All Roads Lead to Rome

Hi PT ..Congratulations on a very good post ...I found answers to a lot of the questions I had about what happened on Turtle Island . I just recently came across a vid and would like your comment to it as you have researched the subject inside of it .The secret part of Romes involvement comes in in the latter part so be patience. Thank you for your work and presenting the information to us and the world . enjoy www.youtube.com...

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The video is mind blowing if true, it was mentioned in the video Operation Paperclip, that is what it was called when the SS and OSS combined to become the CIA, what I know about Paperclip is that it was the CIA MKUltra Mind Control Program.

Project MKULTRA

MKULTRA" redirects here. For other uses, see MKULTRA (disambiguation).

Declassified MKULTRA documentsProject MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.[1][2][3] The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 14-8-2010 by Aquarius1]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by oniongrass

More importantly why would the American government that’s long been claiming that America is too dependent on foreign oil, lease for a pittance, to a foreign company one of the largest reserves in the world?

Further how could you lease one of the largest reserves of oil in the world and not make a staggering sum doing so?

I don't doubt that the leases are too cheap. It's hard / impossible to prove what they're worth, and the oil lease monopsonists will take advantage of every bit of gray area there, meanwhile the government is not going to negotiate very aggressively.

Same way government deals with the big banks. Sweetheart deals, agreed.

Believe it or not the cost for one gallon of fuel delivered to the U.S. Military in Afghanistan exceeds 400.00 per gallon. That’s the average cost per gallon that the U.S. Government pays to hand full of contractors that deliver that gasoline.

Why is the U.S. Military not securing and procuring and delivering its own gasoline? It certainly has the means to do so and transport it and distribute it?

Why was Halliburton given a million dollar a day no bid contract to run the infrastructure in Iraq? More importantly why did we have to destroy the infrastructure in Iraq just to make American taxpayers pay for then rebuilding it?

Why does Halliburton actually destroy a brand new vehicle that has a flat tire rather than paying to have it fixed in Iraq? Because it needs to spend that million dollars a day on expenditures that appear legitimate, but how does destroying a brand new vehicle and buying a new one simply because it has a flat tire, improve the Iraqi infrastructure.

I didn't know about the $400 / gallon gasoline. I do remember the $10,000 toilet seats from the Vietnam era. I used to work in the defense industry. It was fairly comfortable with all that funding.

The giveaways to Halliburton and other companies, well known in the W era, were indeed bald criminality.

Taxation is in fact based on the divine right of Kings, you owe a debt to the state because the state allows you to live in it.

But what is the alternative. Do we let people opt out of receiving police protection, military "protection", etc.? If the system were run honestly, it would be a fair tradeoff. Of course the system is never run honestly.

Here's an idea! There should be some areas set aside as unincorporated zones on the planet, where people can pay no taxes and receive no services. And in other areas people can live under the protection of a state.

But here's a problem! How do we prevent a tough guy conquering the unincorporated area and setting up a state? Well you need outside protection, some (minimal) laws, etc. to keep that under control. Oops, mission creep! Now someone has to administer it. So it's not really unincorporated.

China began it’s transformation prior to the lease expiring in Hong Kong, they had set up a ‘free economic’ zone in Southern China across from Hong Kong they were rapidly industrializing and turning into a free enterprise zone so that once Hong Kong reverted back to China they could use it as a economic gateway to China. It’s spread out from there to basically the entire nation in a short period of time, but let’s examines a few important things about China.

Yes the Shenzhen special economic zone. Actually a bit more color to that: HK had long been used as an economic gateway to China. When China took it over, it no longer had to put up with people's preference for dealing with Brits. As a result some business naturally moved from there to other cities, largely Shanghai. The HK entrepreneurs were from Shanghai anyway, having run to escape communism. Now the communism is much reduced, Shanghai is much improved, and many of them really preferred Shanghai anyway. Shanghai is becoming the leading business city, even though HK has a better port, because it's a different race (or sub-race) of people.

One is its central bank is a Rothschild bank.

Do you have evidence for this? It is important.

So the Papal Rothschild Family controls its money and this explains a lot of why China loans the U.S. so much money.

Two is that when Richard Nixon visited China in the early 70’s, he like so many other Kissinger influenced politicians proclaimed a “New World Order”.

Three George Bush Sr. was then named Ambassador to China.

Four George Bush Jr. oversaw the transfer of American industry and the outsourcing of most of it’s manufacturing to China.

Today China has the second largest group of billionaires in the world as a result.

How a State chooses to manage its citizens (govern) makes no difference presently to Rome, what does matter is it does what it is told to with its resources.

Nixon wasn't in control. In fact he negotiated with Deng Xiaoping, who did not have the highest title and probably could not commit China to much. Now it's true that Deng was de-facto the leader of the country, and everyone knew it, but that doesn't matter in international law.

No doubt the Bush family has a lot of business connections to China, which they take advantage of. Whether it's corrupt is not China's problem. I don't know that it's corrupt from their side.

You are never going to see that money again, so why is China a communist nation loaning America a capitalist nation trillions of dollars?

Easy because if they don’t they won’t receive the oil and manufacturing contracts it needs to run it’s new and improved infrastructure.

This explanation stands on its own, without having to believe that the Rothschilds run the Chinese system.

When the Shenzhen SEZ was set up, people flocked there from the countryside because they could make a bit more money. Chinese love money, and that has nothing to do with Rothschilds.

I think it's a consequence of capitalism. The capital can be controlled by any hands, they do not have to be the Rothschilds or anyone in particular.

Did you see how tough China was in negotiating against the Western bankers, for 20 years or more, turning back endless attempts at subversion? I do not believe it was all for show.

I'd say China these days is about the most capitalist place on earth. Ask any Chinese, there or here.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by oniongrass]

To summarize my comments last night and tonight in this thread:

(1) It's a wonderful and inspired work that Proto. has done. Thank you.

(2) I believe I have found two errors, both important.

(2a) One error is that the text says the Bible has been destroyed. It was only partially destroyed. In it remains the essence of (what I see as) a true faith, although there are also distractions that are fooling many people now.

(2b) The other error is that the text, and Proto's most recent comment, say that the Rothschilds run everything now. I do not think that is correct, because I cannot believe they control China. I can be persuaded I am wrong on this if evidence is presented.

(3) These errors are important because they could lead one to believe all is lost. All is not lost, the battle is very much still on. If I am right, the Bible contains material that more people can continue to learn from, to throw off the spiritual darkness. And on the material side, the Romans have a very significant gap in their coverage of the world. China is not only a populous country, but it is a rising power with major economic alliances around the world. They are even at the center of a new power bloc, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, that is focused like a laser against imperialist attempts to subvert their stability.

(4) And last night (to switch from facts to airy spirituality) I became aware of the tendency of one of the spirits to get "wound up", to lose grounding and attempt to overcome the other voice by drowning it out. That was the nature of the non-cooperative spirit as it communicated with me. It is possible that some of the inspiration in writing this came from that side, and hence I could imagine that real complicating factors and obstacles for Rome would be swept away in the excitement of a consistent story that fits together like a puzzle.

I have sought myself too much for symmetry, for the simple clever story, in another context, and I made a mistake I might not be able to undo in this incarnation, having lost some information. Fortunately I don't think it had great consequences, but it was my fault, and I hope I have learned to do better. This is to say, without going into more details, that I've failed in this way myself.

These days we have to listen to the quiet voice. It's not so sexy but it is the voice of the balanced reality. I hope and believe the picture painted by this history of Rome, while brilliant, is not complete.

I watched a video presented in another thread( www.abovetopsecret.com... ) and i think it could explain some of the OP affirmations. i also found some more related vids

America is still a British colony and Britain is still a Imperial Legion of Rome!





[edit on 17-8-2010 by Isaacland]

Originally posted by tankthinker
Hey proto would it be possible to provide a list of treaties that are of most importance in understanding the Roman conspiracy.

I would love to read them.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by tankthinker]

I would still love to read through these treaties if its not to much trouble to give a definite list.

thanks

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Pax Romana, m'dear friend, is the term that summarizes this global agenda completely. Pax Britannica was the carrier of the banner in the 19th Century, but we have to remember the British Empire was the successor to Rome and the precursor to the global empire (or global government)

Pax Britannica was based on the system of colonial parliaments linked to Imperial Parliament in London. Which was the originator of 80% of the all laws throughout the empire (sounds familiar? of course, that's how the current EU Parliament works) At the turn of the 20th Century, after trying to divide and conquer the United States via the Civil war and War of 1812 (during the 19th Century), the British elite infiltrated the American establishment. In fact, it was government policy at the time.

Do the research, British Prime Minister's even proposed a federation between Great Britain and America at the turn of the 20th Century. ProtoplasmicTraveler, I recommend you deeply looking into it - it truly explains the "special relationship" and why America never gained true independence from the empire.

However (moving on), arriving at our contemporary times, there are plans to move the UN headquarters. From viewing the UK Parliamentary archives, London is regular destination for the UN - with Rome second.

21st Century Pax Romana, anyone?


[edit on 22-8-2010 by infinite]

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The UN is the best place to start, to understand the modern implications. Then study British Prime Minister Arthur Balfour (premier 1902 - 05) - he was the gentlemen that proposed a federation between the British empire and the United States - in order to bring about a global government. This British Prime Minister was a stance Zionist and was the one responsible for allowing the Jews to settle in Palestine - during the British league of nations mandate.

During the Napoleonic Wars, the Papal States (now the Holy See) were invaded numerous times by the French. The British Empire was the vanguard against the French in Europe. Even though Britain was extremely anti-Catholic at the time, it paved away for Christianity to spread into Africa and East Asia. Catholic missionaries were protected by British soldiers in the colonies.

But we regard to your question, the 1810s is a good place to start after studying the UN because that's when the British establishment referered to themselves as the "Third Rome"

Except for Hidden_hand's and Illuminator13's post yours is the best one so far. I've even saved on Microsoft word, that's how interesting it is. Learned a lot from this thread. May the One Infinite Creator guide you through your journey. Thank you

Regards, Naeem

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


What makes it interesting is all along the route that carries these illegal aliens up to and into the United States are way stations and free pensions (over night hostiles) run by the Catholic Church and Priests who feed and shelter these immigrants over night all along the thousand mile route the train takes.

So answer me this skeptics why is the Roman Catholic Church feeding and housing illegal immigrants to help them get into the United States illegally against the laws of the United States.

Could it be because Rome OWNS the USA and has the right to do whatever it pleases?

Proto, excuse me for just jumping in here, as I have not yet completed reading this thread in it's entirety, but there are many things troubling me about some of these situations.

According to information I have read (and I know you will correct me if it's wrong) but the Charter of Submission in 1213 had King John claiming all sovereign rights to England and assigned them over to the Pope and also submitted and pledged loyalty and fidelity to the Pope as having dominion over the whole world.

The Pope and his Roman Church control the Crown Temple and it was established under the Orders of the Pope. So actually it is the Crown Temple who OWNS the USA through the deception of those who have sworn allegiances of oath to the Temple. (the cabal of lawyers and bankers) And apparently, the entire network of secret societies, high and low, are connected into this root.

Now, this is what is disturbing.

The Middle Inn of the Crown Temple has publically acknowledged there were at least five Temple Bar attornies, under solemn oath only to the Crown, who signed what was alleged to be the American Declaration of Independence. This simply means that both parties to the Declaration agreement were of the same origin, the CROWN TEMPLE. .....the importance of this, there is no international agreement or treaty that will ever be honored or will ever have lawful effect, when the same party signs as both the first and second parties. It's merely a worthless piece of paper with no lawful authority when both sides to any agreement are actually the same.
nesara.insights2.org...

And likewise, with the Constitution. It's moot. Same tactics of first and second parties being the same---pledged to the Crown. So much for the Patriots screaming for their Rights.

It has also been proposed that the Crown Temple holds all land titles and estate deeds of all of North America.

Is this our "shadow government"?

The information I have found goes on to claim that the legal system of the USA is controlled by the Crown Temple , and "globally all the legalistic scams promoted by the exclusive monopoly of the Temple Bar and their Bar Association franchises come from four Inns or Temples of Court." (none are incorporated, therefore no claims can be brought against them.)

My real question now, is: Where do we go from here?

reply to post by Alethea


Wouldn't the D of I, Constitution etc. be binding if any of the parties were on only one side? Binding at least on the parties that were not on both sides? Otherwise it would be a great way to subvert many contracts -- get a secret agent into the other team, or pre-date an agreement with one of the counterparties such that it would nullify the contract.

But the Brits would want the Constitution to be a valid contract because it binds us to the debt of the Treaty of 1783, all the colonies' prewar debts, that previously in the 1780's under the Articles of Confederation they had had trouble collecting from the independent States. The only problem with the Constitution would be whether the US signers had the authority from the US side -- they certainly didn't represent the popular will, locked as they were in Independence Hall with the windows covered and protected by armed guards! But I guess it was sort of like the 1913 act authorizing the Fed, or the recent TARP and Obamacare acts -- passed under very questionable circumstances, but still binding.

Pope Alexander VI claimed all the lands west of the Azores (the whole New World, explored and unexplored) for the Church and made Columbus administrator, in 1493 after Columbus managed to stumble on one or two Caribbean islands.

www.usgennet.org...

and I don't know if the Church somehow believes that still holds today. I'm not aware that it was ever officially recanted.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Big star and flag my friend and kudos to you for a very well researched and presented original post and theory.

You very well may have stumbled upon the symbols and their numerical significance in how the 2033 date was arrived at for the beginning of the New World Order, and the New Rome/New Atlantis, that the United States of America seems to have been founded as a staging ground to play a pivotal and preeminent role in creating.

My source for the 2033 date, and the picture of the pyramid beings used in your OP presented them to me as being Masonic in origin. Though I have no doubt the Masons of ATS will deny this in various ways.

This according to my source is the target date for the completion of the new control grid and the new one world government to go along with it.

Unlike a great number of the Prediction Threads that include dates that pop up here on ATS this is one that I most certainly would not like to see ever come true at any point in time, the way that the Shadow Government would like for it to come true.

I feel that we have a realistic chance to prevent this from happening by exposing this conspiracy and raising people’s level of awareness, so they in fact will not go along with the controls that my source tells me will start to be rapidly implemented starting in 2013, and continue on for a 20 year period of building upon them and locking them down, with a final completion in 2033.

I feel we have a realistic chance in stopping this conspiracy and making a much better future for ourselves because of people like you my friend, who are diligently trying to expose these things, by thinking outside of the box, and outside of the control grid to figure them out and shed light on them.

World War III is largely going to be an information war, a guerilla information war, and it will be won or lost by the information that either dissuades people to not go along with the drive to a one world government and ever excessive security controls and regulations, or lost because people are convinced to go along with it.

Great job my friend.

After reading your thread i ends up thinking that it's a real Masterpiece. ( you should write a book about it )

In another thread, you said that ''controls will start to be rapidly implemented starting in 2013''

If 2012 is not the end of the world but instead the beginning of the last stage to a new world, what exactly we should be expecting to happen in 2012-2013 and 2013-2033 ? and what do you think will the New World Order look like at the end of the process?

Please Sir, i hope you will take the time to answer, thank you



[edit on 24-8-2010 by Revolution33]

if this dribble counts for anything more than another jewish masonic road side attraction in any of the readers minds, it certainly explains a lot about this site and the state of the planet....
Christianity in India since the living days of a JEW called the "doubting" Thomas(52 A.D.), puts the only nail needed in the coffin of this long winded fluff barrel.

Originally posted by Revolution33
what exactly we should be expecting to happen in 2012-2013 and 2013-2033 ? and what do you think will the New World Order look like at the end of the process?

Complete destruction of the current system. Expect the economy to be annihilated. The basic function of a World Central Bank and global reserve currency will be in place by 2015.

The World government will be very much like Ancient Rome - with the UN Assembly acting as the arcane Roman Senate. Head of the United Nations will no longer be referred to as "general secretary" - it will be a different title. This individual will be a benevolent dictator.

As for religion, the Abrahamic religions will be morphed into some hybrid Christian-Islamic belief system.

I, too, was given the 2033 end date for completion of the new world project.

reply to post by infinite


Given by whom?

Why should we believe anything about this 2033 date when there is no proof whatsoever to support it.

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by infinite

 

Given by whom?

Why should we believe anything about this 2033 date when there is no proof whatsoever to support it.

Oh wow Serbsta you didn't get the Memo? That's odd I thought it was sent to everyone that...oops...hold on...what oh...they aren't...really...I thought they were...no...well...gulp...ok...not slated for...ouch...well that's going to hurt...oh dear...yes...yes...I will...no...no...It's alright I will handle it.

What was your question again Serbsta?

Originally posted by pjl_u2
if this dribble counts for anything more than another jewish masonic road side attraction in any of the readers minds, it certainly explains a lot about this site and the state of the planet....
Christianity in India since the living days of a JEW called the "doubting" Thomas(52 A.D.), puts the only nail needed in the coffin of this long winded fluff barrel.

Been practicing again to do the drama reviews for the school newspaper I see.

I hope that goes well for you.

This however is a Roman production, I think the Jewish Masonic one is playing in Galgary!





[edit on 27/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Did you just say nothing in your post again? Oh yes, you did...

2033, where does it come from?

Why should we believe it?

Sorry, you know I'm not close with all those secret government agents and heads of state like you are. I don't have inside knowledge of how the worlds ruling cabals operate, so excuse my ignorance in asking a simple question to someone who is so obviously tied with the elite and therefore should be able to provide the answer.

2033. Go.

reply to post by infinite

Complete destruction of the current system. Expect the economy to be annihilated. The basic function of a World Central Bank and global reserve currency will be in place by 2015.

A good part of what’s been going on for the last few hundred years has been the Papal Banking system eroding the sovereignty of the nations through debt manipulation.

Amazingly enough the selection of the U.S. Dollar as a Reserve Currency for the world and the only medium certain commodities could be paid for worldwide played well to the U.S. collective ego, yet at the same time paved the way for an International Currency, that the Euro then took a step further.

Much of what has transpired has been a slow incremental march towards Rome’s ultimate goals by appealing at times to the collective ego of nations, to get them to embrace and even actively and enthusiastically pursue things that will ultimately be their own doing.

Debt is entirely illusionary as the currency is attached to nothing of real value, it is really just paper and script, but the concept of debt is a powerful one that in many ways plays to people’s egos too. Being credit worthy is an ego boost, being able to pay one’s debts is considered a virtue, being able to be granted and take on massive debt to enjoy grand things on demand a privilege all should relish.

Yet amazingly what this has accomplished is almost everything the citizens own of any appreciable value actually belonging to the banks.

The banks that are often to then manipulate the markets, the stock, commodities, currency and labor markets to more or less ensure that very few people will actually acquire ownership of the appreciable asset and ultimately as a result simply end up subsidizing the banks ownership and purchase of it.

Much of our self worth is determined by our ability to acquire debt, and pay debt, and acknowledge debt.

Nations like Greece and Iceland are already openly required to make concessions to the International Banking Cartel simply to get enough credit to meet sliced and austere budgets.

Nations that have nothing of great value in the way of resources or military assets or technology will increasingly find themselves dictated too by the banking cartel as they scramble for credit just to maintain some basic services for the citizens.

This will be a continuing trend, an incremental one.

The Elite are very good at doing things in incremental stages where they realize that some things like the economic bailouts paid to the banks and the big corporations are a shock to the national system. So typically they will allow for a intermittent period for people to absorb that shock, become accustomed to a new reality, while they create the illusion that things might be getting better for a while, before shocking us again with yet another manipulation that takes us down yet one more notch in the national standard of living, and further adjusts political and economic attitudes.

Because most people fear a massive all of a sudden collapse and would react with a certain degree of panic and rebellion to that, they do it slowly in stages.

Ultimately the trick is to take it to a point where the people themselves clamor for the change, and demand the very thing that the Elite wanted from the start but the people would have never accepted in that fashion.

Desperate times breed desperate measures and it’s all about slowly increasing that desperation and off balancing people’s critical thinking process through the pressure and the emotions that come replete with fairly hopeless situations.

It is only hopeless though because Rome controls the banking system through the illusion of debt and people believe in the concept of debt, even if that debt is based purely on something illusionary like a paper currency attached to nothing of value except a promise to pay or surrender.

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Did you just say nothing in your post again? Oh yes, you did...

2033, where does it come from?

Why should we believe it?

Sorry, you know I'm not close with all those secret government agents and heads of state like you are. I don't have inside knowledge of how the worlds ruling cabals operate, so excuse my ignorance in asking a simple question to someone who is so obviously tied with the elite and therefore should be able to provide the answer.

2033. Go.

Well of course you could go to www.secretwebsitefortheelite.com and type in this password IamAeliteTiedinWithTheCabal, don't tell them I gave you that information though.

Once you have accessed the website that contains the world's most gaurded information you will want to go to the 2033 page from the drop down menu.

I think if you look at your above statement you will actually be able to understand yourself why the level of proof you require is not available for you.

As someone who has read the entire thread and been involved with it since day one, you have doubtlessly read where I have stated numerous times my source of the information comes from someone well placed within the cabal and I am not at liberty to disclose who that person is.

I have stated numerous times I consider them and the information to be credible but all I can do is share that information and let people use their own freewill in deciding.

If I had more to offer than that, I would provide it, but I think you need to be a bit more realistic with yourself about just how truly sensitive such information is and how well it is typically gaurded.

I can certainly appreciate your continued curiousity as well as your skepticism and I anticipate the likelihood of having more important information to share in regards to all this in about 8 months time as the fight against Rome switches gears to a far more proactive one.

This is not, let me repeat this is not about fear mongering Serbsta, or grandstanding, this is about the mother of all conspiracies.

Ultimately no mater what kind of documents or witnesses surface the only absolute proof will occur in 2033.

If and when Rome completes it's quest. Now lots of people, increasing numbers of people will be doing their level best to make sure they don't, you could be one of those people, or you could choose not to be one of those people.

You can be part of the problem or part of the solution, but refusing to believe there is a problem is not the same thing as having a solution.

You might just want to take a look around presently at the over all tone and mood of these boards and the issues dividing them and then consider that I mentioned these precise things would be used as wedge issues by Rome to incite anger, strife and discord and more of the divide and conquer hostilities they are counting on to drive the world to a one world government.

This is actually happening Serbsta. You might want to consider that.

Thanks.