Look at BAPHOMET, really look at him - what is that in his trousers!

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i beleive that's the kundalini or some representation of it

why do you think masons worship baphomet, i've never heard of such that's why i ask, peace

The oldest known image of two snakes coiling around a center rod is of the Sumerian god Ningishzida [1]



, here seen accompanied by two gryphons. The image predates the Caduceus of Hermes, the Rod of Asclepius and the staff of Moses by more than a millennium[2].

He is called "lord of the good tree"[3], or "lord who makes the trees grow right"[4]. I believe therefore that the rod in the center is a symbol for the Tree of Life, as he is also depicted as a snake[1].

Some call the rod a spinal cord, this may be because they want to believe that the reason why the snakes usually cross each other seven times is to represent the seven chakras[5]. The obvious problem with this theory is that the earliest known mention of chakras is found in the later Upanishads[6] which were composed in the medieval and early modern period[7], long after the Sumerians.

Personally, I believe this is a symbol for the human DNA, as has been suggested by other researchers. To me, it is just another symbolic representation of the gift from Satan in the bible's Garden of Eden, it is the same story, told in countless number of variations over thousands of years. The story in its most basic form is that of the awakening of the human mind in ancient times, this was not accidental, but was a gift from Satan. It is also called the "Dawn of Man", and is symbolized by the rising sun etc. I also believe that the reason the snakes usually cross each other seven times is a symbol of the seven original angels, of which Lucifer was their leader, but I have no proof of this.

[1] Ningishzida, Wikipedia
[2] Turner, Frederick. Natural Religion. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 0765803321
[3] The Deity Ningishzida
[4] Gods, Demons & Immortals whose Names Start with 'N'
[5] Serpent (Symbolism), Wikipedia
[6] Chakras, Chrystal links
[7] Upanishads, Wikipedia


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Originally posted by Trublue
I'm tired of all this blindness!

Are you all deliberately pretending to be blind?

Looking closely at the Baphometyou will see that the emphasis is on sex. This Being is androgynous -- both male and female -- you can see it has the breasts of a woman, and an erect phallus. You'll notice that the erect phallus has two serpents coiled around it.

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It is indeed an erect penis, which is what the Illuminati worship.

Freemasons believe that the masculine and the feminine combine to form the "perfected man." You will see on many talk shows a male host stage left and a female host stage right with the guest in the middle.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

The name is around a bit longer, true. I'm referring to the picture.
The picture is Eliphas Levi's Sabbat Goat, from the mid 1800's. Read the whole article you yourself posted.

In the 19th century, the name of Baphomet became associated with the occult. In 1854, Eliphas Levi published Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie ("Dogmas and Rituals of High Magic"), in which he included an image he had drawn himself which he described as Baphomet and "The Sabbatic Goat", showing a winged humanoid goat with a pair of breasts and a torch on its head between its horns (illustration, top). This image has become the best-known representation of Baphomet.

It did come up under Templar torture, and the descriptions didn't match, the testimonies gave different descriptions.
The head ceremony, if there was one, probably had more to do with John the Baptist, who the Templars held in esteem.

You forgot to mention that Eliphas Levi was a high-level Freemason, as were many, if not most, of the occultists in the 19th century.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Freemasons believe that the masculine and the feminine combine to form the "perfected man."

The hermaphrodite you write off is an alchemical metaphor rather than a masonic 'belief' per se. Although some aspects of Freemasonry refer to alchemical beliefs, that does not mean that they are the same.

Christianity assimilated and celebrates an originally pagan ritual (i.e. the supposed birth date of Christ) and yet Christians are clearly not 'pagans'.

The perfected 'man' is something of a misnomer unless you clarify 'man' as species rather than as a gender or sex. It should perhaps be represented as the 'perfected human'

Disclaimer: Transvestites and transsexuals are not examples of the 'perfected human' -the process is metaphorical and not simply gender reassignment.

I have not read through all the thread but this is my thoughts on the subject. Baphomet was indeed honoured by the knights templars as it was before them.
This image of Baphomet is Levis version which is slightly different from the original.

It has a flame on its head = Fire

It has fish scales on the stomach = Water

It has wings = Air

It sits upon a cube = Earth

It is both male and female

It has one hand pointed up and the other down

One side is illuminated and the other is not (night and day)

This is the god of wisdom (the stag god) which was honoured by the celts of old who passed their knowledge on through the catholic church in secret.

There is nothing evil about this at all.

Originally posted by SugarCube

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Freemasons believe that the masculine and the feminine combine to form the "perfected man."

The hermaphrodite you write off is an alchemical metaphor rather than a masonic 'belief' per se. Although some aspects of Freemasonry refer to alchemical beliefs, that does not mean that they are the same.

Christianity assimilated and celebrates an originally pagan ritual (i.e. the supposed birth date of Christ) and yet Christians are clearly not 'pagans'.

The perfected 'man' is something of a misnomer unless you clarify 'man' as species rather than as a gender or sex. It should perhaps be represented as the 'perfected human'

Disclaimer: Transvestites and transsexuals are not examples of the 'perfected human' -the process is metaphorical and not simply gender reassignment.

Lots of Freemasons I've talked to studied and believed in medieval alchemy.

The concept of Jesus, itself, was taken from other systems of faith.

No, it's man as in not woman. These people believe that women are evil and hysterical. Even in Judaism, a woman who is on her period is supposed to be segregated from the rest of the family. That is why men cook in Jewish homes.

Originally posted by LUXUS
I have not read through all the thread but this is my thoughts on the subject. Baphomet was indeed honoured by the knights templars as it was before them.
This image of Baphomet is Levis version which is slightly different from the original.

That was a rumor spread by Pope Clement V. I haven't seen any evidence for it.

perhaps I need to clarify my previous post:

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Lots of Freemasons I've talked to studied and believed in medieval alchemy.

As you said and as I tried to illustrate in my post, belief in one aspect of a belief doctrine does not mean that you adhere to the entirety of that system.

There is a cross-over point between Freemasonry and Alchemy, however, the two are distinct. Symbolically, the same icon may have different meanings to different groups.

Consider the Templars, no neo-Templar can be a member of the original Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon because that order was endowed under the auspices of the Vatican dissolved the order in 1312. One thing is not the other. neo-Templars may state that they are 'Templars' but they are not real 'Templars'.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
No, it's man as in not woman.

No, the hermaphrodite is neither man nor woman, it is a perfect blend. The 'man' is a misnomer and is a reference to species. Rather like the 'perfect horse' is neither a stallion or a mare.

Yes, the belief that a woman was a lesser being was/is prevalent in many religions, however, from an alchemical perspective and certainly from the pagan influences from which alchemy derives many of its notions, man and woman are equal in status even if pragmatically assigned different roles. They take superior and inferior roles depending on their role within a given scenario.

This is a good example of how the original concepts can be misrepresented within the context of a different cause. 'These people' are not the true representatives of the originating belief system.


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Originally posted by SugarCube
perhaps I need to clarify my previous post:

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Lots of Freemasons I've talked to studied and believed in medieval alchemy.

As you said and as I tried to illustrate in my post, belief in one aspect of a belief doctrine does not mean that you adhere to the entirety of that system.

There is a cross-over point between Freemasonry and Alchemy, however, the two are distinct. Symbolically, the same icon may have different meanings to different groups.

Consider the Templars, no neo-Templar can be a member of the original Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon because that order was endowed under the auspices of the Vatican dissolved the order in 1312. One thing is not the other. neo-Templars may state that they are 'Templars' but they are not real 'Templars'.

There are people, including Freemasons themselves, who claim that the Templars went underground and survived by joining Masonic lodges.

My point was that the two were mended (no pun intended). You can't get into any substantive discussion of Freemasonry without discussing geometry or medieval alchemy. This is an example of how the Illuminati has infiltrated Freemasonry.

No, the hermaphrodite is neither man nor woman, it is a perfect blend. The 'man' is a misnomer and is a reference to species. Rather like the 'perfect horse' is neither a stallion or a mare.

Yes, the belief that a woman was a lesser being was/is prevalent in many religions, however, from an alchemical perspective and certainly from the pagan influences from which alchemy derives many of its notions, man and woman are equal in status even if pragmatically assigned different roles. They take superior and inferior roles depending on their role within a given scenario.

It's a perfected man, as in a man who arose to godhood.

The alchemists were not pagans or Celtics per se, but obviously they took influence from their surroundings.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
My point was that the two were mended (no pun intended). You can't get into any substantive discussion of Freemasonry without discussing geometry or medieval alchemy. This is an example of how the Illuminati has infiltrated Freemasonry.

I agree with the proposition that alchemy and geometry has to be taken into account when a discussion of the origins of Freemasonry takes place, however, I'm not entirely sure that Masonry itself remembers or understand the origins of all the aspects of their rituals and icons. Some of these have indeed taken on new interpretations to suit the context of the period in which they are practised and presented.

As to the last sentence, without qualification I am not sure what this means - which 'Illuminati'? The group that wishes to network for business reasons, the ones that congregate with others of a similar disposition or the ones that try to promote a political agenda? Notwithstanding the guys who just want a night out occasionally in a 'club' atmosphere...

It's a perfected man, as in a man who arose to godhood.

In the pure form, 'man' as in 'human', not as in 'male'... The alchemical, sacred marriage, also called the 'hierosgamos' or union of opposites, is also a metaphorical reference to the the product of the sacred marriage which is the child of Sol and Luna. This represents the alchemical hermaphrodite or 'divine child' as the progeny of the sacred marriage between the sun king and the moon queen

The hermaphrodite is also called the 'Rebis' which is the final product - the realisation of the divine child born from the alchemical, sacred marriage. The hermaphrodite is a symbol for a 'process' and a 'result' at the same time and does not refer to persons specifically, however, persons may undergo the process in spiritual terms whether male or female. Inanimate objects could also undergo the process as an illustration of that process.

I agree, the alchemists were not pagans per se, but the work is the resurgence of previous belief systems and an effort to synthesise the first understandings of scientific principles with the workings of the natural world without disparaging the concept of a spiritual essence.

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He was not a high-level Mason. Where do you get that? Right after was made a Master Mason he left the Craft due to personal beliefs (he was trained as a Roman Catholic priest).

Originally posted by KSigMason

He was not a high-level Mason. Where do you get that? Right after was made a Master Mason he left the Craft due to personal beliefs (he was trained as a Roman Catholic priest).

Indeed. I've even heard it said that Levi was a 33° Scottish Rite Mason (he was not).

Levi was a third degree Master Mason only, and resigned a few weeks after he became a Master Mason to protest his Lodge's anti-Catholic stances.

Nevertheless, Levi was a brilliant symbolist, and his books are of greatest interest to esoteric Masons (and esoteric non-Masons, for that matter).

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you are all possessed by the devil, you all think abnormal since no one her was relating sex and seeing the meaning of the symbols. Baphomet is the air you breathe and rules the world with the sun's fire and the water of the sea, SEX SEA and SUN, that's paradise. Lets not forget his fan made with green leaves printed with faces of US presidents to complete. Eliphas Levy forgot something I think, or did I miss to see money in that picture hidden somewhere. I think the symbol needs some restoration here.

Originally posted by Trublue
reply to post by RuneSpider

 

Maybe not at the lower levels but I am pretty sure this is part of Mason worship.

I have seen it countless times.

Are you sure that only masons fool around in this world and worship the XXX culture, I am not a mason and I do as well.

At least, I am honest and do not hide it. The whole world depends from this symbol and abuses it and this symbol will become fatal to this planet.

That is the origin of over population and the reason why the Lord warned you all to eat from this tree with that forbidden fruits which taste so good.

Ooooooh yes, that fruits taste good, man

Sorry I was prisoner of my thoughts for a second, hahahaha







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Firstly, if this image was created in the 1800's as i had seen suggested or even earlier, was it commonplace for men to have circumcisions? Too my knowledge this is a fairly new practice, meaning that picture would most likely depict an uncircumcised phallus. Which doesn't really fit the picture.

It looks like a rod to me.

Also, I went to a freemasons lodge when I was younger, inquiring about their practices and how to join. Although they wouldn't tell me what they discuss or do, they did inform me that they do not welcome those that worship satan to join. They also told me I needed to have some sort of religious belief to join.

p.s. I never joined because I have no defined religion.

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Caduceus of hermis

it has been used by many different civilization

DNA
The Tree of life

many different names



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Originally posted by Trublue


Semiramis - The Wife of Nimrod
is also known under various aliases,

* Allilah or Allah
* Ariadne
* Astarte
* Cybele;
Goddess with the 12 stars;
celibacy is required of her priests
* Diane
* Ishtar; Babylonian sun-goddess
* Isis; Egyptian sun-goddess - who become Mary
* Laksjmi
* Lady Liberty
* Rhea; Goddess of the hunt
* Sin; the moongod(dess)
* Venus/Aphrodite (Goddess of Love) who was associated with Hermes.

all of you have some day to study what all those symbols and metaphors mean. You will find the same events, states of mind, ways of thinking and behave in all mythologies of all cultures of this globe. The kabbalistic source where they originate from depicts events and states of mind, be this perception, feeling, reasoning, acting and what ever it is in a clear way and the ancients replaced those with symbols, names of persons, gods and places to preserve the secrecy of the knowledge. Archeologic research seeks in the so called "holly land" for evidence since more the a few hundred years and find ... nothing. No exodus, no Jesus, no Galgahta hill, no this and no that. How could they do so, they search for states of mind depicted in symbols on places where they never existed or happened. They could save the way to go there since the place where all happened is sitting fixed on your shoulders filled with gray matter, you head. Note that the inner part of the head, where the brain takes place is called in hebrew Galghata.

And, when I read all people relate to, witches, devils, demons, Satan, Lucifer, Baphomet, it seems to me that many of those head smoke quiet a bit and some surely look like active volcanos.

Holy smoke, what a dumb world we live in, there's much to do, let's wait till it happens. I just feel it remains a dream.

Of course they worship Baphomet, just like the Knights Templar did, and the Assassins before them.

It wasn't invented in the 1800's, either.

I'm not sure if the masons on this board are actual lower level masons, or higher level thread hi-jackers of some sort.








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