98 ATS members and Counting...Australia "Out of Place"

Originally posted by Snowi

Originally posted by mellisamouse

whole world may have been sort of MIB erased and re written.....

That sounds more realistic than a timeshift...

What if the whole world population has been under some kind of mind manipulation, but it did not work 100% on some of the population.
Glitches in the imprint...?

That doesn't explain people being different. I have a close relative who I don't even recognize anymore. She's a completely different person than the one I always knew. Night and day difference. Extreme. So different like I can't even believe she's my relative because her value system is against anything we'd been raised. I no longer know this person. It's bizarre.

I was in shock to "discover" the Pope has been in power five years now. Really?!?! Like some of you, I agree that this current one has only been in power for a couple of years. I also thought Leonard Nemoy had died. I just saw him on something the other day and was shocked to see him.

In America in the 80s, Crocodile Dundee was huge where I lived. We all walked around imitating Australian accents. We checked it out on a map and were amazed by how far it was from anything. In history class, we were told the English sent criminals there because the land was so isolated in the middle of the ocean that it made it virtually impossible for anyone to escape. It was OUT THERE, REMOTE. As a kid, I played the game Risk for hours. Even on that board game, Australia was off by itself. In other words, I had a keen interest in Australia. The current location is not where I have always know Australia to be.

When I saw the thread about the map, the thread was like a trigger, the big Ah Ha moment. I was shocked and discomforted to discover Australia in a different location.

For all of the naysayers on this thread, the OP and others like myself who remember the world map looking quite different are not looking for a debate. We are trying to figure this thing out.

What is it we all have in common?

1. We remember the world map differently.
2. We remember some famous people have already died and are shocked to find they are still alive.
3. We remember some political events differently.
4. We are all on different continents, not just the U.S.
5. We are varying ages and sexes. (I don't know what the youngest age is, though.)
6. Some people close to us act completely different, out of character.

What else do we have in common? Have we all had alien encounters? Do we all have military people in our family tree? Are we all hearing a voice? Do we have unique abilities?

Originally posted by demonseed

Originally posted by mellisamouse
reply to post by IntastellaBurst

 

ok, we have ALL been studying austrailia and new zealand more than ever lately, and OMG

It has totaly changed again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like in the last few weeks........ now New Zealand is WAYYYYY too far away, a completeley different shape....... a mere sliver compared to what it was...

Some of you must rember from a few weeks ago, New zealand was way up close to Austrailia, and WAY bigger.... not some little sliver down at the bottom, and even THAT last way was wrong as the jump before that with the somoa quake, New Zeland was on the completely other side!!!!

I am beyond baffled.....

omg your right....

wasnt papa new guinea to the northwest of australia? now its slightly Northeast... it also looks completely different.

Indonesia looks like it got sliced in half.

What the heck happened? This is REALLY weird!

Originally posted by burdenofdreams
OK, I had to create an account just to comment on this. First of all: sorry for what may seem like weird vagueness, I try to remain as anonymous as possible online, which is hopefully just paranoia. So, here's my weird story: I've always taken an interest in Australia and NZ, as some of my favorite films come from this region, and I was always an A student in geography. One of my favorite gifts as a kid was a globe, which my siblings and I used all the time for games we made up. My favorite reading material was National Geographic - ancient civilizations, animals around the world, etc. My siblings and I were all in GATE classes (like Honors classes for grade school). Straight A's through college graduation. Anyways...

Yesterday an opportunity came up for me to travel to Oz and NZ this winter, and I went to look at a map of airports there to try to plan a trip...and the map I saw was COMPLETELY, UNNERVINGLY WRONG. Not like, "wow, I thought NZ was northeast of Oz and closer to it, guess my memory's going" -- I was so CERTAIN it was that I immediately looked at another map, and was completely baffled. My traveling partner had the same reaction!

Then, later the SAME NIGHT I came to ATS to look for threads about the BP spill, and under recent threads I found this one. And it spooked me so much that I asked my mother and siblings where Oz and NZ are in relation to each other (w/o telling why I was asking). My mother and 1 sibling said w/o hesitation that NZ was NE of Oz, while the other sibling correctly said it was SE. (So much for my theory that our made-in-China globe was some sort of communist trick on us).

It's really strange that we're all so CERTAIN of things being different (my mother, 1 sibling, travel partner, and I). Everything else about the current map of the world looks fine, it's just this region that's off (Oz should also be further than PNG, in my vivid memory of my globe, plus past maps, geog quizzes, etc).

I don't think this has anything to do with a time shift, because, as some have pointed out, other things would be changed drastically as well. And then there's the climate of NZ. It's just this vivid picture in my mind of the geography in this area of the world that doesn't match up. It seems clear this is a false memory. BUT...

For so many people to have the same false memory, and be so certain of it, and realize around the same time that it is wrong -- that's what spooks me. Did you know that specific false memories can be implanted by using light signals? Or during hypnosis? Or via subliminal messages (visual or aural)? Or psychotropics?

Consider this: Implanting a false memory that turns out not to be true is a good way to A) make a person doubt other memories that may be real, and B) make other people think this person is delusional.

If anything, this sounds more like a psychological experiment on unwitting human test subjects than a timeline shift. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. Here's a question: is there something that we all have in common? (That is, people who remember NZ and Australia being in different places - esp. those who recall NZ in the northeast).

Of course it could all be coincidence, but it is a rather peculiar coincidence.

burdenofdreams, I'd give you FIVE stars if I could! Yes, EXCELLENT point. A and B make a whole lot of sense. Great points! It still doesn't account for the number of things we find different, though. Thanks for the alternate theory!

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Waiting2]

I don't think it's a timeline shift at all. I just think that the location and shape of the lands NZ and Australia are in such way, that we falsely think they're located differently. I said it, and will say it again: I think it's memory distortion combined with a touch of mass hysteria, baked in apparently very delicious cookies everyone's willing to eat

Hi, I'm from Australia born and bred, and from everything I was taught at school is that the only thing between Aus and PNG is a small mass of water; not very wide at all.

Here is a link to a PDF file including a Picture Map and official sea boundaries by the Australian Government. (so this is correct, looks different from all of those maps in the first post)
Online Viewable PDF file MARTFBAAIITASATS

Then again, it could have moved slightly due to continental drifts... saying that I still wouldn't want to get in a boat and row to PNG

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Super Chubby]

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Super Chubby]

One Bomb on Japan. Just one.

reply to post by Waiting2


Why is it so hard for some people to admit that they are/ were wrong? If you are reading this post and are still saying " No, I'm never wrong", you have a big psychological problem. Everyone is wrong sometimes. If you can admit to yourself you are sometimes wrong and you don't know everything then it should be so much clearer to you why this thread is ridiculous. I have no doubt that many people who are claiming these 'time-shifts' are just having a laugh because (straight up)
moving continents due to a time shift makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL.

This Thread is wrong. Australia is still where it has always been; even if there has been some drifting, it would be so minute it wouldn't be noticable in our lifetime.

In America in the 80s, Crocodile Dundee was huge where I lived. We all walked around imitating Australian accents.

We don't sound or talk anything like how we are portrayed in the movies But it does give me a laugh to see how Americans see us.

Has it ever occured that maybe the maps you were shown are incorrect?

I remember maps in my school showing England being half the size of Australia.

On the flip side:
I do recall a tv show once saying that we (Aus) drift north by 8cm every year. But over a period of 30 years this only equates to a 240cm continental drift.
No doubt all Islands & continents experience drifts given the earth is always changing.

Sorry i havent read much of the posts on this thread, so if someone has already discussed this then oops

Did someone already provide evidence by means of Latitude & longitude comparisons? Is this possible?

I'll go and read the entire thread now.

Not remembering something correctly is one thing, but knowing something is one way your entire life and then being told you are wrong and have a bad memory just doesnt cut it for me, sorry.

reply to post by demonseed


People have said exactly this to you yet you expect an entire population to just disregard what they have always known and replace it with your own "reality"? Why.. because you have some sort of second sight that allows you to see into other dimensions and we do not? THAT doesn't cut it for me and regardless of the size of your ego, your testimony is certainly not more valid than ours.





[edit on 15-7-2010 by riley]

reply to post by Mumbotron


I think the theory is that some people think that they've popped into another reality that is similar to their own, but different.

I remember reading a thread about this years ago. I told my wife, and we had a good laugh. Then we saw a commercial that said Turkey Hill was the number one lemonade in America. We were like, "what the heck is Turkey Hill". We figured we went into another dimension(jokingly).


I shouldn't joke. I really don't know enough about theoretical physics to say that this is or isn't an impossibility.

C is the correct one.

C has Aust and NZ correct in relation to each other but NONE
have Aust and NG correctly alligned, 98 morons and counting!!!

I was born and raised in Australia, and I still live here today. I am going to answer C as how I know and remember Australia's position.
I remember in school being taught that Torres Strait, the 'gap' between the top of the Cape York peninsula in Queensland(mainland Australia's most northern point) and the closest point of Papua New Guinea is smaller than Bass Strait, which is the 'gap' between Wilson's Promontory in Victoria(mainland Australia's most southern point) and Devonport in Tasmania.

reply to post by Waiting2


I KNOW Austrailia had the reputation as being SOOOOO far away and isolated, so they sent all the prisoners there.

Does it still have that repution?

Has this changed as well???

i know nothing about the position of australia becouse i did not know enoegh georgaphy (sorry for the spelling)

but right now i am watching discovery channal (18-07-2010 12:22u) (raging planet)
and its a show about vulcano eruptions and they are talking about a huge vulcano eruption in my life time (was not paying enoegh attention to hear the name of the vulcano) and that eruption shot a ash cloud about 30km in the air into the stratosfeer
making night out of day in the imediate area but not only that

the ash traveld around the entire world some places where ash landen the ash layer was 180 cm thick of some even thicker anyway evrywhere was ash

now heres the thing i do not remember any of this nor have i ever heard any storys about it so was i living in a different reality when that happend or was it before i was born if anyone knows more about this eruption id like to know

thank you

i was born in 1988

reply to post by mellisamouse

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

Well no-one in my "timeline" thinks this, so could we have some more facts as you see it please, like for example the date you heard the news, the tv channel, internet site you heard the information on, the newspaper you read etc the actual number of your friends or associates that believe this (it would be great if you could convince them to come onto ATS and corroborate this)

Nelson Mandela has always been alive in my timeline and I remember events like his 70th birthday event in 1988 where Artists Against Apartheid got to together for a tribute and where the legendary "Free Nelson Mandela" was performed, of course Amy Winehouse managed to trump that in 2008 at Nelson's 90th by changing the lyrics to "Free Blakey my fella" in reference to her then jailed husband!

I also remember him being freed in 1990 and although he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2001 he is still very much alive. One of his sons died though in 2005 but he wasn't killed he died of an aids/hiv related illness.

So as I have provided evidence of his continued life, I would appreciate it if you could give me some solid evidence of why you think he died.

Thanks

Perhaps you could answer my previous questions Posted above) prior to launching into, yet another, unsubstantiated personal perception of events.

Quite apart from the fact that the average Australian would probably be quite offended to think that their country was still a dumping ground for convicts, a little reading about the history of Australia and it's discovery and subsequent colonisation may help you to understand that it was not the alleged "isolated"location of Australia that transformed it into a penal colony, but the British Empire's desire for expansion into new territories, and the issue of what to do about the overcrowded prison system in Britain and the fact that people were being executed for stealing a loaf of bread (as there was no room in prisons) so it seemed ideal (and far more humane!) to send them out to the newly discovered lands to become slave labour to build roads/railways etc!

A simple google search can turn up this info, try it!

Peace

reply to post by Mayson


That isn't a theory. It's a hypothesis and a very weak one at best. Holding an incorrect belief for an extended period of time doesn't make it any more true or real. Imagine all of those people who thought the world was flat for their whole lives. Do you think they were from another dimension too?, .... or just ignorant?