2010 Australian Federal Election

Voting in this election is not going to be easy and considering it is a 2 horse race our choices leave a lot to be desired.

On the one hand we have Kevin Rudd in all his Labour glory and on the other we have Tony Abbott with his Liberal views..

Who else can I vote for because I'm not sure either one of these are up to the job....

I am not very politically savvy and am wondering what others thoughts are regarding the upcoming election.

Views...?

VOTE GREENS!!

They got around 11-12% of the vote in 07.

They are the only real alternative that stand a chance to make change.

VOTE GREENS!!



ETA: They did really well in Tas

They are an intelligent and real party - not a bunch of ferals!

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Leftwing/Rightwing same bird I'm afraid . There is no such thing as two party politics my friend . Damned if you do damned if you don't !

reply to post by ghostsoldier


Whilst Im not a homosexual or a rabid environmentalist like Bob Brown I will concede after listening to the Senate on the radio that he is one of the few Senators that actually reads or gets briefed on upcoming legislation and will debate it,most dont even bother they just vote yay or nay based on what the party tells them.

reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix

Why would him being a homosexual have anything to do with the way he does politics?

And I would hardly call being forward thinking "the equivalent of being "rabid".

Its these perceptions that got the world into the mess it is today.

Vote Greens.

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Voting is such a joke I cant believe I used to take it seriously. Im reluctent to just not vote out of protest cuz the media will just label us lazy. I dont really care about the fine, or any other deterent for that matter. Im thinking bout how I could send a message and voting for a party the msm doesnt back as much is an option.

Or a better option could be to vote for the one that is going to be easier for us to expose, regardless of how much I hate them. The imporatant thing is letting people know the about the whole facade and illusion of democracy, leading them to research TPTB. So the candidate that is going to be easier to get some real protest happening, or the puppets more likely to slip up and expose his strings or something. This could mean voting for the worst candidate, or the most brazen, that will push things a little too far and potentially expose the hidden secrets about whose in controll by leading people to the internet for an outlet where they may find the truth.

Either way I really just dont care which puppet is chosen, I dont care about this insulting show they put on for the public. I want the whole damn system to change.

Edit to add; I get the feeling the greens are there for an outlet so that intelligent people who see past lab/lib feel like they have an option. If this option wasnt there they could risk sending highly intelligent people into protest mode which wont turn out good for any of them.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by polarwarrior]

reply to post by ghostsoldier

I was just saying I do not have his mindset your right his sexual proclivities should not effect how he does his job,now whilst I do believe that I want as healthy an environment as possible the answer to carbon energy is nuclear not wind or solar as there are 20 000 000 of us and for the amount of energy we use its the only cost effective alternative.

reply to post by polarwarrior

Dude our voting system in of it self is pretty good - its the decisions people make that make it seem like there is no hope. That and the massive advertising.

People are way too binary

yes no
Left Right
Labor Liberal
Vote Dont-Vont

People gotta snap out of this!

Anyone who doesn't vote or donkey-votes and is eligible to shouldn't be aloud to live here in my opinion.

Vote Greens

Voting is one of the only tools we have left - USE IT!!!

anglodemonicmatrix - I'm all for Nuclear-FUSION, until we get there, we shouldn't be messing with the stuff. And Solar, Wind, Wave and Tidal energy supply systems haven't even begun to show themselves because there is #-all investment in them.

And its not like if the Greens were in power that all their changes would take place overnight.


DO YOU ALL REALISE:
How much more money Australia would have if we nationalised our minerals?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!

We could be like Switzerland and not even worry about paying taxes.

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

I am so sick of the system we have. The two party preferred system only serves the two major parties. Not the voting public at large!

reply to post by tim.vic.au

Use your vote to help tip the scales then.

But I agree, the two-party system is bogus, it has been since Labor sold out back in the day.

Vote Green!

As the AEC doesn't have my current address, I won't be voting in the next federal election...

Liberal, Labor, Greens, Family First, Nationals, Country Liberal (Nigel Scullion is a bigger dickhead than Steve Fielding) makes no difference....They're all the same and voting for any of them is pointless...

Ghostsolider, whilst I admire your enthusiasm for the Greens, having more of them in either the House of Reps or the Senate would be an unmitigated disaster....

They have done little but engage in obstructionism for the sake of it, or prostituted themselves to whomever wants to do a deal with them...They have made the business of day to day governing difficult for both Labor and the Liberals...If they actually did constructive things and didn't just vote against the government of the day for the sake of it, you might be right...

However, they don't and they're just as bad as any other political party when all is said and done...

Im not voting for anyone...Labour, liberal and greeens all have their faults...Id rather pay the 50 dollar fine than vote for the leading clown from anyone of these parties...they are all an absolute joke and do not have any leadership skills whatsoever...Australia has really been lucky to have gotten as far as it has with the poor quality leadership of late.

Imagine how far we could go as a nation if there was a decent leader who actually had some intelligence/balls and gave a damn about this country instead of the corporations and factions that influence and run it.

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia

You mean someone like Bob Brown?

Lib & Lab just see us all as a life-support system for the mines - that's all - atleast the greens believe in a future. Tell me what you dislike about them?

And if you're gonna fudge a vote - atleast do the honorable donkey-vote - and vote for the legalise-marijuana party.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Australia has really been lucky to have gotten as far as it has with the poor quality leadership of late.

Imagine how far we could go as a nation if there was a decent leader who actually had some intelligence/balls and gave a damn about this country instead of the corporations and factions that influence and run it.

I completely agree... but who? With Labour Premiers in every state except WA it's going to be an interesting election to say the least however I see no clear political leader in ANY state or territory who would be capable of taking our country into the future while digging us out of the mess we are currently in.

I don't agree with selling our country off piece by piece and this is the solution we are being handed...

Unfortunately ghostsoldier although I certainly do admire the Greens and 'most' of what they stand for I don't think they will ever have the support needed to become a major player in our Government.

So I am still unsure. I guess I will wait and see what kind of mud slinging advertisements our tax dollars come up with to try and sway me one way or the other..

Originally posted by damn_ummmm
Unfortunately ghostsoldier although I certainly do admire the Greens and 'most' of what they stand for I don't think they will ever have the support needed to become a major player in our Government.

Only because people have the same perception as you, so they revert back to programming and vote for twinkle-dee and twinkle-dum. Every vote counts, the more votes they get, the more power they get in the senate.

Lib & Lab are a waste of time.

Every vote counts!

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

Originally posted by damn_ummmm
Unfortunately ghostsoldier although I certainly do admire the Greens and 'most' of what they stand for I don't think they will ever have the support needed to become a major player in our Government.

Only because people have the same perception as you, so they revert back to programming and vote for twinkle-dee and twinkle-dum. Every vote counts, the more votes they get, the more power they get in the senate.

Lib & Lab are a waste of time.

Every vote counts!

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

So why do they give their votes away with preferences then? I'm sure if they made a statement that a vote for the Greens was a vote for the Greens and not one of the major 2 more people would vote for them...

reply to post by damn_ummmm

They have to, its the way our system works in parliament - we have a 2 party system. The two parties with the most votes recieve preferences from everybody else to define a winner out of 2.

That doesn't mean that the 2 parties couldn't be Labor vs. Greens.

It filters up.

If I vote for Socialist Alliance, they give their preference to Greens, Greens give there preference to Labor.

Its just because we have a stupid 2 party system - but you're votes aren't wasted. The government gives money to rival political parties to use in campaigning based on how many votes they received. And that can go along way. It also goes toward the Senate, which is extremely important! Because that is where alot of decisions are decided upon.

Its a 2 party system, but we decide which 2.

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

oyyyyyyy lol

you're not making it any easier for me man lol

greens.org.au

reply to post by damn_ummmm

- okay let me try again.

Because our government sits across from eachother on a 2 sided table - there is no room for a third side.

So everyone who doesn't get to sit at this 2 sided table - has to give their seats to the 2 biggest groups of people.

But all the people who don't get to sit at the table, still get rewards.

And if they get enough votes - Like the Greens do - they can have a few people sit at the other table - which is equally, if not more so, important than the table they are excluded from.

Make sense?

[edit on 28/4/10 by ghostsoldier]

reply to post by ghostsoldier


Yeah I understand about the 2 party system and preferences.. what I don't understand is why don't the Greens, and others, want to have a crack at running the country?

Who says we can and will only ever have 2 parties to choose from to run our country?

We are always told that a monopoly in business is very bad and even a duopoly eg woolworths/coles.. why does that not apply to politics as well?

I'm sure I will get a very lengthy reply answering my questions.. I just hope I can understand it lol

And yes, be concerned.. there are a lot of people like me with only minimal understanding that vote! lol