Teapartiers: What an outrage!

Originally posted by Stewie

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

National Party? What national party?

Who are you talking about?

Do you think the TPM is a national party now?

Well, nice to see that there are three parties now, maybe you people stuck in the Dem/Repub paradigm will wake up.

Tea Party Patriots American Tea Party Movement
teapartypatriots.ning.com...

That is not a national party. Also, a few people do not represent an entire ideology of viewpoint, grasshopper.



[edit on 15-5-2010 by Stewie]

Whoever the local groups respond and answer to is the National Party. If made up of a couple dozen smaller cells makes them that much more dangerous. No leadership, no direction, no obvious agenda other then to end the USA.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


So now you are saying because a political movement has no leader, they are cells.

Yes, now we get your viewpoint.

If people do not believe in big government, big taxes, endless war they must belong to cells.

Ahhh, got it. They are terrorists!

Oh so transparent.

[edit on 5/16/2010 by endisnighe]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


The only people who want them here have an angenda. Politicians love to gain the vast illeagal poulations' support. How do they benefit us or our society, when a lot of them can't even speak English. We've had to be sensitive to their culture through means such as political correctness, but they won't even attempt to accept the any customs of American life.

Originally posted by mishigas
What I cited was a bit stronger than someone's opinion. It was a discussion of the design goals of the bill, by none other than the author.

Nope. It was an opinion.

dis·cus·sion   /dɪˈskʌʃən/ Show Spelled[dih-skuhsh-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.

You cannot have a discussion without opposing view or inquiry. Who wrote the opinion matters not. Besides, last time he was one of the authors and now he is THE author? Quick promotion.

And if he says

Kobach said criticism that the Arizona law will impose new requirements on non-citizens to carry documents proving their status is unfounded, given that every non-citizen in the United States has been required to carry such documents since Congress passed the Alien Registration Act in 1940.

“It has been a federal crime for aliens to fail to keep certain registration documents on their person,” Kobach said, adding that the Arizona law simply makes it illegal in Arizona to violate that federal law.

All the new bill does is make Arizona law mirror federal immigration law, Kobach said.

He said that any claims of an “equal protection violation” –- or racial profiling -– is also addressed in Arizona HB2162, which was signed into law last month by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

well, thats' a good starting point, as far as I'm concerned.

Why is the actual bill not a good starting point instead? Are you afraid you will not understand it for yourself? Or would you really rather I sit here and pick apart this opinion so you can move on to your next failed piece of propaganda?

Originally posted by marsvoltafan74
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

The only people who want them here have an angenda. Politicians love to gain the vast illeagal poulations' support. How do they benefit us or our society, when a lot of them can't even speak English. We've had to be sensitive to their culture through means such as political correctness, but they won't even attempt to accept the any customs of American life.

Politicians do not want them here, they can not vote. Politicians want money and money comes from big business who are the people that want illegals here. It just seems a bit odd to me to vilify a Mexican for being more loyal to Mexico but let "American" companies off the hook for...

...being more loyal to Mexico.

Yes it does make them that much more dangerous then some other group with better organization.

1. Big Government - The aura of Big Government guarantees that no larger, more powerful entity is allowed to drown out the voice of those with little or no lobbying power. Government is the claws for which makes each and every company in the USA up at night and looking over their shoulder never knowing when they are going to be targeted. Big Government guarantees things like what is going on with the mining disasters we are seeing more and more of as of late that those that work in mines are afforded the best protections Govt can offer. Big Govt makes sure that the car you drive to and from work every day won't fall apart after about 60 miles of driving. Big Govt guarantees that the medicines you take do preceisly what is says it will do and not cause you more problems. Take away Big Govt and say goodbye to protections, rights, freedoms, safety.

2. Big Taxes - How do you think this 3rd era of reconstruction of the USA is going to be financed? Must we trust The Federal Reserve time and time again to continually front us money while destroying our nation. Taxes makes sure that when your house is on fire there is someone there that can put it out, when you get robbed there is always a police officer there to make sure you are safe. If New York State cannot close a $1 Billion budget gap they will be forced to close at least 200 schools and at least 75 hospitals (about 45 - 60 schools and like a dozen and a half hospitals in NYC alone, hence the yap over those "No Soda tax" commercials running now). You want no more taxes just don't think of calling the Fire Dept when your house is on fire or calling the cops when you are attacked. Social programs like Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security, Transportation infastructure related items, if your street is busted up and totally wrecked don't call the local Dept of Public Works to fix it. If a bridge near you that you drive on is falling down don't call your Dept of Transportation rep to fix it. You better have the money to finance a 8 yr elementary school education and a 4 ye High School education after that because taxes makes sure there are facilities where your kid can learn. Your parents rely on their Social Security that they've paid decades into. Taxes pay for it.

3 Endless wars - All started on the GOP's watch and now for some moronic reason the ultra right wants to place the blame solely on Obama for starting a pair of conflicts that HE INHERITED AND DID NOT START. This is the rich
want and not the vast majority. When we finally get off of petrolchemicals for transportation, lubrication and home heating will the Wars Over Energy finally end (WE WILL BE OFF OF PETROCHEMICAL POWERED TRANSPORTATION BY 2030 AS BY 2030 THERE WILL BE NO MORE PETROLCHEMICAL POWERED TRANSPORTATION PRODUCED NEW AND THIS CAN BE TAKEN TO THE BANK!). By 2030 expect the gas station population to be reduced by at least 80% (60% in the larger markets (250,000 people plus) and be replaced by places where you drive in, they open your hood, remove your dead rechargable battery, pop in a freshly charged one, close the hood and place your old one on the charger. The first of these have begun to spring up in Southern California. Every single battery company is in development of a longlife battery for transportation application. (There is at least $250 Billion in grants readily availible right now from the Govt now to make it happen which is already earmarked for it, under an executive order signed by 43 guaranteeing it there and not for other projects).

Boeing is working on a system that will use liquid fuel to get the plane off the ground and once at cruising altitude the pilot transfers from gas to electrics and the solar panels that will be installed on the wings and fins. The next generation of the 767, 777, 787 and the upcoming 797 will feature it.

Lamborghini and Ferrari are right now developing roadgoing hybrid production supercars. On Lamborghini, the Murcielago replacement set to debut at The Mondial de l'Automobile in Paris this October will be a 700bhp V12 topping at 220mph and will cost $300,000 that will get 32mpg. Ferrari will launch a hybrid based on the current 599 GTB Fiorano that is slated to get at least 25mpg to launch by 2013/2014. Daimler, AG of Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, smart fame recently bought a 10% stake in Tesla Motors to even advance the current battery tech. GM will release the Chevrolet Volt for 2011 this October. The new Escalade-Yukon-Tahoe set for a 2014 launch will be considerably smaller. Think the 2010 GMC Terrain. The Corvette C7 due 2013 will feature a 450bhp V8 that will feature the Chrysler/GM Multi Displacement System that will only run on a 300 hp 4 Cylinder when engaged Ford will downsize its multimillion selling Explorer that will go on sale in the fall and is no bigger then the current Flex. Think 1992 - 1998 Explorer for size comparo.

Kenworth, Peterbilt, International/Osh Kosh, Western Star, DAF, MAN are all currently at work on a non petrol powered commercial vehicle which should see showrooms by the 2014-2016 timeframe. More to follow on that.

The car talk is needed because according to the 2007 movie "W" it revealed a once classified meeting of 43, Cheney, Rice that "Iran has 40% of the world's oil reserves and if we can capture it it's empire". Islamic extremists groups have already said that as long as we stop killing Muslims and Arabs for oil that they will join with us and unite instead of wanting death and bloodshed. As at the end of the day what our problems are is the exact same problems and issues the rest of the world faces on the average day. Besides, in 2006 The Russian Federation and People's Republic of China was deputized to prevent the US from running through the Mid East the same way Germany did in the EU in WWII.


[edit on 17-5-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

So now you are saying because a political movement has no leader, they are cells.

Yes, now we get your viewpoint.

If people do not believe in big government, big taxes, endless war they must belong to cells.

Ahhh, got it. They are terrorists!

Oh so transparent.

[edit on 5/16/2010 by endisnighe]

When the groups entire architecture is designed eriely and exactly like that of a terrorist network makes them suspiciousable of being a terrorist group. The old dynamic of the terrorist cell is cut off the head the body withers and dies, nowadays cut off the head and a new one rises in it's place. In example, take out device a and device b then becomes device a and so forth. Take out one another activates.

They are ran the same way you run a terrorist cell. No leadership, no direction, no accountability to a national group makes them too dangerous. At least the state based malitia groups answer to a national group which has a direct link to The Federal Government. 100 different cells makes the possiblilty for 100 incidents with no way to prosecute the larger group.
Why do you think faked groups like al-Qaida has like 200 different chapters so that you can't takedown the larger group at once. Axe one and the rest can take the slack.

For anyone to continally defend the Tea Group while flatout refusing to acknowledge that there is a racist element to the group decrees you (according to Federal law) culpable for anything that happens with the "Trading with the enemies Act of 1942".

Everyone wants to contiually spout off the crud that this is a great group fails to realize that as long as racists exist in the group the group is no better then The Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Brotherhood, Black Panthers, Crips, Bloods, MS-13 (Mexican Mafia), every single racist street gang and motorcycle gang and any other racist group.

In order for people to take The United States seriously about getting rid of slavery The United States Federal Government first had to distance, disassociate itself and be willing to prosecute racist groups. Ever since that happened not one claim of The United States Federal Government being a racist sponsor has been levied because the claim has no bearing. Until The Tea Group does the same it will continue to get lumped in the same category as a racist group.

Yet, Arizona requires papers please and bans etchnic studies and still not one peep about those people's freedom's being trampled upon yet further proof that the scope of the Tea Group is racist since what's occuring there isn't affecting wealthy White America in suburbia. The "Actions speak louder then words or in this case, INACTION speaks louder then words.

If you build your group a platform based on protecting rights and claiming to be for the protection of rights while being selective in whose rights you wish to protect makes the entire group racist.

What is up with the "I want my country back"? Can someone explain to be what half brained nonsense this is, the nation never left, that's right, how can II be so dumb, an African American is President, that's why racism. Also, "Keep Government out of my Medicare", but umm, Medicare is administered by The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services a subsidiary and wholly owned, operated and controlled entity of The United States Dept. Of Health & Human Services so to demand Govt out of Medicare is a moronic statement to begin with.

Forward the following link to all Tea Party chapters :

Courtesy : The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services :
www.cms.gov...

Tell them this is who owns and controls Medicare and Medicaid.

[edit on 20-5-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

[edit on 20-5-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


My, my how you do go on! The Teaparty must strike fear in your heart to lash out with such outlandish statements as you do. Good.

You should be fearful. The days of TPTB are numbered. Your brothers and sisters in the NWO crowd need to realize just who you are attempting to marginalize.

The teaparty movement includes the best armed and ready civilian force ever assembled on the face of the Earth, including many current and former US military leaders. Tremble in your boots!


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Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

My, my how you do go on! The Teaparty must strike fear in your heart to lash out with such outlandish statements as you do. Good.

You should be fearful. The days of TPTB are numbered. Your brothers and sisters in the NWO crowd need to realize just who you are attempting to marginalize.

The teaparty movement includes the best armed and ready civilian force ever assembled on the face of the Earth, including many current and former US military leaders. Tremble in your boots!

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First and foremost my allegiance is sworn to The United States Of America, her flag and her people and to try and lump me into a NWO azzhat is wrong.

The best assembled force? Try and tell that to The Chinese Dawn, The Sons Of Liberty and both will laugh at your face. What about PRC's 300,000,000 man army?

Those who deny and flat out refuse that racist elements are amongst the Tea Group are the sheep being herded towards chaos. The blind leading the blind.

True illumination is dictated by common sense with intelligent and independent though and action based in logic and not by propaganda things the Tea Group clearly has none of. If we are to leave everything up to The Tea Group to fix the world's ails means we all are doomed.

If The Tea Party has nothing to hide why are they so secretive? Why turn a blind eye to the racist elements amongst you?

Until they actually do something that helps out the vast majority and not just wealthy White America then I'll consider taking them seriously. Until then no.

If The Tea Group started saying that say, the computer and internet was evil every single Tea Member will jump right in feet first. If you were told the sky is pink and that the national colours are orange, burgundy and black y'all would believe it.