA knows more than we do about it. Maybe its just wishful thinking but I like to think the government is just as in the dark about UFOs as we are (except for the UFOs caused by their test craft).

I made a series of disclosure videos in fact and used NASA video in a few of them:

So your telling me that they are watching our aerospace 24/7 and they are not picking these things up? That doesn't sound reasonable, It's suppose to be there job to look for something like this...and I'm sure if this one was ours we wouldn't shoot down our on missile.



Nevermind maybe it was a test to see if the beam could shoot down the missile...

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reply to post by NWOWILLFALL


Well what if UFOs aren't alien? What if they are caused by some other aerial phenomenon that NASA can't detect. Or if they are alien they must be quite advanced and could probably avoid detection. See its an unexplained thing, there's lots of room for speculation but very little real concrete info on UFOs. That's why I think NASA is in the dark, if these are alien craft they can breeze by the ISS and Shuttle, mess with the astronauts heads and then zoom off before being detected or seen.

Imagine how frustrating it would be to be a scientist and see these UFOs all the time but be unable to prove their existence or even figure out what they are. Alien jerks playing ding dong ditch with the Earth.

Most NASA "UFO" footage is inconclusive, it could be UFOs but it could also be debris really close to the camera. Remember the Rods phenomenon, how it turned out to be bugs that were moving too fast? Or how dust orbs form in ghost photos, its just dust close to the camera but it forms a giant orb when the flash hits it. Who's to say the same thing can't work in space, objects in the foreground are smaller than they appear.

Who knows, all this speculation is really pointless. At the end of the day real science trumps pseudoscience, that isn't to say there aren't subjects generally considered pseudoscientific that don't have real merit but that until we clear out all the BS there will be no reason for science to actually study them.

Take Nibiru for example, all this nonsense about 2012 or nibiru or reptilians makes it impossible for real scientists to take UFOs or any of this stuff seriously in the same way that things like no-plane theory and mini-nuke theory make it hard for legitimate science to take 911 theories seriously. Until the yahoos and true nutjobs tone it down the rest of us are going to have to wade through BS and pseudoscience because real science isn't going to touch this stuff with a ten foot pole.

Reptilians are another issue and there is evidence to make it somewhat plausible but anyways UFO's have been detected on radar several times performing "impossible" maneuvers at speeds that would be potentially life threatening to a human pilot...who knows...and some of NASA's footage is absolutely not ice or debris...rods no that's nothing, orbs are dust...Not some of these video's that NASA has taped on several occasions.

As for 9/11 if your a scientist and you don't believe 9/11 was an inside job then you have either been paid off or your not a scientist south tower free fall proved Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared) 2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) Time(squared) = (2 x Distance) / Gravity Time(squared) = 2710 / 32 = 84.7 Time = 9.2...........FREE FALL SPEED

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by NWOWILLFALL

 

Show me these events in which NASA lied to everyone.

you are joking right .this is either a joke or your a govt spy. the lies goes back decades here is your precious nasa

explain this

img53.imageshack.us...

or this

www.iirobotics.com...

or this

www.youtube.com...

or this

www.youtube.com...

this list could go on for days. now do you feel lied too?

go back and tell your bosses

"DISCLOSURE NOW"

reply to post by Unknown Soldier

I agree with you. NASA really is not run by civilians for one and is just an extension of the military.

This isn't new "news". NASA has alway been apart of the DOD as per the ideas that rockets are a threat to national security. So is the technology associated with them.

This goes back to 1958, look it up. No big secret there.

Source Here

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Link number one appears to be an artifact of the data collection, as often happens with Google Earth there are blurry areas and areas you can't quite get all the way to the ground at and artifacts.

Either way a blur is hardly proof of anything. I'm not even going to bother reading through the second link, I've read about some of the UFO encounters NASA crew have had, that doesn't mean they're hiding anything. Just because you experience something doesn't mean you can show what it is or even prove it existed so these events may well happen and leave no evidence behind which is very hard to reconcile for a scientific mind. We cannot attach sinister intent to an image simply because NASA edited it just as we cannot assume there are trees on Mars when NASA decides to recolor images a little funny.

The first youtube video appears to be a rock inside a crater. Later they zoom in and appear to have created a physical model to show their interpretation of the "craft" in greater detail. If there is anything artificial about the object it would definitely prove alien involvement but then again we are looking at footage of the object right ... maybe NASA should be reminded how a cover-up works.

The last clip is likely a hoax, I've seen it before and it was just as unconvincing then as it is now. Its even in the ENTERTAINMENT section of youtube, hardly scientific. Edit to Add: I tried to post a comment to this video educating one user about why we never see the far side of the moon. This user had claimed that the moon doesn't "spin" which is not true at all. However when I went to post the comment I got a "comment pending approval" meaning any comment can be rejected by the video poster, so anyone who disagrees with the video can just be ignored. Most of the comments I've read appear to support the video, gee, I wonder why

I won't rule out the idea of NASA hiding things that the military deems sensitive but I am very skeptical of the idea of them hiding aliens. Should they be trusted completely? Certainly not, they're only human and they work for the government. Should we go hog wild with paranoid pseudoscientific speculation? No. Remaining open-minded but skeptical is probably the best stance to take in all things.

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