Iranian Threat

At what time do we, as a nation, decide to intervene in the plans of an evil entity? Einstein once said he fears not those who do evil, but those who do nothing to stop it. It seems that this current administration is content riding the fence the whole way. But, the devil owns the fence. Even socialist nations such as China are more aggressive at dealing with threats now then the socialist wing of our government. What do you think?

And further, if military means are not the answer, what is? Just want to avoid the history of appeasement.reply to post by Heisenberg

The real question is why did the west take out the democratically elected government of Iran and impose the Shah . That act has lead us down the path we now find ourselves in , we only have our governments to blame .

As for why the west took out the democratically elected government of Iran , well it was do to big oil companies not wanting the Iranian people owning there own oil fields .



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Yeah, might be right but what is the correct thing to do with the threat now?reply to post by Max_TO

reply to post by Heisenberg


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Tell me how Iran is Evil.. Or exactly how is it more evil than the US? Last time I checked they were doing very little wrong apart from where they happen to be in the world..

Just because Iran happens to be the most strategically important region for the future of Eurasian energy and military control for the next half century and has been demonized by the Nations that want to control that Oil.. Namely the US and France.. Doesn't actually mean it is evil..

It means that you have sucked so much propaganda that you have bypassed the Geopolitical strategy the US has for the destabilization of the Eurasian continent in order to keep itself as the most superior military force.. This btw includes killing.. And Yes.. the numbers are in the..MILLIONS of innocent civilians..

And Socialist Government? Every time I hear a Yank say the word 'Socialist' in a sentence, I have to laugh because 95% of you don't even know what the word means... Its a buzz word for you guys.. No fixed Definition.. Its quite funny actually.. The US government isn't socialist.. And if it is, please explain how.. And if you can somehow word some kind of argument... At least try and make sure that it is actual socialism you're on about..

So basically, my point is, who the hell are you to say that Iran is Evil and must go the way of Iraq.. ie 1,000,000+ (OVER ONE MILLION) dead civilians as a result of an Imperial war for power and profit??

And why is it the US doesn't deserve to be invaded and nuked to bits for the crimes and double standards it has so willfully committed since its emergence as a global power..

Please explain..

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Your moral core must be a pacifist. And your rant is right out of the Haight Ashbury days of long hair and flops. Iran is evil by nature and do pose a real threat to the US. Would you sacrifice yourself for Iranian leadership? Sounds like it. The current ideology of the majority of congress, white house, and courts is one of socialism. Perhaps, in the end, you need to read up on your history and definitions, old chap!reply to post by Dermo

Originally posted by Heisenberg
Iran is evil by nature and do pose a real threat to the US. Would you sacrifice yourself for Iranian leadership? Sounds like it. The current ideology of the majority of congress, white house, and courts is one of socialism. Perhaps, in the end, you need to read up on your history and definitions, old chap!

Any human should be a pacifist at heart.. We're supposed to want to evolve from our violent beginnings.. And is there a problem with the fact that I hate the US policy of imperial wars and collateral damage?

You would think quite differently about it if you weren't a Yank and didn't have some sort of Superiority/Aryan Race complex pushed on you..

And I have a very good grasp on what Socialism is My Dear.. You still haven't given me a real example of how the US is Socialist btw.. So..?

Also.. You still haven't given me a reason as to how Iran is any more Evil than the US and deserves to be destroyed any more than the US does..

You have basically answered absolutely none of my questions..

Ill give you one more chance before I completely lose interest in this thread and begin to see it for what it is.. The ramblings of a Propagandized Imperialist..



And who the hell is Sean Pennhead? Should I know this person? I do live on the other side of the world..

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Originally posted by Dermo

Any human should be a pacifist at heart.. We're supposed to want to evolve from our violent beginnings.. And is there a problem with the fact that I hate the US policy of imperial wars and collateral damage?

The mal-practiced foreign policies of the US have nothing to do with this thread. This thread is about a nation whose radical leadership is on the verge of possessing a weapon capable of inciting the last world war.

You would think quite differently about it if you weren't a Yank and didn't have some sort of Superiority/Aryan Race complex pushed on you..

That statement does nothing but show ignorance on your part. I have no further comment...

Originally posted by lambs to lions
That statement does nothing but show ignorance on your part.

Really?

Then why does every second or third American on this site seem to think its their birthright to have more than Starving Africans or Poorer Uneducated central Americans simply because they were born inside your borders.. Even worse.. Just read through the comments in a plethora of video's on youtube and see how people from outside your country get our views of you guys..

So I take it that You don't admit that the whole "America.. Hell Yeah!!!" Patriotism has been encouraged by your government through propaganda like every other empire in history in order to create an elevated sense of worth over your "Enemies" resulting in the support of your Nations war machine..??

That my friend is exactly what Im on about.. And if you don't see it, then you might want to rethink that "Ignorance" comment..

Im listening to Chauvinist muppets day in, day out on this site and the views of the American ones really take the biscuit..

Others talk about Nationalism and defending their way of life.. Yours talk about wiping out countries..

Prove me wrong..



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Iranian Threat?

From what I see everywhere, the only people really pushing this nonsense are Israel, The US and a handful of other zionist shills in Europe - no matter what their own people have to say on the matter!
Do I consider the Iranians, their leaders or the ordinary people, a threat to me? Absolutely not.
There again, I tend to treat others with a little respect and am not prepared to swindle or kill others to gain what they have to enrich myself, something our own governments practice on a very large scale indeed. Faced with that outlook and it's historical normality when it comes to moral / criminal acts, is it any wonder that us westerners may be eyed with suspicion or hostility?
I have always found that treating others, even those who my government tells me are my enemy, with a little respect and understanding, goes a long way to building bridges and friendship.
The Iranians, like us, want to live long and happy lives surrounded by friends and family. In that respect they really are no different from us, so why should we act with aggression towards them? Because some slimeball in a suit wants their land / resources?

This is not appeasement, this is realism. My true enemies are those who would lie to me and expect me to attack others who have done me no harm, for the sake of a few riches and power.

Two things: #1. Would you agree that radical islamists want to kill Westerners? YES. If not, go over there and tell the crazies where you are from, and #2. Is the leader of Iran a radical? YES. Go sell crazy some other place because we are all stocked up. If you think that they "want" to be your friend, you and your country are in desperate need of another Churchill and fast.reply to post by Britguy

reply to post by Heisenberg


let me tell you one thing, we are the ones who should cry iran is evil because we are the ones that are suffering from them for a long time , ever since the shiat imams came into power , we are the neighbors , the arab nation , whom the Iranians hate most , especially the shiat , i heard a lot of their imams statements recorded and are on youtube saying that it is ok and a must for a shiat to kill a sunni.

i am from UAE and iran has been occupying our three islands for a long time and we can't do anything about it because we are a peaceful nation.

so what are you crying about sir , yall are thousands of miles away and have nothing to worry about.

so please live and let live.

peace

Originally posted by Heisenberg
Two things: #1. Would you agree that radical islamists want to kill Westerners? YES. If not, go over there and tell the crazies where you are from, and #2. Is the leader of Iran a radical? YES. Go sell crazy some other place because we are all stocked up. If you think that they "want" to be your friend, you and your country are in desperate need of another Churchill and fast.reply to post by Britguy

 

Why do these people want to kill westerners?

Hmmm.. Now thats a hard one.. Its surprising how all that rape and pillage turns against one.. Really though, isn't it..

Empirical ideals historically come crashing down around those who employ them.. If you want to keep pushing your Country to oppress others for no other reason than the propaganda has done its job.. then work away, you will reap what you sow.. Some day the shoe will be on the other foot..

Other than that, as the Germans would quite fittingly say in this situation.. Du solltet etwas Geschichte lernen..



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Clearly you have made up your mind about America and Americans, so arguing with you is a mute point. However, I don't think it is smart to reference the comment section under some music video on youtube. You need not remind me how much of the world views the United States as an evil empire. Its sad how quickly people can forget about the sacrifices that hundreds of thousands of US soldiers made in WWI and WWII. They gave their health and lives to save strangers all over Europe. At the time the people of Europe were appreciative of that effort. It is too bad that appreciation hasn't been passed through the generations to people like yourself. But unlike you, I'll refrain from throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all of you are the same, David Hasselhoff is alright with me!

reply to post by Max_TO


Well to answer your question......the democratically elected government was taken out and the Shah was put in place because the former wanted to nationalize Iranian oil production and kick out foriegn oil interests/companies. The British especially did not like that idea. Most of the issues we are facing in the middle east can be traced back to oil. It is THE most important aspect of US foreign policy and it is truly the evil lifeblood of the 21st century economy. The wealthiest family in the world i.e. the Rockefellers are responsible for much of American society you see today. This family can be traced back to the AMA, higher education, and so many other areas. They truly did and still do control not only America but much of the goings on in the world.

reply to post by lambs to lions


I have my opinions about Americans and 95% of them are good as I have been to the US several times.. I am only stating facts about the outlook way too many of you guys seem to have about other nations.. And you can't deny any of them to be completely fair. The US has the same ratio of Bigots and Idiots as anywhere else in the world.. Only problem is that the US is a massive place and the Bigots seem to be overly extreme and violent in their views when it comes to killing third world innocents.. Its as simple as that..

You don't hear me saying anything bad about any of the other million things in the US do you? You just find it hard to hear the criticism of others in your country? I understand that and respect it 100%.

And please.. Im 25 years old, there's no point in bring up WW1 and WW2 lest we begin naming out all the things that our Great great great grandfathers did for each other over the centuries..

Ireland was a neutral country, I already speak German, thanks for your Grandfather for helping to stop the spread of communism etc etc.. lol

Everyone's ancestors and nations have made sacrifices.. Im Irish, there's no point in trying to say that we haven't had it extremely hard throughout the millennia and of course I respect what the US has done.. Especially halting Communism..

The only problem I have with this is the fact that you guys really like to milk it.. And remember this quote..'You can die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".. That my friend is the direction the US empire has taken since the end of the Cold War and no amount of reiterating historical fact is going to change that..

@ The Hoff..

He's a Yank now..

however, I don't think it is smart to reference the comment section under some music video on youtube.

"Plethora" isn't a Band.. Its a word..

And it means 'An Over-Abundance Of'..

So.. not smart to reference what?





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Imperial threat? Try international peacekeepers and global humanitarians, first. How much does Iran give in foreign aid? HMMM. None. But, their laws are quite nice, though. Very respectful of human rights, especially their treatment of young men and their women. And homosexuals, if you are for the rights of all, then what about them. CUZ in ole Iran, they would be beheaded!reply to post by Dermo

Originally posted by Heisenberg
Imperial threat? Try international peacekeepers and global humanitarians, first. How much does Iran give in foreign aid? HMMM. None. But, their laws are quite nice, though. Very respectful of human rights, especially their treatment of young men and their women. And homosexuals, if you are for the rights of all, then what about them. CUZ in ole Iran, they would be beheaded!

Yea?

And what exactly is that to you? These are the reasons for a Shock and Awe attack?

How many of the people who are under these "Evil" laws would be killed in the US onslaught?

A Million? Two Million? Five Million?

Do you think they would prefer to live under slightly oppressive laws or not at all?

And I know plenty of Iranians.. Iran is not in any way as bad as the US media makes it out to be.. Nowhere near it to be perfectly honest..

And btw.. It was the fault of the US for many of the new oppressive laws that are in use in Iran as a result of the botch job the US made when it overthrew the Iranian government in the late 70's and attempted to create a US friendly government which was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED OUT!!

And why would a third would country give aid?

Its not that long ago when Women didn't have a vote in the US.. Or Black people couldn't sit in a White person's bus or school.. Should we have invaded you guys then in order to change these things?

Slightly oppressive laws? Funny how rationalization transforms people. Yeah, there is a reason why people migrate to the US from all countries....not too many countries migrate to Iran. Wonder why? Could be those pesky "slightly" oppressive laws. I also love how you use fuzzy math in talking about casualities in Iraq. All dem millions of people we killed with dem bombs. BTW, when was the last time US beheaded someone for being gay, black, or female. In addition, we can't buy our women or choose a child to be a bride. So, are your irish eyes still smiling? reply to post by Dermo