In Support Of The Twin Towers Collapsing Due To Fire .

Quite false. There is nothing more that anyone has to do. We know why and how the towers collapsed. There is no mystery there.

Those of us that require actual numbers in our science are still waiting patiently for that "knowledge".

Prove me wrong if you disagree. You will be the first.

Originally posted by jprophet420

Quite false. There is nothing more that anyone has to do. We know why and how the towers collapsed. There is no mystery there.

Those of us that require actual numbers in our science are still waiting patiently for that "knowledge".

Prove me wrong if you disagree. You will be the first.

There is nothing that requires "proof". If you cannot refute NIST, then what do you intend to do?

Originally posted by jprophet420

Quite false. There is nothing more that anyone has to do. We know why and how the towers collapsed. There is no mystery there.

Those of us that require actual numbers in our science are still waiting patiently for that "knowledge".

Prove me wrong if you disagree. You will be the first.

First off no one knows how and why the towers collapsed. There are only theories expert testimony and investigations.

Secondly about the whole "prove me wrong" statement. Never going to happen. I don't even know what you are asking to be proven wrong about but I know it will never happen and i'm going to explain why.


"At some point, the nation, some may even come to believe the whole world, was taken over by people…these people are so powerful, they can make you believe just about anything that suits them. They even have the almost god-like power to change or even to erase history!... If you are one of the sheeple who must believe your programming, then do everyone a favor, and go back to sleep."

Source:www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is a mindset among people. I discussed the WTC attacks with someone of this midset. He didn't think that New York even existed on 9/11/2001. He thought the very existence of NYC was the conspiracy!!!

A. I know the the 9/11 attacks were 100% fake because New York City didn't even exist on 9/11/2001! Sheeple just believe the lies that are spoon feed to them. I challenge any of you sheeple to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that New York City existed 9/11/2001!

B. What about the millions of people who were there?

A. No one was there. It didn't even exist. The people alive today who claim to have been there are:
-part of the coverup to keep ignorant sheep like yourself who are unable to think for themselves happy with the system that has enslaved you.
-were brainwashed by the CIA, the NWO, the illuminati and similar orginizations to believe they were really there
Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. What about the hundreds of videos that were taken?

A. The videos were all fake. They were created within the top secret orginizations using top secret video editing technology that is not yet available to the public to create very convincing videos. Only people able to think for themselves are able to see through the LIES.
Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. What about the nasa videos and tapes and pictures of NYC and the thermal images?

A. Nasa is funded the the government who is all part of this coverup. If you were able to open your eyes for just one second and think for yourself you would realize that you're spreading the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001! Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. I have family in New York. My nephew was born in New York Hospital on 9/11/2001. I have the birth certificate and the names and the phone numbers of the doctors and the hospital staff that helped deliver the baby. I have the receipts from my aunt and uncle paying the medical bill and pictures of the hospital in my personal collection.

A. The birth certificate only shows that ink was put on paper. Birth certificates are official documents from city/state/federal officials. Any child with a social security number is processed by the same sytem which supports the same LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001. That is all part of the coverup. Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

The hospital staff and doctors are either part of the conspiracy or were brainwashed by the people responsible for the biggest lie in the history of the entire world. They were forced to lie or have their familes murdered. Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

The receipts only show that ink was put on paper. The ink and paper "claims" that money was paid to a hospital in NYC on 9/11/01. I can just as easily make a receipt that says those transactions never tookc place. Yet another example of fake evidence to support the LIES. How can you be so ignorant and to happily believe and spread the LIES. Your family was brainwashed into believing that the baby was delivered in a city that DID NOT EXIST! Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. What about the families of the people who died in NYC on that horrible day?

A. They are part of the coverup. They are brainwashed. They were paid to lie. Our government can print 92837592837 dollars on a whim. They were forced to lie or have their familes murdered. It's obvious that those that were unable to be brainwashed were paid 10 million dollars of freshly printed money to lie. Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. What about the people who don't have 10 million dollars who still say the same thing?

A. They are part of the coverup. They are brainwashed. The people who are able to fake the existence of millions and millions of people and one of the largest cities in the world can easily cover up the paper trail of the people they paid off. They were forced to lie or have their familes murdered. Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIE that NYC existed on 9/11/2001.

B. What about the flights going to NYC, the records of people traveling, the stamped passports, the people from other countries who have writen, video, and verbal evidence that debunks your theories

A. They are all fake and lies and smoke and mirrors to keep ignorant sheep like you happy with the lies you have been spoon fed by the government and companies and media (which is controlled and regulated by those same companies and government ). Only intelligent free thinking people like myself are able to see through the LIES and spread the TRUTH. Yet another failure of anyone to present one piece of evidence to support the LIES.

Good luck with being proven wrong. It will never happen. NEVER. I couldn't even prove to this guy that NYC even existed!!

[edit on 21-5-2010 by iamcpc]

reply to post by jprophet420


As long as someone can claim:

"At some point, the nation, some may even come to believe the whole world, was taken over by people…these people are so powerful, they can make you believe just about anything that suits them. They even have the almost god-like power to change or even to erase history!... If you are one of the sheeple who must believe your programming, then do everyone a favor, and go back to sleep."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You can only support what they believe. If they believe that humans are born with wings and can fly... then any evidence you give to them to refute their beliefs are instantly refuted with:

It's a lie and part of the almost god-like power of the people who took over this nation (or world) to change or even erase history. You are a sheeple unable to think for yourself.

Real intelligent discussion there.

reply to post by _BoneZ_




Whats up Bonez no reply re the JESUS visit to the USA yet ,so is DR Jones correct about THAT, whats up dont you want to be associated with DR Jones now!

If he can be so BADLY wrong about that CAN you trust anything he claims!

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

Whats up Bonez no reply re the JESUS visit to the USA yet ,so is DR Jones correct about THAT, whats up dont you want to be associated with DR Jones now!

If he can be so BADLY wrong about that CAN you trust anything he claims!

I believe that it is possible that the WTC towers collapsed from damage and fire.

I don't believe that you can discredit a source just because of his religion. Christians and catholics believe the earth is 6k years old and that we were magically created from dust. Someone can believe that and also be a physics professor.

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

Whats up Bonez no reply re the JESUS visit to the USA yet ,so is DR Jones correct about THAT, whats up dont you want to be associated with DR Jones now!

If he can be so BADLY wrong about that CAN you trust anything he claims!

I believe that it is possible that the WTC towers collapsed from damage and fire.

I don't believe that you can discredit a source just because of his religion. Christians and catholics believe the earth is 6k years old and that we were magically created from dust. Someone can believe that and also be a physics professor.

ITS nothing to do with religion if I said GENGHIS KHAN visited the USA what would you think of me.
Its JESUS the person thats out of place NOT what he represents now do you get what I mean.

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

Whats up Bonez no reply re the JESUS visit to the USA yet ,so is DR Jones correct about THAT, whats up dont you want to be associated with DR Jones now!

If he can be so BADLY wrong about that CAN you trust anything he claims!

I believe that it is possible that the WTC towers collapsed from damage and fire.

I don't believe that you can discredit a source just because of his religion. Christians and catholics believe the earth is 6k years old and that we were magically created from dust. Someone can believe that and also be a physics professor.

ITS nothing to do with religion if I said GENGHIS KHAN visited the USA what would you think of me.
Its JESUS the person thats out of place NOT what he represents now do you get what I mean.

A religion that can believe that all life on earth was held on a boat for 40 days and nights can also believe that jesus went to America. These forums are about 9/11 theories. Not about religious theories.

I didn't come here to talk about how retarded i think that some of the theories in religion are. Retarded religious theories have roughly NOTHING to do with the people who died on 9/11/2001. They have roughly NOTHING to do with the thoeries of what happened 9/11/2001 unless you believe that god caused the collapse of the WTC towers. (Some people believe that a group of people with god-like powers had something to do with it)

"At some point, the nation, some may even come to believe the whole world, was taken over by people…these people are so powerful, they can make you believe just about anything that suits them. They even have the almost god-like power to change or even to erase history!"

SOURCE: www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by okbmd


Molten steel was found at the site many days after the collapse.

Firefighters commented on it, rescue workers, port authority, etc etc.

Jet fuel will not liquefy steel and hold it in that state for days.

Kerosene lamps burn much the same fuel and do not melt or deform.

The video in my signature shows how the Architects and Engineers
for 911 truth found residue of nano thermite at the site as well.

When you do a little research into the ppl with Phds looking into
this event you will start to see things more clear.

Good Luck !



[edit on 21-5-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by okbmd

 

Molten steel was found at the site many days after the collapse.

Firefighters commented on it, rescue workers, port authority, etc etc.

Jet fuel will not liquefy steel and hold it in that state for days.

Kerosene lamps burn much the same fuel and do not melt or deform.

The video in my signature shows how the Architects and Engineers
for 911 truth found residue of nano thermite at the site as well.

When you do a little research into the ppl with Phds looking into
this event you will start to see things more clear.

Good Luck !



[edit on 21-5-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

The only slight flaw in that is that there is no proof anyone found any molten steel anywhere. Can you furnish any such proof ?

In the hypothetical circumstance that you can; how does nano-thermite keep steel molten for days ?

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

Whats up Bonez no reply re the JESUS visit to the USA yet ,so is DR Jones correct about THAT, whats up dont you want to be associated with DR Jones now!

If he can be so BADLY wrong about that CAN you trust anything he claims!

I believe that it is possible that the WTC towers collapsed from damage and fire.

I don't believe that you can discredit a source just because of his religion. Christians and catholics believe the earth is 6k years old and that we were magically created from dust. Someone can believe that and also be a physics professor.

ITS nothing to do with religion if I said GENGHIS KHAN visited the USA what would you think of me.
Its JESUS the person thats out of place NOT what he represents now do you get what I mean.

A religion that can believe that all life on earth was held on a boat for 40 days and nights can also believe that jesus went to America. These forums are about 9/11 theories. Not about religious theories.

I didn't come here to talk about how retarded i think that some of the theories in religion are. Retarded religious theories have roughly NOTHING to do with the people who died on 9/11/2001. They have roughly NOTHING to do with the thoeries of what happened 9/11/2001 unless you believe that god caused the collapse of the WTC towers. (Some people believe that a group of people with god-like powers had something to do with it)

"At some point, the nation, some may even come to believe the whole world, was taken over by people…these people are so powerful, they can make you believe just about anything that suits them. They even have the almost god-like power to change or even to erase history!"

SOURCE: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Listen first of all i THINK planes crashed into the towers caused structural damage ,this along with the fires caused further problems with the structure and that caused the collapse I have ALWAYS said that.

My COMMENTS re DR jONES ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ABOUT RELIGION its the fact that people claim his research on 911 proves controlled demolition the problems I see are, he was a physicist NOT a structural engineer AND if he can come up with a theory that Jesus somehow visited the USA can you really trust his judgement on anything IS that now SIMPLE enough for you!

Originally posted by wmd_2008
DR jONES ... was a physicist NOT a structural engineer AND if he can come up with a theory that Jesus somehow visited the USA can you really trust his judgement on anything IS that now SIMPLE enough for you!

Aren't all forms of Engineering really APPLIED PHYSICS?

Except the so called "software Engineering" and "Genetic Engineering".

Electrical Engineering is solid state physics.

A structural engineer should know the density of steel off the top of his head while a physicist probably would not. But a physiciste would understand what DENSITY IS.

Now the structural engineers had to make the towers hold themselves up against gravity and withstand the wind. So why haven't the physicists been demanding to know the distributions of steel and concrete in the towers for the last EIGHT YEARS.

Why should taxpayer's money go to pay physicists to research Black Holes if they can't explain how a skyscraper collapsed? Don't the people that study Black Holes know something about GRAVITY?

Where have the structural engineers specified the weight of a COMPLETE FLOOR ASSEMBLY? There were only 84 of them in each tower. The other technical floors were even heavier. Playing this expertise game with Newtonian Physics that grade school kids should be able to understand is ridiculous.

www.youtube.com...

psik.

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by wmd_2008
DR jONES ... was a physicist NOT a structural engineer AND if he can come up with a theory that Jesus somehow visited the USA can you really trust his judgement on anything IS that now SIMPLE enough for you!

Aren't all forms of Engineering really APPLIED PHYSICS?

Except the so called "software Engineering" and "Genetic Engineering".

Electrical Engineering is solid state physics.

A structural engineer should know the density of steel off the top of his head while a physicist probably would not. But a physiciste would understand what DENSITY IS.

Now the structural engineers had to make the towers hold themselves up against gravity and withstand the wind. So why haven't the physicists been demanding to know the distributions of steel and concrete in the towers for the last EIGHT YEARS.

Why should taxpayer's money go to pay physicists to research Black Holes if they can't explain how a skyscraper collapsed? Don't the people that study Black Holes know something about GRAVITY?

Where have the structural engineers specified the weight of a COMPLETE FLOOR ASSEMBLY? There were only 84 of them in each tower. The other technical floors were even heavier. Playing this expertise game with Newtonian Physics that grade school kids should be able to understand is ridiculous.

www.youtube.com...

psik.

Do a quick internet search on what fields PHYSICISTS STUDY and compare those to STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING they are VERY DIFFERENT, Dr Jones was a physicist with NO structral design background he is not the best person to comment on the collapse and if he thinks Jesus somehow made a visit to the USA is he the kind of person you would rely on!

Physicists are the ideal person to study black holes re the twin towers structural engineers are best not physicists and NOT architects!

Firstly, what some guy speculates about Jesus is neither here nor there, and has no basis whatsoever on the argument about the tower collapse.

Its a strawman design to obfuscate and ridicule. Its nothing to do with 9/11 and its a waste of time.


I'm seeing some bold claims made by both sides here. I'll reiterate my point as a Civil Engineer of 24 years experience, NO ONE, not even NIST, knows exactly what happened to that building.

No one.

It is possible to model a collapse based on ideal data. But that is all. You cannot model in 30 years worth of useage. You cannot model in human error in the welds. You cannot model in brittleness in some of the components that would not fail under normal circumstances. Likewise, you cannot model beams that exceed their likely fail limit, causing more stress on the beams around them as far as load transferance goes.

Unless you have strain gauges and high speed video on each of the structural components involved, and a metallurgy study of the components you don't know when they failed and what the quality of the component was.

You can make an educated theory about what might have happened, and thats what NIST's report is. Its a best case theory, based on visual data and the information from when the towers were built assuming a certain quality of workmanship. But...it IS a theory.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Do a quick internet search on what fields PHYSICISTS STUDY and compare those to STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING they are VERY DIFFERENT, Dr Jones was a physicist with NO structral design background he is not the best person to comment on the collapse and if he thinks Jesus somehow made a visit to the USA is he the kind of person you would rely on!

Physicists are the ideal person to study black holes re the twin towers structural engineers are best not physicists and NOT architects!

If the structural engineers were interested in SOLVING THE PROBLEM it would have been solved in SIX MONTHS.

But after EIGHT YEARS can you find the weight of a COMPLETE FLOOR ASSEMBLY?

You know those 205 foot square concrete slabs that were poured on corrugated pans supported by 35 and 60 foot trusses. People have spent years talking about whether or not they pancaked. Try finding a LINK to a specification in tons or kilograms to what one weighed. There were 84 in each tower.

People don't want this SOLVED they want it obfuscated forever. It is ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours. Why aren't the structural engineers telling us the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level? Is the conservation of momentum too difficult for physicists to understand?

Ther transistor was invented 16 years after the Empire State Building was completed. Do you think the physics of skyscrapers is too difficult for electrical engineers to understand. Experts just don't want to express the relevant information in a manner simple enough for laymen to understand. Laymen are supposed to be kept ignorant and confused so the experts can pretend to be intelligent.

Bazant with his rubbish about the top block remaining intact while crushing the lower portion should have been laughed at eight years ago.

www.youtube.com...

psik

Originally posted by neformore
It is possible to model a collapse based on ideal data. But that is all. You cannot model in 30 years worth of useage. You cannot model in human error in the welds. You cannot model in brittleness in some of the components that would not fail under normal circumstances. Likewise, you cannot model beams that exceed their likely fail limit, causing more stress on the beams around them as far as load transferance goes.

Unless you have strain gauges and high speed video on each of the structural components involved, and a metallurgy study of the components you don't know when they failed and what the quality of the component was.

Don't you HAVE TO MODEL the correct distributions of steel and concrete?

Doesn't that mean that without that data being correct that any model is WRONG?

So is there some reason why that information should not be correct and available after EIGHT YEARS? Shouldn't ALL OF THE ENGINEERS have been demanding it for years?

psik

[edit on 22-5-2010 by psikeyhackr]

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by wmd_2008

It is ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours.

psik

When you say that do you have an expert source to back it up or is that your 100% un-expert opinion?

Allow me to present you with some experts who disagree with that theory.

John E. Fernandez
Assistant professor of archiecture building tech program MIT

Eduardo Kausel
Professor of civil & environmental engineering MIT

Tomasz Wierzbicki
professor of applied mechanics MIT

Liang Xue
Ph.D. Candidate of Ocean Engineering MIT

Meg Hendry-Brogan
Undergraduate stuid of ocean engineering MIT

Ahmed Ghoniem
professor of mechanical engineering MIT

Oral Buyukozturk
Professor of civil & environmental engineering MIT

franz-josef ulm, esther and harold edgerton
associate professor of civil & environmental engineering MIT

Yossi sheffi
Professor of civil & environmental engineering MIT

SOURCE:web.mit.edu...

"Yet, we do believe that the primary damage suffered by the South Tower via the initial impactalone was severe enough to bring it down with very little outside help."

So not one ENGINEERING expert, or two, or three but a TEAM of experts disagree with that statement.

McCormick Institute Professor and Walter P. Murphy Professor of Civil Engineering and Materials Science.

mathieu verdure from ecole polytechnique

www.civil.northwestern.edu...

Another team of experts who disagree with that statement.



Clearly the team of professors at MIT who did an independant investigation into the collapse of the WTC towers are "ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours".

Or maybe the expert source that told you that "It is ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours" was
ridiculous to think that a 200 ton airline could NOT destoy a building that big in less than 2 hours?

[edit on 25-5-2010 by iamcpc]

[edit on 25-5-2010 by iamcpc]

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

It is ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours.

psik

When you say that do you have an expert source to back it up or is that your 100% un-expert opinion?

Allow me to present you with some experts who disagree with that theory.

So provide us with a link to where any of those EXPERTS provided you with a table of data on the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of WTC 1 or 2.

Do you need a degree in physics to understand that skyscrapers must hold themselves up? Do you need a degree in structural engineering to comprehend that skyscrapers must withstand the wind? Are kinetic energy and the conservation of momentum too difficult for you to understand? Do you need an EXPERT to wipe your behind for you.

Look at the Purdue simulation of the north tower impact and explain why the core columns don't move as a result of the impact. We have too many dummies that won't think for themselves about grade school physics but will listen to EXPERTS talk idiotic drivel.

This is not just happening with skyscrapers though. Have you ever noticed that cars wear out? Doesn't that mean cars DEPRECIATE? But what is the ANNUAL DEPRECIATION of all of the automobiles on the planet? With all of the economists that appear on television regularly have you ever heard that question raised? Don't the cars get added to GDP for every country? So why no mention of their depreciation?

That should help teach you to trust EXPERTS.

Try finding the weight of a complete floor assembly. You know those things that some experts say pancaked and some experts say did not pancake. And then no expert knows what one weighed. ROFL

Shouldn't we have heard that a lot in EIGHT YEARS? From lots of different EXPERTS?

www.youtube.com...

Here is the model from the EXPERTS at MIT:

video.google.com...

Now even if the floor assemblies fell the perimeter columns of the WTC would have been connected horizontally by spandrels and there was still the core to prevent twisting like that model did. So these EXPERTS dish out BS and expect dummies to not notice how ridiculous it is.

psik

reply to post by psikeyhackr


Do you NEED an expert to TELL YOU that toothpicks and washers are NOT an accurate representation on the towers either.

Yes a tower is designed to hold its own weight,wind loads other static and dynamic loads.

Do you know that metal fixings tend to have a factor of safety of around 3 when loads are taken into consideraration DO you think the fixings could have resisited ALL the mass from the floors above falling on them ie MANY FLOORS NO!



[edit on 25-5-2010 by wmd_2008]

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by iamcpc

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

It is ridiculous to think a 200 tons airliner could destroy a building that big in less than 2 hours.

psik

When you say that do you have an expert source to back it up or is that your 100% un-expert opinion?

Allow me to present you with some experts who disagree with that theory.

1.So provide us with a link to where any of those EXPERTS provided you with a table of data on the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of WTC 1 or 2.

2. Do you need a degree in physics to understand that skyscrapers must hold themselves up?
3. Do you need a degree in structural engineering to comprehend that skyscrapers must withstand the wind?
4. Are kinetic energy and the conservation of momentum too difficult for you to understand?
5. Do you need an EXPERT to wipe your behind for you.

6. Look at the Purdue simulation of the north tower impact and explain why the core columns don't move as a result of the impact.

7. We have too many dummies that won't think for themselves about grade school physics but will listen to EXPERTS talk idiotic drivel.

8. Have you ever noticed that cars wear out?
9. Doesn't that mean cars DEPRECIATE?
10. But what is the ANNUAL DEPRECIATION of all of the automobiles on the planet?
11. With all of the economists that appear on television regularly have you ever heard that question raised?
12. Don't the cars get added to GDP for every country?
13. So why no mention of their depreciation?

14. That should help teach you to trust EXPERTS.

15. Try finding the weight of a complete floor assembly. You know those things that some experts say pancaked and some experts say did not pancake. And then no expert knows what one weighed. ROFL

16. Now even if the floor assemblies fell the perimeter columns of the WTC would have been connected horizontally by spandrels and there was still the core to prevent twisting like that model did. So these EXPERTS dish out BS and expect dummies to not notice how ridiculous it is.

psik

1. www.journalof911studies.com...
I laughed at how easy this was to find. It even cites it's sources. Something you have yet to do.

2. no (my 100% un-expert opinion)

3. no (my 100% un-expert opinion)

4. no (my 100% un-expert opinion)

5. yes (I am an expert at wiping my own butt)

6. You should not be looking for someone to explain to you why core columns didn't move on the ATS forums. Try asking the team at Perdue.

7. We have too many dummies that won't think for themselves about grade school physics but will listen to 100% non-experts talk idiotic drivel. We have too many dummies who do think for themselves and, without being educated, and spread un-expert opinions and theories without a source to back them up.

8. yes

9. yes (my 100% un-expert opinion)

10. I don't know

11. no (my 100% un-expert opinion)

12. Kind of

13. because GDP= C + Inv +G + (eX-I)
(SOURCE: economics professor but i'll still cite a source for people on the WTC forum to read about the GDP forumla which has NOTHING to do the WTC collapse)
SOURCE en.wikipedia.org...

14. wow you actually used the example of economists not talking about the decreasing value of cars in refrence to GDP as a reason to not trust experts. Wow. You really should take a college economics class. I thought it was pretty fun.

15. see response to number 1.

16. do you have a source that said that experts are dishing out BS or is that your 100% un-expert opinion?


I come here to find out what people who actually know something think. I didn't come here to hear someones 100% un-expert opinion and questions about the ever decreasing value of a car and be pointed out examples how how un-expert people are in terms of college economics 101.

So please cite your source or leave your 100% un-expert opinion out of this. On and for that mattter leave my 100% un-expert opinion out of this too!



[edit on 25-5-2010 by iamcpc]