New Evidence suggests there was no ash cloud over Europe!

reply to post by Essan
Why is there any liability for airlines, at all? ? I would think this would come under the set 'Act of God'. And we should legislate a recognition of athiest relgious views, and allow them to go ahead and pay anyways...

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by spikey

 

There was an eruption, no doubt. But it didn't spew that much that whole Northern Europe was covered with it. Most of that part of Europe had clear blue skies. The volcano is also too far away to pose a real threat.

That may be what some folk want you to believe.

But I don't believe the media. I don't believe the politicians. I trust my own observations and that of many, many friends throughout the UK.

Ill tell you what i know about that in germany.

The german government didnt have any self produced data so they were relying on the data given by the british and because they didnt know about the validity, they made such a buzz about the ash cloud.
T
hat was their excuse/reason.

They said most of europe got its info from the british institute that produced the global warming scam, so i am not surprised to read whats in the OP.

Greets

I got lots of dusty ash here in Belgium.

Here's a link to some pictures of the volcano and results of its eruption.

www.boston.com...

reply to post by Regenstorm


You wanna come to my neck of the woods. I live as about as far south in England as you can get and all the cars including my one has a fine layer of ash on it.

You dont need fancy satelites when a ''Mk 1 eyeball'' is good enough!



[edit on 26/4/10 by Wotan]

I beg to differ about the "no ash over Europe" article. Over the course of a week, I had to wash my motorcycle (and car) twice because of it. Not that there were great amounts, but enough to be seen and make them look dirty.

Secondly, a couple of Norwegian airplanes had to emergency land because of the dust getting into the engines and past various air filters. Even an F-16 had to emergency land due to damage to it's engines.

Of course, this isn't the U.K., however we're only a couple of hours apart.



Peace,
FK

reply to post by Wotan


Wanna bet that that dust doesn't contain more than 5-10% ash? The rest is local dust and pollen. It's springtime, lots of blossoms, pollen and farmers plowing their acres.

Here in Northern Europe we also have to deal with sand from the Sahara which gets airborn in Northern Africa and comes down on us. If you have a dark car, it will have lots of yellow spots after the sand comes down with the rain.
Doesn't that endanger the planes as well?
Here is an great example what desert sand and wind can do:
gallery.photo.net...

[edit on 26-4-2010 by Regenstorm]

I had ash on my car here, very, very light stuff, not road dirt. NATS was pretty brave to stick to their guns for so long, and in everybody's interests. there is an election on let's not forget, and the Daily Mail is a conservative voice. No offence to the OP in a well intended post. let's not forget also that military jets were stood down after having problems, I presume they were mostly single engined, but the perils there are obvious although no different ultimately.

[edit on 26-4-2010 by smurfy]

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by Wotan

 

Wanna bet that that dust doesn't contain more than 5-10% ash? The rest is local dust and pollen. It's springtime, lots of blossoms, pollen and farmers plowing their acres.

Here in Northern Europe we also have to deal with sand from the Sahara which gets airborn in Northern Africa and comes down on us. If you have a dark car, it will have lots of yellow spots after the sand comes down with the rain.
Doesn't that endanger the planes as well?
Here is an great example what desert sand and wind can do:
gallery.photo.net...

[edit on 26-4-2010 by Regenstorm]

Desert sand is not like the volcanic ash, it's the immediacy of the melting point that is significant, in which volcanic ash is far lower than sand, and in which sand will not melt in a jet engine...so far? to be sure sand is a pest that will damage engines, but not neccesarily shut them down.

reply to post by JewelFlip


Agreed.
For once they acted responsibly, and the corporations are livid about it.
Bonza result.

there was ash on my white front door there is no doubt about it

I live on the North East of Ireland and my car was covered in a very fine powdery residue, and it wasn't chemtrail dust

Its obvious that the Volcanic ash spread all over Europe. The clouds where also very very dirty looking. Did I mention that my country had like 2-3 days of really unusually hot weather, it was fantastic! All that ash had made the clouds so heavy that they must have fell back to Earth with very little moisture. After those 3 hot days, no clouds or rain for 2 days, then BANG seriously unusual heavy rain that only lasted 10 minutes.

I think its obvious that the ash really did go over my country and the rest of Europe. Besides, even before the eruption, back in March; the volcano had been spitting out lava and molten hot magma for weeks/months etc. It was bound to happen. No conspiracy here, I was actually thinking that they lifted the air-ban too early and in a few months from now planes will be dropping out of the sky due to lack of inspection.

reply to post by Essan



Ok I stand corrected on the volcanic ash stuff......I know there was some concern for the ash but I think the elite went a bit bananas. The problem these days is.....Who do u trust? We can't trust the elite. Because we all know they are just a nest of scheming, child molesting, murdering ba*tards that want to see us die so they can get World Domination.

Can we trust the airlines? Yes and No. They lost a heap of money in this. Was this our pedo elite trying to crash (Excuse The Pun) the financial reserves of the airlines? Make them go bankrupt so they can take them over? In these current times you can never be sure.

Reply to post by Unity_99

And then you have people like yhis posting.

Airlines have lawyers and they will sue if they think their is a chance of compensation. Why not? Their was ash period. many reported ash on their cars and such. Please people turn this sites downward spiraling reputation around and think logically.


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(middle of sweden)
we had som hail and snow for a short period of time last week which might be a result of the Islandic volcano.

reply to post by smurfy


No reason to ground propeller driven planes and gliders as I stated many times in the various threads about this subject. Many critics and debunkers here on ATS claimed that the ash would sandblast the windows of Cessna's and similar planes. The picture I provided proves that sand can do this as well. So why aren't planes grounded when there is desert sand in the air (which happens very often)?

reply to post by yellow.sapphirine


What a load of Bull!!

I said last qweek in a few threads that there was no need to shut down the Airspace over the whole of England and in most other parts of Europe... i thought that there was some ulteria motive for this shutdown... maybe it was some kind of practice for when the World comes to halt over the next War... who knows?

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reply to post by Regenstorm


Mate, the ash is spread thinly in the higher atmosphere, all you would see from the ground is perhaps a red glow on the horizon at sunset, due to the particulates.

You are not going to see great, billowing clouds of ash traveling along like great rainclouds or something like that.

The ash particles themselves vary in size and shape, from fairly coarse, to very fine, talcum powder like. Their shape is varied too, from tiny round spheroids, to tiny and irregular but very sharp, knife-like shapes. BTW, it's these tiny sharp particles that cause damage to our respiratory tracts, by literally slicing up our lung linings and bronchial airways, on a very small scale. If you breath enough of the stuff, you'll start to develop lung conditions and ultimately start coughing up blood. Not a pretty thought.

The reason why this ash 'cloud' (layer would probably be a better description) is dangerous to jet aircraft, is by nature of their operation, jet engines do not have filters that can catch these fine particles, like small propeller engined aircraft do (helicopters too).

Combined with the speed and height jet's fly at, this fine ash layer/cloud makes for a sandblasting, or shot-blasting effect, directly on the turbine blades, which effectively erodes, pits and wears them away, weakening them.

The ash, being volcanic in nature contains minerals which when subjected to the high temperatures present inside a jet engine, actually melts into a hard glass like material, which coats the inside s of the engines restricting their operation.

Add this effect with the wearing down and pitting the turbine blades, and you get something you would certainly not want, if you were traveling on an jet, or indeed living under the flight path of one.

The reason we are seeing all the propaganda about whether an ash cloud is dangerous to commercial jets or even if there ever was an ash cloud (absurd theory, considering the volcano is actually erupting!), is one of money.

Money is being lost hand over fist, due to flights being grounded and the operators and their cronies would rather take the risk with their passengers lives, and the lives of the people in the aircraft flight paths, than lose any more of what they consider much more important...dirty filthy loot.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Blown sand has typically a higher density that volcanic ash, and so will settle to the ground much faster.

Try it yourself...grab a handful of sand and a handful of talcum powder, throw them both into the air and observe what happens.

Simple really mate.

And for the record, i have been alive for a lot of spring times and so have many other member here reading, so you don't really have to tell us what can accumulate on our vehicles and property at this time of year. We know this, we also know when the accumulations of crud is much higher than usual, even for different times of the year, and different weather conditions, and it is much higher than usual.

That together with the undeniable FACT that an Icelandic volcano is erupting and throwing out great quantities of ash, makes any sane and logical person come to the inevitable conclusion that the higher concentrations of deposits of fine particles all over our properties and cars is as a result of this erupting volcano dumping particulates into the atmosphere, which is slowing precipitating and falling over our stuff.

Come on..use your head mate, there's no conspiracy here, apart from the disinfo conspiracy put out by the airlines because they are crapping themselves at losing more money.