Mugabe welcomes Ahmadinejad to Zimbabwe

Mugabe welcomes Ahmadinejad to Zimbabwe

www.dailymail.co.uk

They are two diminutive men, short in stature but long on anti-Western rhetoric.

Yesterday two of America's staunchest opponents embraced as Robert Mugabe welcomed Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Zimbabwe.

In a ceremony full of pomp and circumstance at Harare's airport, the two leaders met, united by their politics.

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Well people i think it may already be too late. Could this be the catalyst to provoke all out WWIII. Ive mentioned over and over again about this.
Dr Carol Rosin disclosed that Dr von Braun had confided that there were steps, russia, terrorists, rogue nations all leading to their ultimate goal of weaponising space. Well i think the ball had started rolling some time ago but now is rapidly picking up pace.
World Cup soon too, everything is pointing to something very very big.

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I honestly don't see the connection between Ahmadinejad visiting Zimbabwe and WW3 starting

I'd say he's visiting there because Mugabe is probably going to ask Iran to pony up some aid money, given he couldn't run a chook raffle at an RSL as far as his country's finances go...

Talk about giving himself bad press.

This makes Iran looks worse and he only gets himself to blame.

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Me neither. I just see it as a corrupt authoritarian President meeting with a corrupt authoritarian dictator. I don't really see how this equates to WWIII. People here have interesting imaginations.

Mugabe is just buddying up to a bigger power then himself.
Ahmadinejad is a logical choice because Iran is currently enjoying the status of a pariah state. That may be bad credentials to the rest of the world but to Mugabe it's a logical choice.
Ahmadinejad is resisting western hegemony (with slightly more moral highround) and that is how Bad Bob would like to view himself.

Expect a trade deal with regards to oil and funding for more tradtional resources/minerals (What Zim doesn't have Mugabe steals from the DRC).

Nothing to see here.

Now if Ahmadinejad's visit turns out to be a diplomatic extension of China's influence in sub saharan Africa I will pay more attention. As is it is, it looks like Mugabe's kind of foreplay foreplay in seducing Arab support.

Edit to add this long addendum:

Mugabe doesn't have enough clout to have anything to do with starting WW3. If WW3 happened anyway he would act predictably enough.
Even though South Africa and the African Union are surprisingly tolereant of Mugabe, an outright provocation of war would leave bad Bob dead and buried. If anyone thinks for one second that a madman like him can screw around with the flat out HUGE international mineral investments in Sub-saharan Africa they are in for a quick lesson in blitzkrieg WTF just happened revolutions. Big mining has been running wars for longer than big oil

Also maybe Bob wants to buy balistics from Iran. Again that is a big if. And IF it happened they would be neutralised long before he found the trigger

- Honestly the entreprenuer Bob is just looking for bucks. If I were Iran I would also use a dumb as ***** dicator for whatever I could gain


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Actually this was a bit of a dumb move by Ahmadinejad. like him or not every now and again he speaks a wee bit o' sense. Even makes some very smart political gestures once in a blue moon. This will come back and bite him in the the posterior.

One would think he would shore more support in central Africa.

Again I say, look to the east, both regimes are very dependant on china.

OMW! How did i miss this? S+F!!!

Mugabe is the local warlord in chief of the Southern African region, it makes PERFECT sense that Iran want our regional support, especially now. Any conflict up north will spread south fast. Somalia, Kenya ... having Zim as an ally would allow Tehran to apply pressure to central Africa from the south too.

The only thing he could be doing is shoring up support against American military presence. SA is still friendly with west, for it's own reasons, Mugabe has no such restrictions. Let me see. Iran will provide oil and guns ... for emeralds and CASH dollars? Paying Somali warlords. Soldiers even? (for the african region)

Malema, in Venezuala (or going to) ... Chavez is big buddies with Ahmadinejad ... Malema is local politburo chief. Educational trip my arly, he's being initiated, or approved by all the leaders in this faction.

Zuma plays the hokey with the queen and Obama .. and Malema is busy with their enemies discussing .... what? Socialism? No. Mines? Nope. He's learning how it all connects, HIS place in the GLOBAL heairarchy.

Malema will be in Iran soon, save any eruption of conflict - thats a prediction. When the US and Iran get to war, SA is exactly half way between them.

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Nice logical connection there except I don't see Malema as an endurance runner. If NWO wants to use him they will set him to his task quickly and dispose of him quickly. I totally agree about Bob being the warlord in-chief and he would love to push North, he already has a strong presence in the DRC (and even the horn) he would love to show that strength locally. Expect to see more than Somali's in his ranks too; Rwandans, Congolese, Ovambo (I bet few of the occupying forces are real Zimbabweans).

Ultimately I think this is just Grand standing, even after arming Mugabe to the teeth I think his forces would be largely useless if he invoked the ire of the west, and the only reason he hasn't done so yet is because so far they have kept his hands off the mines.

Again I say look to the East. China has been supporting bob for a while. Remember those ships that got denied entry into SA harbours because they were packing small arms for Zimbabwe, they were all Chinese. At one point Bob even wanted to force Chinese Language lessons into the Zimbabwean school curiculum I don't think it happened but that's how much business they give him (Zimbabwe otherwise known as Robert Mugabe inc). China along with Russia are also the only reasons why Iran still has enough balls to do the diplomatic tango with the states.

Honestly I think this is just internal backslapping amongst the China fan club. Iran gets a few minerals maybe some raping rights in Mugabes little slice of the Congo, maybe a few troops should the manure fly. Mugabe gets China's blessing, a few more Guns, maybe some balistics and a bit of oil to do with as he wishes.

Whatever the case, interesting OP I hope to see more rreporting on this meeting although I think its going to be lost in all the other news. S+F

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www.telegraph.co.uk... tml
You were saying?
Maybe people should see beyond what you are forced to see and maybe look from a different perspective?
Now can you see what i was pointing out?

Da_ruse, endurance runner, good analagy! But frankly i didn't see him getting this far. He's a dirty option, BUT neither you nor i know his real value to them (?) ... there's enough political in fighting to make anything possible. Did you see that guy who has openly challenged Malema, Beeld article ... let me know if you need the link, but there's more news about how his family and everyone are distancing themselves from their son's statements. The ANC are such a happy family.

Another thread mentioned a uranium deal ... some minerals indeed.

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No world war 3 starting point here just a couple of political soul mates meeting . You won't see the pro Iranian government crowd who claims that anything bad said about Iran is MSM propaganda on this thread .

Cheers xpert11 .

Originally posted by jazz10
reply to post by Retrovertigo

 

www.telegraph.co.uk... tml
You were saying?
Maybe people should see beyond what you are forced to see and maybe look from a different perspective?

Now can you see what i was pointing out?

So Iran wants to prospect for and mine uranium in Zimbabwe...

And ?

I really hope Iran does develop nuclear weapons...Its about time there was some "balance" in the ME...Iran possessing nuclear weapons would put USrael back in its box for sure...

Again, no WW3 starting here, you're grasping at rather flimsy straws...

I was wrong about asking for aid, but oil for uranium sounds like a win for both countries...

And given the Telegraph's ownership, its not surprising to see an article critical or suspicious of Iran...

Edit to add - No, I still don't see what you were pointing out

P.p.s - Your link is broken...

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harryhaller can I have that link please. I kinda stopped paying attention to life for the last few days.

You may want to keep an eye on this thread as events imho will be quite evident soon. Syria, Libya and Egypt have all had a part, next would be further interest or boots on the ground. I will link this thread to a thread that just caught my attention.

Good Stuff. The political landscape in Zimbabwe is quite rough and unpredictable. I started digging on Zimbabwe and Mugabe after reading about the massive explosion at a weapons depot in the Republic of Congo last week. (one of the nations were we have a SOCOM presence.) The officials in DRC blamed the explosion on an electrical short which cause the fire that lead to the explosions. Odddd!!!

That drew me to a story regarding a retired Zimbabwe General who is also the husband of the VP under Mugabe. He died in a massive fire in his home. They blamed it on an electrical short also. That case has recently been reopened for investigation.

A retired Zimbabwean army general and key figure in internal battles over President Robert Mugabe's succession in his ZANU-PF party died in a fire at his farmhouse, official sources said on Tuesday.

General Solomon Mujuru, 67, popularly known by his guerrilla name Rex Nhongo was married to Vice-President Joice Mujuru, and was deputy head of Mugabe's liberation army ZANLA in the 1970s.

Official sources said Mujuru died on Monday night at one of his commercial farms in Beatrice, 60 km (38 miles) south of the capital Harare when his house caught fire, and the roof collapsed before he could escape.

"We are still trying to get the details but apparently he died in the fire accident," one source told Reuters, adding that the general's vice president wife was not at home.

There was no suggestion either by authorities, or Mujuru's family that the fire was anything but an accident.

Mujuru became Zimbabwe's first black military commander after independence in 1980, after serving for a few months under Rhodesia's last white general Peter Walls, retiring 1992 to take up a post in ZANU-PF's top organ, the politburo.

www.reuters.com...

Now they are saying he died before the fire.

Allies of retired General Solomon Mujuru wants a prominent South African private forensic pathologist, Dr Reggie Perumal to get to the bottom of what happened to the former army commander as information filtering suggests he may have died before a fire broke out at his Beatrice farmhouse on August 16 last year.

Mujuru's family lawyer, Thakor Kewada last week requested that Perumal be allowed to quiz local pathologists and forensic experts at the ongoing inquest into the general's death which enters day 10 tomorrow.

Regional magistrate Walter Chikwanha who is presiding over the case will make a ruling tomorrow on the application.

The late general's allies who spoke to The Standard on condition of anonymity yesterday said there was no evidence to prove that Mujuru died from inhaling carbon monoxide as stated in a pathologist report presented to the ongoing inquest into the general's death.

"When one succumbs to asphyxiation due to smoke, the lungs are supposed to be grey, but his (Mujuru's lungs) were pink, which may mean that he did not die from carbon monoxide," said a medical doctor who is a friend to the family.

allafrica.com...

The whole region is heating up and Obama's law will keep us in 4 countries specifically. Kenya and Somalia are starting to simmer too. Obama has political ties in Kenya.

This thread is old, from 2010. Why is it being dragged up again?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
This thread is old, from 2010. Why is it being dragged up again?

Just read the post above you.

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As we begin to close the doors in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and soon in Syria. New doors have been wedged open in another entirely new area. Oil Oil Oil ... Cut off dependence on traditional oil producing nations and then create your own opportunities to harvest the resources in an untouched area. Tullow oil has invested Billions to get the oil out of Uganda. The man obstacle standing in their way is the political unrest. In comes the UN and the United States spec. ops troops.

Zimbabwe could easily be set up in the same way. The whole area is ruled by dictators. Dictators that have been officially labeled by the UN and the Responsiblity to Protect Group as a detriment to their people. This is the new wave and part of a New World Order that is actually run by the UN.

Zimbabwe entered a state of violent political crisis in the aftermath of the presidential elections held in two rounds on March 29 and June 27, 2008. President Robert Mugabe led a campaign of terror against the opposition party, Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) and its supporters in the lead up to the electoral process. State-sponsored violence resulted in massive human rights violations, including rape, torture, and forced disappearance. Despite winning the June election, President Mugabe continued to implement brutal attacks against the political opposition. Responses by the United Nations and the African Union failed to undertake effective measures to address the crisis. Civil society groups, such as Human Rights Watch and International Crisis Group, swiftly responded and condemned the repression and human rights abuses of the government. Despite the establishment of a unity government through the signing of the Global Political Agreement, the situation remained dangerous as political reforms were not implemented and Mugabe’s party, the Zimbabwe African National Union – Patriotic Front (ZANU-PF) continued to engage in political violence.

This same rhetoric is being rattled all throughout that area. The same rhetoric spewed prior to our involvement in Libya.

Check their site and look at their crises maps
www.responsibilitytoprotect.org...