Ascension? What does it reallly mean?

For those who believe the earth and its peoples are on the verge of mass ascension I have some questions.

Let me first say this is a subject that I find fascinating. I am still "on the fence" about my own beliefs and how they relate to mass ascension. That being said on to the questions.

1) Is it possible to ascend to a higher frequency while still in a 3D physically manifested body? If not wouldn't this mean that your physical body must "die" before you can achieve ascension?

2) Is Earth itself changing vibrational frequencies or does a physical manifestation of the Earth already exist in the 4th dimension waiting for people to ascend?

3) What happens to the "new" souls who are just beginning their incarnations in the 3rd dimension? Do they stay on this Earth? If the Earth's physical 3D manifestation moves into the waiting 4th dimension where do these 3D souls go to continue their own journey's?

I am interested in your responses ATS. (Mods., feel free to move this thread if I have posted it on the wrong board. Thanks.)

i will answer your questions from my understanding of ascension.
1. i believe it is possible, ever more so as we approach 2012...i think it has not been done much in the past (at least on on a mass scale, or mainstreamed) except for figures maybe like buddha and jesus...they showed us the way to ascension and theoretically achieved this while still in physical form. i think for many the prevailing thought is that one must keep a vibration "til death" and then one may possibly ascend...except as i said, as 2012 approaches this will be less necessary.
2. the earth is ascending THIS time. though in harvest times past the earth has not ascended also, this is what makes this time so very special. and so those who are ascending will stay with THIS earth...
3. and those newer souls not ready to ascend to the 4d will likely have an intense spiritual experience and yet the veil of forgetfulness will be pulled over their awareness once more while they continue their journey on a *new* earth...they will not notice the difference, however.

1. I believe it is possible. In a 3D body, you are limited in that it is very hard to get the the higher vibrational densities, but not impossible. Much of my life (more-so lately with the influx of energies) i live in a higher perspective. When i see a tree, i no longer see just a tree. I see the fractal of life...

As for being in a 3D body, i do believe it will be necessary to shed the body. BUT, most people ascending have double bodies, the 3D physical body, and a 5D body (made out of light). If you suddenly die now, chances are you'd find yourself in an Astral body, which you can shed and move to the lightbody. The good thing about the lightbody is that its very thin and fine. You can walk through walls, but are physical to the touch. The analogy i use as for the 2012 ascension is that its like we are moving from Windows 98 to Windows 7. Right now, our needs are not met by Windows 98, which is obsolete and falling apart. In 2012, we will move to Windows 7, which we would need better hardware for (lightbodies). Hope that helps...

2. As of right now, 4D earth exists in our internal reality, and is in the process of being anchored to our world, but it likely already exists in higher realms, just isn't inhabited yet. Both answers seem correct from my research...

3. From what i have heard, they will be raised by higher beings and given the choice to ascend. Most of them have come here just to give a boost to the vibration of earth and most know they may not 'survive' in this 3D world. But, higher beings will protect those who are under their age (atleast 13) and cannot make choices yet.

Originally posted by double_frick
2. the earth is ascending THIS time. though in harvest times past the earth has not ascended also, this is what makes this time so very special. and so those who are ascending will stay with THIS earth...

What i wonder is that if 4D will be an entirely new environment with new laws of physics or just peace. I mean world peace yay!, although it sounds kind of boring. Not that i want conflict, its just that this entire dimension seems really boring.

Originally posted by mossme89

Originally posted by double_frick
2. the earth is ascending THIS time. though in harvest times past the earth has not ascended also, this is what makes this time so very special. and so those who are ascending will stay with THIS earth...

What i wonder is that if 4D will be an entirely new environment with new laws of physics or just peace. I mean world peace yay!, although it sounds kind of boring. Not that i want conflict, its just that this entire dimension seems really boring.

i think what we will lack in conflict we will more than make up for in new discoveries, both in ourselves and our abilities and in our new outer world complete with new physical laws.
though i'm not sure of the condition of earth will be, just that those who ascend will be with her!

great idea mossme, i think to ascend it may be harder for those to do so with buddah or jesus in mind though, i am looking into that since our minds are creating reality basically with a extreemly dence connection center of atoms, and atoms basically are just one stage within the fractal of reality, its possible the mext stage simmilar in reality bossibly the complex system of galixies may also have the same capability to create a cauntiosness as well, maybe the dark matter they talk about is all the "brain" material we just cant possibly see caus were part of the servous system within it, just my two cents.
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Originally posted by double_frick

3. and those newer souls not ready to ascend to the 4d will likely have an intense spiritual experience and yet the veil of forgetfulness will be pulled over their awareness once more while they continue their journey on a *new* earth...they will not notice the difference, however.

So approximately how many people are ready for ascension? From what I've read it is those who are spiritually ready for the journey, but that could leave out a lot of people. The world is a very violent place and I don't think those who perpetuate the violence are ready for a peaceful place yet. I don't think they have learned the lessons they came to learn in this dimension. If my thoughts are correct then there would be millions, possibly billions of people who are not yet ready to ascend. What are your thoughts on this?

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[edit on 25-4-2010 by Wolftotem]

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I'd like to know this too, as my research proved to be inconclusive.

From what ive read in ancient texts, modern channelings, and other sources, there was a minimum of 144,000 to ascend and avert destruction, but that was before many incarnated here from higher realms to help. Since there are so many who incarnated here, that number is way passed 144,000. If i had to guess, i'd say roughly around 6 million ready to ascend right now, with that number rapidly increasing with people waking up and learning the true ways of things. I'm almost ready to go as well. I got that number because for every 1000 people, i see only a few truly spiritual people (many people say they are spiritual, but are not. Going to church does not make you spiritual automatically.)

[edit on 25-4-2010 by mossme89]

When I telepathically asked "The Light Beings" if the "New Earth" aka Ascension was true; a ufo showed up in my backyard the next day

So I took that as a sign of it being true

Is it true that humans either ascend to 4th Density Positive polarity("awaken" people) or reincarnate in another 3rd density (for those who are "not ready")?

Also, are there certain beings that will ascend to a 4th Density Negative polarity?

Originally posted by DjSharperimage
When I telepathically asked "The Light Beings" if the "New Earth" aka Ascension was true; a ufo showed up in my backyard the next day

So I took that as a sign of it being true

Wow! Thats amazing!! How did you know it was a UFO? What did it look like, how big?

There could be a false ascension tbh.

There may be a true good ascension but there might be a false one engineered by ETs, deceiving men that it will be good when in actuality they will be slaughtered.

Originally posted by sphinx551
Is it true that humans either ascend to 4th Density Positive polarity("awaken" people) or reincarnate in another 3rd density (for those who are "not ready")?

Also, are there certain beings that will ascend to a 4th Density Negative polarity?

Yes, look at the Ra materials. Those atleast 51% Service to Others polarized will move to 4th density positive. Those who are atleast 95% negative service to self (TPTB) move to 4th density negative. The majority of people are 'lukewarm' (in between 51% STO and 95% STS, and they move) to another 3rd density planet. Dont worry, by just making the intention to move to 4th density positive, your life lines up to accommodate you.

I heard myself that angels and the 'army of light' are literally in our atmosphere waiting to be called upon. At first i was skeptical, but i asked anyway that they help me move to 4th density positive. Over the next few months, i had many arguments with people, got in trouble at school, and other tension. At first it seemed terrible. But looking back now, i just see that they helped clear issues in my life, just by bringing them to the surface. It might have a negative result from a linear POV, but it helped get out my inner resentment and issues, and helped move me forward. It really doesn't matter to me anymore if i get in trouble with others or 'the law'. Granted, i won't go around killing people, but i'm done with people telling me what to do, i stand my ground when ordered to do something. It drives them crazy (hence why they punish me), but i get to be who i came here to be.

My best advice is to go with your gut with pretty much anything. Thats your inner guidance. I've had times where my gut told me to go to sleep, but my mind was like 'no, i need to do this, and that'. Well, i slept like crap, and if i just followed my gut, my next day would have been much better. Thats just one of many examples.

Here's a depiction of STS & STO:
STS------------50%------------STO
they are on opposite ends

Originally posted by mossme89

Originally posted by sphinx551

Also, are there certain beings that will ascend to a 4th Density Negative polarity?

Yes, look at the Ra materials. Those atleast 51% Service to Others polarized will move to 4th density positive. Those who are atleast 95% negative service to self (TPTB) move to 4th density negative. The majority of people are 'lukewarm' (in between 51% STO and 95% STS, and they move) to another 3rd density planet.

Here's a depiction of STS & STO:
STS------------50%------------STO
they are on opposite ends

I will have to check out the Ra material. I was not aware there was the possibility of a negative 4th dimension.

Originally posted by Wolftotem
I was not aware there was the possibility of a negative 4th dimension.

Read this post by Hidden-Hand:

Originally posted by Hidden_Hand
To help you understand this Notation:

13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns, 3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin


These are the Mayan words for the periods of time:

Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee nal)
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years


13.0.0.0.0.


Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since the event of this cosmic beginning point. Within the 5,125 year cycle lies 13 smaller cycles, known as the "13 Baktun Count," or the "long count." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years, or 144,000 days. Each baktun was its own Historical Age, within the Great Creation Cycle, with a specific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun.

Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13th baktun cycle, the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as "the triumph of materialism", and "the transformation of matter."
On 13.0.0.0.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way, directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy, forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and Lunar Planes. This is an event that has slowly converged, over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears. It brings about the Great Harvest, and the return of the Lord of The Harvest.

When that occurs, this will happen:

And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, the vibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three way split for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly Negative Polarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service to Self) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on the Negative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the Negative Karmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as Sixth Density Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.

Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon your learning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your True Powers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus" promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for you.


continued.....

For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 25-4-2010 by sphinx551]

I do not know but I hope it is beautiful, all I wanted was help... Not the Universe as a whatever those looking to conquer, reltivity is a witch w/ a b....

reply to post by Wolftotem

1) Is it possible to ascend to a higher frequency
while still in a 3D physically manifested body?

I suppose that depends on the nature of the ascension. However, if it is simply a shift to a "higher frequency" then we might liken it to similar changes we can observe: Does light changing from green to blue "lose itself?" Does water changing from liquid to gas "lose" anything?

If not wouldn't this mean that your physical body
must "die" before you can achieve ascension?

That is one interpretation. But, what if "ascension" is not really a matter of going anywhere, but rather a matter of shifting one's consciousness to observe not only an awareness of here and now, but also to observe the broader canvas upon which "here and now" is only a single pixel. A water molecule may have a certain sort of experience as it flows through a pipe. But the experience of "the water" flowing through that pipe is somewhat more grand, isn't it? But doesn't the experience of the water include the experience of the molecule? How is anything lost by shifting from the perspective of a molecule to the perspective of the water of which the molecule is only a part?

Is Earth itself changing vibrational frequencies

Perhaps.

or does a physical manifestation of the Earth already
exist in the 4th dimension waiting for people to ascend?

It may be that nothing is moving or changing other than perspective. Look at the desk in front of you. Look at a single point of it, a speck of a wood grain in one single spot. Imagine that you're that speck...speculating on what it will be like to "ascend" and become a desk. So you ask yourself, "When I ascend and become a desk, will I still be here where I am now, or will I be over there instead? Does that speck over there that I will become already exist?"

Do these questions make sense? Well, from the perspective of the speck that has no idea what it is like to be a desk they make sense. But from the prespective of you looking at the desk they make very little sense. But telling the speck that "Yes, the speck over there that you're not, but will soon become when you're a desk, does already exist" while basically correct...isn't likely to be helpful. The speck isn't becoming another speck. The speck isn't moving over to where another speck is. It's becoming a desk. But even that isn't entirely accurate. The desk was there all along, and the speck has not changed. If you look at the desk instead of the speck, isn't the speck still there? Is anything "lost" when you look at the entire desk instead of the speck?

What happens to the "new" souls who are just beginning
their incarnations in the 3rd dimension?

I suspect that what "happens" to them is not yet certain.

If the Earth's physical 3D manifestation moves into the waiting
4th dimension where do these 3D souls go to continue their own journey's?

Why? Is there a shortage of space?


[edit on 25-4-2010 by LordBucket]

reply to post by Wolftotem


Hello my friend,

I am a part of the first group to ascend. I can confirm that it is real. As of right now I only have an entire world of internal proof. Nothing that I can show you. I believe that this will be changing soon and tangible proof will be available.

1) Is it possible to ascend to a higher frequency while still in a 3D physically manifested body?

Yes. It is possible. It is happening. I do not pretend to have all of the answers. But it is important to realize that there is more to life (and death) than just the physical body. During ascension an excruciating death process occurs - but on a cellular and energetic level. My physical body (heart, lungs, etc..) has continued to function somewhat normally. My energetic body though is an entirely different story. The process does take a major toll on the physical body though so the physical body is impacted in that way.

Regarding the physical body, I am very curious to see what ends up happening to it. I get the feeling that upon completion it is going to change dramatically. But I have no physical proof of this (yet).


2) Is Earth itself changing vibrational frequencies or does a physical manifestation of the Earth already exist in the 4th dimension waiting for people to ascend?

I again do not pretend to have all of the answers, but from what I have experienced and what I feel, the Earth is upgrading and changing its frequencies as well. Many people say that this is why we are seeing so much Earth activity (earthquakes, wild weather, volcano activity, etc..). So heaven is coming to Earth and we will all be upgrading along with it.

3) What happens to the "new" souls who are just beginning their incarnations in the 3rd dimension? Do they stay on this Earth? If the Earth's physical 3D manifestation moves into the waiting 4th dimension where do these 3D souls go to continue their own journey's?

Transitioning everything over to the new Earth is going to take time. So for some time, both 3D and the New Earth will coexist. Some people say we will not see the full transition (of all of its people and all of our systems..) in this lifetime. So everybody will transition when they are personally ready. The new souls being born will be transitioning just as everybody else does - gradually and when they are personally ready. Gradually and eventually, more and more new souls being born will already be vibrationally matched to the new Earth so they will not need to transition.

It is going to be a wonderful thing once this becomes more widely and publicly embraced. I have a feeling that this process will be sort of jump started when the first wave reaches completion and we have actual proof. For we ourselves do not even know exactly what we are working towards. What to fully expect. Right now we can only confirm the actual ascension process, validate that we are changing internally (for example, how we view life and ourselves, how we are only able to react with love and acceptance, how we are not able to feel fear, etc..) and what we "think" or "feel" is going to happen when we are done.

It is important to know that when the time comes, the transition of everything and everybody over to the New Earth will not be something that separates or divides us. It will be a beautiful thing that brings us all together (finally) as a people. Except for those who resist... They will continue to experience more of the same (suffering).

reply to post by Wolftotem

For those who believe the earth and its peoples are on the verge of mass ascension I have some questions.

My friend, we live in the real world, not in some alternate reality where the Stargate is real and hundreds of alien worlds are populated by English speaking humans. Ascension does not exist.

1) Is it possible to ascend to a higher frequency while still in a 3D physically manifested body? If not wouldn't this mean that your physical body must "die" before you can achieve ascension?

Your conscious mind is a direct result of your physical brain. If you dared to even try to use any means to excite the particles in your body to a higher frequency you would end up essentially cooking yourself which would lead to complete death. It would be extremely painful up until the point you lose complete consciousness, and then you wouldn't 'wake up' from it.

2) Is Earth itself changing vibrational frequencies or does a physical manifestation of the Earth already exist in the 4th dimension waiting for people to ascend?

The Earth is not changing it's vibrational frequencies at all, there is no scientific basis to justify any such belief. The fourth dimension does not exist because time itself does not exist. You can't reverse entropy for the entire universe as it would require more energy than the universe itself contains.

3) What happens to the "new" souls who are just beginning their incarnations in the 3rd dimension? Do they stay on this Earth? If the Earth's physical 3D manifestation moves into the waiting 4th dimension where do these 3D souls go to continue their own journey's?

Nothing happens to nothing that doesn't exist.You don't have a soul, nor have you ever had a soul. We're not moving from a 3D world into a 4D world, and if you understood the backwards physics of today you would already know that we supposedly already exist within a 4D universe, not the widely believed 3D as the current thinking includes moving forwards in time through the 4th dimension. Obviously you have a seriously screwed up sense of reality.

I am interested in your responses ATS. (Mods., feel free to move this thread if I have posted it on the wrong board. Thanks.)

I would suggest moving this to the trash heap myself as we're attempting to mix a sci-fi concept with an ill conceived concept of real world physics mixed in with a smidgen of religious belief.

Do you think there could be a link between the rapture and 4d ascension?

On second thought probably not because rapture is a Christian concept and ascension is New Age. Diametrical opposites.

[edit on 25-4-2010 by ForAiur]