All Roads Lead to Rome

Sorry if you feel I am being critical Proto, I am jus interjecting some other possibilities into your concept.

I don't disagree that Rome morphed into the Catholic Church, but I don't think they are nearly as much in control as you imply, and that there are other groups also vying for world domination.

Other points that I would make.

The Danes are not from the Middle East, they are Swedish, and along with Sweden, they controlled a vast empire for more than a few centuries, primarily aided by their great ship building skills. Most modern day Russians are the descendants of the vikings.

When the protestant movement began against the Roman Catholic Church, it is not what the church wanted. When Britain broke away from the Roman Catholic Church, it was certainly not what they wanted, and the defeat of the Spanish Empire by the British, was a major setback to the power of the Roman Catholic church.

The reason I am pointing this out, is to show that the Roman Catholic Church can be beaten, and has been beaten several times in history.

reply to post by UnmitigatedDisaster

So what guarantee do we have that your Epic post, which you did by your own admission at someone's request, wasn't the result of a deliberate misdirection attempt that you're part of?

Absolutely none but for the unbelievably low price of $5.00 I will be happy to tell you what ever you want to hear!

For $10.00 I will have it embossed.

The good news is, there is such a wealth of evidence out there, in Treaties, Legal Documents, and literally every place you look, that all Roads Lead to Rome, that once you open up your mind to that possibility, and do a bit of your own dilligent research, its hard to deny that they do.

The really great news is, that everything I have shared, so far comes at no cost to you!

By the way, a number of posters on this page asked me to write the thread, if you look at my profile you will find comments posted to it from a number more people who asked me to write this thread. If you look at my posting history and follow it on similiar related threads you will see dozens more who asked me to write this thread.

One, just one, asked that I publish it on the 25th. For the purpose of UNICO laying the ground work for the United Nations on that day.

He feels it was established that day, but the actual conference and charter didn't happen until June 26th.

So being the great conspiracy theorist I am, I started looking at what other significance April 25th had...

AND WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT ALL ROADS LED TO ROME YET AGAIN!

It's a major pagan festival for Robigalia, one of the most important religious festivals of the pagan world of a God who WASN'T FROM BABYLON, that blesses crops or curses them at the beginning of a planting season.

I can appreciate some people might feel I am misrepresenting some things, but lets not misrepresent what you consider I might be misrepresenting, by mispresenting what I actually have said, precisely in black and white right here on ATS the greatest site on the Internet.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Not knocking Annee....but i referred to Undo.

Edit to add: you had suggested that Undo write a thread on her Babylonian Mysteries stuff. I was letting you know that she has. It is a couple hundred pages of brilliance. Lots in there from Zorgon, too.

Man, i miss Zorgon. I hope he gets finished and comes back to ATS.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]

I will have to check that out some time! Thanks for recommending it.

I really do wish people though would concentrate on the subject matter and theories involved and leave personalities out of it.

It's always a bad sign when people start going after the posters instead of the post.

In my humble opinion if people can't take a purely annalytical approach to reviewing material, they are too emotionally involved to be 100% objective.

They loose and then everyone else looses, having to suffer it too!

The focus should always be on the material.

Thanks my friend.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


okay by claiming the entire bible is a fiction created by rome, he has insulted anyone who has ever believed what it said, or had spiritual experiences as a result of reading it, to include, the sumerians, akkadians, hebrews (habiru), phoenician converts, ugaritic converts, the 8-fold path people who chose yeshua as their path, the mormons, jehovah witnesses, seventh day adventists, protestants, calvinists, lutherans, methodists, baptists, assemblies of god, gnostic christians, catholics, jewish and christian masons, even many muslims believe yeshua was a real person, who was at the very least, a divinely-inspired prophet, and that's not even touching on the old testament offshoots, the essenes, egyptian believers, chinese believers, japanese believers and so on.

i'm surprised you asked that question bft, you know how many years the data in the text covers. even my stargate thread started its journey in an attempt to figure out what the bottomless/abyss was from revelation 9, and proto's theory would toss that all out too. i mean i JUST started to figure out that stuff only a few years ago! and now i'm supposed to pitch it all in the waste basket because it was a supposed concoction by the romans? years, literally my entire adult reading life has resulted in that thread.

reply to post by undo


Actually guess what, if it's been fabricated, and there is just so much evidence it's had, should we all pretend for the sake of people's feelings...that's right their feelings, and egos, that it's a good idea, to not confront it, since it ends, with most of the world getting wiped out.

It amazes me honestly so many people would find validity in a book where the end is everyone getting killed for real for real.

But as you just pointed out they do, because people are too thin skinned and under too much peer pressure to consider the possibilities, especially when their feelings get hurt?

Seriously...I say the bible is a fabrication, and I would much rather hurt someone's feelings, than watch them all create a self fulfilling prophecy where they all insist on destroying the world and each other just to make it come true.

The thread wasn't written to hurt people's feelings but...

Anyone not mature enough to understand that? Well, they probably could use having their feelings hurt a little bit more!

Thanks!



[edit on 27/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


okay, as bft suggested, read my "stargates are real" thread and if you still think the romans created the bible by the end of the thread (200 pages plus), i will agree to just walk away and leave you to your theory. the thread starts off slow and gains momentum. some of the data in it, is just wacky, and some of it is incredible. it isn't all my data either. there have been many contributors. i would say, if anything at all has been fabricated, it's going to be minute and hardly noticeable in the larger picture, although i would notice cause i'm such a freak for details.

reply to post by undo


My friend, once again, the topic of the thread is HOW ROME USES RELIGION, BANKING, LAW, to control the world, and still runs the world.

How all roads lead in and out of Rome.

In being a key word...

Out being a Key word...

Banking being a Key word...

LAW being a Key word...

Please stay on topic.

By the way asking someone to detour from a thread they spent hours upon hours of writing, and then days politely answering every last posters question to read 200 pages, that you feel disproves the whole premise of it?

Because it's your pet theory? Pop on into one of those stargates, over to my house, and when you pop into my room, you will have saved us both a lot of time, and proved the points you have yet to at this point.

Thanks!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by undo

 

Seriously...I say the bible is a fabrication, and I would much rather hurt someone's feelings, than watch them all create a self fulfilling prophecy where they all insist on destroying the world and each other just to make it come true.

Only just logged-in, but this ^ is a good post



Book written by who knows how many to support who knows how many agendas ?

Book compiled by who knows how many, to suit how many agendas ?

One thing's for sure, the writers and compilers were men ! Were flawed humans !

What a great read PT, thankyou for your effort.

I've read some of your posts regarding this Roman conspiracy before and thought it was really interesting. I was relly looking forward for you to write this thread and it was a really really enlightning read.

However, I disagree with a few of your claims, for instance, like undo has pointed out, history prior to Troy being invented.

I don't see why Rome would need to do this, the Bible could very well be a recollection of older tales and legends of older cultures mixed with new tales(Nicea). Rome just had to choose the ones that fitted their goals, changed here and there and pronto. Now they would have developed a "sacred" book that could be accepted much more easily by other peoples that believed on those anccient texts.

So, although I think your theory about Roman rule being still in place today hits right on the nail, I don't see why history before Rome has to be "invented". This is speculation on your part.

Also, who is to say what TPTB goal really is? Wouldn't it be pure speculation also?

One World Governament? Most Probably YES.

But to say that they plan to make the world a big prison (bigger then already is) is also speculation in MY humble opinion.

I for one, believe we, as humans should all be united, work on our differences and work togheter toward a better future.
IMO a One world governament would be a way to start it. Maybe I shouldn't trust that too much, I know. But one can always hope right?

Where did this notion of NWO being so so so so terrefically bad came from? IDK.

Maybe you could enlighten me on that last one...


But all in all, what a great thread, it took me some time to read the full OP and skim trough the other posts, but it sure was worth it.

[edit on 27/4/2010 by MorfeuZ]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


well either you're all wrong or i'm all wrong or it's somewhere inbetween. i think it's somewhere inbetween. i don't for 5 seconds believe that i'm capable of being 100 percent accurate in every theory or hypothesis i bring forward, and as a result, i don't think you are capable of it either.

i'm trying to stay on topic. you purposefully brought the bible into the discussion and claimed it was all a lie concocted by rome for the purpose of mass mind control. i suggest there's more to it than even you are willing to admit, and my thread on the subject of stargates is an example. i'm not the one who brought the discussion of my thread into it either, bft did that, i just agreed with him that the info in that thread adds alot more "hidden" info that apparently you are not comfortable with. one thing is certain: it doesn't support the status quo on bible related topics but it also doesn't pitch the whole thing out as rubbish.

reply to post by MorfeuZ

.....the Bible could very well be a recollection of older tales and legends of older cultures. Rome just had to choose the ones that fitted their goals, changed here and there and pronto. Now they would have developed a "sacred" book that could be accepted much more easily by other peoples that believed on those anccient texts.

Sure. I can see this happening. Chunk here ... another chunk there ... and inject chunks here, there, all over the place. After all, not as if that many could read, anyway. And of those who could, the Bible was forbidden anyway, for eons

Discovery of later stuff could be dealt with on the run; for example deny this or that as heresy, if it doesn't support the agenda. Or claim it's still being studied, 60-odd years after it's been pulled out of the desert. And make a big tra-laaaaaa if it can be used to validate

Hey OP, I have not had a chance to absorb the entire initial post yet. Just my first cursory read. I got interested in a couple other threads and also my actual work hinders my joy of knowledge once and awhile.

I just wanted to come back and say that your commenters are running with it and history is the most important field there is. One cannot know where one is going if you do not know where you have been.

I WILL absorb it sooner or later.

I have got to make a Word document with all of the outstanding threads here. I tell you, since I became a member here, I have really not read many books. I use to read about 2 to 3 novels each week. I feel members like you should actually think about writing an actual book and try to get published. That is old school but DAMN, you should get a LITTLE cha ching for # like this.

Again, excellent work OP and commenters. Awesome read so far.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by UnmitigatedDisaster

 

One, just one, asked that I publish it on the 25th. For the purpose of UNICO laying the ground work for the United Nations on that day.

i found this about April 25th and UNICO.

April 25, 1945: UN Conference Opens in San Francisco

reply to post by mick1423

i found this about April 25th and UNICO.

Oh the horror! To think, I sacrificed my dog because I believed it was in commemoration of some wacky Roman holiday. Oh well.

reply to post by endisnighe


Know what you mean about the book-sheves seeing less action

Was saying the same to the family only the other day

I used to always have my nose in a book ... apart from when mowing the lawns

In fact, I've been scouting around for some mock 'roll-fronted' desk stuff to attach/nail over the front of my more modern type, to seal in my computer for a trial-run of 6 months or so

Internet is a bit like fast-food --- easy and lots of fat and salt -- but not as satisfying in the long run, imo

Anyway, nice post

reply to post by undo

i'm trying to stay on topic. you purposefully brought the bible into the discussion and claimed it was all a lie concocted by rome for the purpose of mass mind control. i suggest there's more to it than even you are willing to admit, and my thread on the subject of stargates

First if these Stargates are real...which is not proven, and Rome knew about them, and they weren't written into the Bible, well then guess what?
Yes the Bible is a fabrication, and you have more or less admitted that in a dozen other posts stating all the information you think is relevant that should have gone into it.

Second, your theory on Stargates is a theory, unless you are in possession of one, and can display there use.

Third there is ample evidence that A. Rome is still controlling the world. and B. that religion is JUST ONE aspect of that.

So I would contend to you that your hard to prove theory on Stargates, really isn't going to alter the EASY TO PROVE fact that Rome is still running the world!

Do us all a favor, pimp a link to your thread, and let people decide if they want to read it.

Then stop pretending it's a religious thread, if it was I would have posted it in Religious Conspiracies.

Thanks!

reply to post by Dock9


my point exactly. almost everyone was illiterate. there were only a handful of copies of the bible and they were, as luther mentions, chained to the wall in a locked room in the basement of the few catholic churches that actually had one (talk about analogy). and, the people were not allowed to read it, even if they could. it was AGAINST THE LAW to read it. the church services were conducted solely in latin, no matter what country they were in and their religious texts were specifically papal edicts and the ilk, not biblical texts (they hid the dang thing).

if you consider yourself an anti-christian and are attacking Catholicism for being christian, you are really in for a surprise.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


well that's how i found out about the concept of star gates in the first place. it all started in one of my many forays into researching biblical prophecy. i read the bottomless pit chapter (chapter 9 of revelation) many times but it never dawned on me to try to figure out what it was. one day i thought.. ya know, i need to figure out what this thing is. that search lead me all the way back to sumer. that's what the stargates are real thread is about. so yeah, it's in the book, it's even in the book more than once (in the first book of the bible and the last book of the bible). and in fact, it's in lots of ancient texts , some of which are not jewish or christian.

reply to post by MorfeuZ

However, I disagree with a few of your claims, for instance, like undo has pointed out, history prior to Troy being invented.

Thanks for taking the time to read it and share.

It's not that it was invented, so much as it's been represented. Once Rome gets its hands on something...

It tends to manipulate it for it's own gain, and Rome has gotten it's hands on everything in my humble opinion.

Yes there are lots of fascinating things out there worth looking at and considering, but I haven't seen how they really impact the main point of the thread, the Rome runs a shadow government that controls the world to this day.

If I didn't feel it had a real strong influence on that, then I excluded it.

What I mean by strong influence, obviously Enki didn't help the Babylonians much when Rome conquered them.

Obviously Ra didn't help the Egyptians much when Rome conquered them.

Further when you consider tha the 12 principle Gods are basically interchangable between most of these cultures...

It makes them less relevant, until you realize that some of these people are involved in different rituals than Christianity which only becomes so relevant as that it more or less proves, that Christianity is a religion invented as a control cult.

Which is part of how Rome governs us.

But religion is just a part of it.

Law is a part of it.

Banking is a part of it.

They just run it out of a church front.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

okay by claiming the entire bible is a fiction created by rome, he has insulted anyone who has ever believed what it said, or had spiritual experiences as a result of reading it, to include, the sumerians, akkadians, hebrews (habiru), phoenician converts, ugaritic converts, the 8-fold path people who chose yeshua as their path, the mormons, jehovah witnesses, seventh day adventists, protestants, calvinists, lutherans, methodists, baptists, assemblies of god, gnostic christians, catholics, jewish and christian masons, even many muslims believe yeshua was a real person, who was at the very least, a divinely-inspired prophet, and that's not even touching on the old testament offshoots, the essenes, egyptian believers, chinese believers, japanese believers and so on.

I don't think that him having a belief based on evidence should be allowed to insult someone. This is the antithesis of of free speech, isn't it?

I know you are passionate about what you do. You have every right to be proud of the work you have put into your research. I think that, regardless of our personal beliefs, we should hear Proto out and present evidence to the contrary to test his theory. That is the duty of the skeptic and the truthful researcher.

Like i said earlier, Proto could be completely wrong. But we need to find facts and use reason and logic to make that determination. If what he says proves to be true, regardless of how much someone is insulted by the truth, it is the truth that must be known. That is the noble cause of Abovetopsecret.com: to uncover the truth.

i'm surprised you asked that question bft, you know how many years the data in the text covers. even my stargate thread started its journey in an attempt to figure out what the bottomless/abyss was from revelation 9, and proto's theory would toss that all out too. i mean i JUST started to figure out that stuff only a few years ago! and now i'm supposed to pitch it all in the waste basket because it was a supposed concoction by the romans? years, literally my entire adult reading life has resulted in that thread.

And if it turns out that it were to be thrown out, then that is what it is. I would feel bad for you, and would console you. But truth must prevail. There cannot be any other option.

Now, having said that, there is no reason that most of what Proto says here cannot be correct. There is no reason that your research would be put at risk. You have focused on a rather small piece of the story: that the Romans revised history.

There is no claim as to the extent that the history was revised. Only that it was revised. We see this happen daily in our own country, so it isn't unprecedented.

There is no reason for Protos research to threaten your own. There could be a very nice dovetail there, as i said.