Belguim Bans The Burkha

The news is that the full faced veil has been banned worn by muslim women?(Their faces have never been seen?) in the relatively recently created nation called Belguim.
Are they being facist?
Is this fair?
Is this an attempt to criminalise people expressing religious belief?
The muslim spokespeople who have loud voices are attacking the decision, who is right?
I dont know ,I cant see how women would like to wear a cloak over their entire body, but apparently they do, even though in the 60's women fought for the right to burn their bras.
Are the Belgians facists?

I can understand how it may be a problem whilst driving and perhaps going through airports, but other than that I think it's unfair.

I don't see how it causes trouble to anyone who isn't wearing one.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Well, it's getting harder to dismiss as intolerant the now long list of countries that are deciding to ban the burqa. Those that do not want to budge have a harsh decision to ponder: respect the rules and integrate into the culture of the country they are now living, or enjoy full religious freedom in a country with an Islamic majority.

[edit on 22/4/2010 by Dark Ghost]

I see the Burqa as a symbol of oppression, and most likely few women care to wear them and most are forced to wear them. It creates cultural division. I don't think these laws go far enough. Hopefully this is like the laws against smoking in public, and they will grow and become more inclusive.

Originally posted by poet1b

I see the Burqa as a symbol of oppression, and most likely few women care to wear them and most are forced to wear them. It creates cultural division.

I don't believe that we can just assume that most are forced to wear them. By being brought up in a religion, it is natural for one to assume that what they are doing is right. I'm not Muslim...I can't say anything.

However, I do agree with Dark Ghost.

It is getting harder to dismiss the fact of just how many countries are now banning the item of clothing. I heard..I'm not sure but in certain countries, one has to pay a tax or something to practice their (Non-Islamic) religion?

I just found this frightening site: www.themodernreligion.com...


[edit on 22/4/2010 by BlackPoison94]

Originally posted by poet1b

I see the Burqa as a symbol of oppression, and most likely few women care to wear them and most are forced to wear them. It creates cultural division. I don't think these laws go far enough. Hopefully this is like the laws against smoking in public, and they will grow and become more inclusive.

But the argument is these women?(we have not seen their faces) feel comfortable wearing a cloak over their heads.
Their husbands feel some sort of satisfaction in their women?(we have not seen the faces) being covered from the world.
If I could have my wife face covered I would I choose it?
If I did I would know I didnt really trust her, or anyone.
If a woman asked me to cover my face I would say either you are ashamed of my ugliness or else you mistrust my ability to be loyal to you, (if I was a handsome devil) but perhaps muslims say it removes lustful thoughts from man and this is their motivation for the ordering of their nwives to wear the Burka, I do not know , perhaps a Muslim could fill us baby boomers in who were constantly confronted by Womens Lib(God Iam old) and told women were equal to men.
Now these recently arrived people have their women covered head to toe and us locals go wow if we did that we would be arressted, but these cool dudes can not only demand it ,but bypass almost every local law enforcing it.
If the average American Anglo converts to islam can we order our wives to cover themselves head to toe ?
Or is it just a law that applies to immigrants?

reply to post by Dr Conspire


Hey, I'm not too sure how I feel about the Burqa, it's from a culture that is not mine. I think so long as those wearing it are not unhappy to do so then it's fine and has no effect upon my life.

What I would like though, is a link to a news source etc for your OP.

Originally posted by jokei
reply to post by Dr Conspire

 

Hey, I'm not too sure how I feel about the Burqa, it's from a culture that is not mine. I think so long as those wearing it are not unhappy to do so then it's fine and has no effect upon my life.

What I would like though, is a link to a news source etc for your OP.

Sorry Iam too dense in link matters to oblige, it was on al Jazeera satellite news a few minutes ago,it is fact.
Sadly the Europeas have discovered too late you can only sell your soul so many times.

Originally posted by Kram09
I can understand how it may be a problem whilst driving and perhaps going through airports, but other than that I think it's unfair.

I don't see how it causes trouble to anyone who isn't wearing one.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Exactly we should all be allowed to wear head to toe cloaks if we want to.
Freedom is freedom, and should apply to all.
Vampires if they wore head to toe cloaks wouldnt have avoid the dawn to dusk restrictions, that hampered their activities.
Hey that is one hell of an idea for a movie the burka wearing vampires.
I want royalties for the supplying of the idea.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


Above the box where you write your post, there's a number of little icons, hit the one with the little globe on it, it'll ask you for a title of your link, ie: "Al Jazera News Link" hit "Ok", then it'll ask you for the URL - just copy/paste that into the box, click "Ok" - BINGO!

Just copy and paste it into your reply at worst...

Originally posted by jokei
reply to post by Dr Conspire

 

Above the box where you write your post, there's a number of little icons, hit the one with the little globe on it, it'll ask you for a title of your link, ie: "Al Jazera News Link" hit "Ok", then it'll ask you for the URL - just copy/paste that into the box, click "Ok" - BINGO!

Just copy and paste it into your reply at worst...

Thanks for the educating post...cheers

But have you seriuosly not received the news in your land of residence?

[edit on 22-4-2010 by Dr Conspire]

And it doesn't trouble anyone when it MUST be worn, or else... ?

Some consider women evil, the cause of many troubles, and this is the way to make them untouchable (as filth).

Call that a religious belief...

What if someone wearing a burqa committed a crime, their face would not be visible, therefore the person would not be identifiable. It would be comparable to someone walking around in public wearing a balaclava.
The ban, I don't think, is about opposing the expression of ones religion, rather for security reasons. It may also have to do with the countries culture and fitting into that countries culture.
I am free to draw a picture of the prophet Muhammed. If I went to a Muslim country, would I still be allowed this freedom of expression. I think not.

reply to post by Dr Conspire

Dr Conspire,

Although i think this issue deserves as much attention as possible, I am going to point out that this topic is already being discussed here..

Belgium moves to ban the burqa

Peace

Originally posted by dPD89
What if someone wearing a burqa committed a crime, their face would not be visible, therefore the person would not be identifiable. It would be comparable to someone walking around in public wearing a balaclava.
The ban, I don't think, is about opposing the expression of ones religion, rather for security reasons. It may also have to do with the countries culture and fitting into that countries culture.
I am free to draw a picture of the prophet Muhammed. If I went to a Muslim country, would I still be allowed this freedom of expression. I think not.

Natives of the western world are the "dead" read 1984, see the landscape know the laws of the capitalist machine, consumers have no face.
We are the few we are the dead.

As another person mentioned, the people who wear these, cannot be identified for a crime.

Also this type of clothing is easy to hide a bomb in!

I think it has to do with suicide bombers being part of the reason for the banning.

The burqa is a sign of your submission to Islamic culture. It is not an expression of freedom, which is alien to Islam.

The number of burkas running around is proportional to the dominance Islam holds over a culture. The more burkas you see, the more you have been made to submit.

Not only should the burkas be banned, but it should be followed up by a strong drive to apostate as many muslims as possible. The death sentence placed on apostates can only be blunted by a huge groundswell of support for souls wishing to leave Islam. Our weakness only keeps these souls enslaved to a brutal misogynistic culture.

We should be stronger as a culture. Western Civilization has much to offer.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
We should be stronger as a culture. Western Civilization has much to offer.

I don't know...I kind of lose faith in the West when I see how far radical ideologies such as White Guilt and Feminism have been exploited. How can you be strong when just by being born you are guilty of so many bad things, including being the reason for the oppression of women?

[edit on 22/4/2010 by Dark Ghost]

I, for one, agree with the idea of the security risks involved.

After all, a wanted Islamic terrorist could don such an outfit and feel free to travel all over Europe, since he could never be indentified, due to this headdress.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


And your desire to re-assert your domination over women is exactly why we should ban not only the burqa, but the hijab as well. Men caught harassing women for not having their heads covered should be send to prison for at least 10 years.

You think all of this is swell, then your daughter has to go somewhere without an escort and she gets gang raped, and then publicly beaten for allowing herself to be gang raped.

Such a fabulous world you desire.