Which Bases has or had classified Black Projects?

I was wondering which bases below has more (or had) classified "Black Project" aircraft designs like explained in the Youtube vid by Michael Schrat like here?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is it the following below in order?

1. Groom Lake/AREA-51
2. Tonopah Test Range
3. Palmdale Plant 42
4. Edwards AFB

He doesnt actually explain which bases had these top secret projects though.
Later on in that video, he talks about the Palmdale Plant 42 and Edwards. Are these projects now moved there instead of the TNX or Groom bases?

Thanks.

We could tell you, But then we'd have to ........

Many Top secret projects are being moved to private contractors and labs as to avoid any pesky FOIA requests. Besides the many AF bases doing top secret reasearch, the Navy has its fingers in many pies..., not to mention the many civilian government secret divisions.

Dashen is correct. Many classified and higher projects are being subbed to contractors or, the government is leasing contractor facilitys and placing their projects on what amounts to private property and therefore out of the public scope. And any FOIA requests will end there.

Theres about seven bases i checked... The lizards were living in the desert aka greys.... S4 is real and they teleported aliens along time ago using very little techology.... when they came the technology they got was updated ....i have all the bases ... if your looking they have denfences that make up places in front which means your answer will be off by the truth

If you expand beyond aerospace projects, there are a LOT of bases with 'black' projects going on.

As far as that goes, there are a lot of private contractors that manage SCI projects on their own facilities, some of them aerospace projects. Most especially Boeing and LockMar.

Many bases have black projects. Also, many of the black projects discussed on YouTube videos are pure fantasy.

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The video in the first post was a mixture of truth and bull, real photos and photoshop. Mix a little truth in the mix so you don't sound like a nutcase, oh and wear a tie.

I wonder how fast you can get from Palmdale to Groom lake on the secret underground train. ;-) And why do they fly a Janet from Palmdale on Monday and Friday if they have that fancy underground train.....

I need to dig through my copy of Red Eagles, but I don't recall there being much controversy regarding General Bond's death.

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They build the toys in Palmdale or in the case of the Beast of Kandahar, Adelanto They test the toys at Groom. The TTR has it's share of secrets, but I think they are not as black as Groom Lake since the place is very easy to observe. That said, nobody got a shot of the Beast of Kandahar even though there was a press release when the new recon squad was established there.

I dont think they build them in Palmdale because that area is very open to commercial air traffic...

Almost every jetliner taking off from Burbank, CA overflies the PMD VOR.
With that said, I dont think I want airliners to fly near a Black Project facility...Thats why I understand they chose Groom or TNX, because the area is so deep into the desert and restricted airspace is much much easier to control than PMD because Groom is not very close to major airports. PMD on the other hand, is close to civilian airports.

But I dont know....really....I may be wrong.





[edit on 19-4-2010 by darpa999]

[edit on 19-4-2010 by darpa999]

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They use cargo planes to move the aircraft to Groom Lake from Palmdale. With the wings removed, a plane is easy to transport. There are also rather famous photographs of aircraft being trucked to Groom Lake in wooden crates. The crate was so big that the truck needed escorts. However, escorted loads are very common in Nevada since much mining gear is moved that way. Your first clue an escorted load is heading towards you is the NHP driving in your lane, head on.

The RQ-170 was manufactured in Adelanto?

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General Atomics
9779 Yucca Rd
Adelanto, CA,
92301-2265

I've driven past it and you can't see much of anything. The building is very low profile and there is no airfield there. Either they haul the plane to Grey Butte or El Mirage, or maybe they fly it out of Southern California Logistics. You can't fly a UAV just anywhere since they have this tendency to become lawn darts, at least much more than manned aircraft. However, Southern California Logistics has a national guard wing there flying predators. They post notams when flying UAVs. Or quite possibly it only flew at the TTR.

You can plug the address into Google Earth or Google Maps. It comes up with the right location. The street view looks reasonable as well, though I had to rotate it 180 degrees.

Here is the current NOTAM for KVCV:


04/011 - AIRSPACE SEE ZLA 04/104 UNMANNED ACFT. 19 APR 14:00 2010 UNTIL 24 APR 01:00 2010.
CREATED: 16 APR 18:32 2010

08/017 - AIRSPACE AEROBATIC AREA 6500/BLW 1 NMR
VCV075012.5 1500-0205 DLY. WIE UNTIL 07 JUL 02:05 2010. CREATED: 31 AUG 16:51
2009

Times are GMT. Subtract seven hours to get local time. I've driven to KVCV a few times, but never caught anything cool flying there other than the Omega tanker. I'm told you can slip them a $10 spot and get a tour of the facilities. The same goes for Mojave, though it was only $5 when I did it about 4 years ago.

The General Atomics El Mirage facility seems to be dedicated to the Army version of the Predator. It is also the least secure of the facilities. The Grey Butte facility is a bit more remote. If they didn't fly it at the TTR, then Grey Butte would be my next guess. Supposedly the CIA trains out there as well, but this is of course not possible to verify. Grey Butte has concertina wire around the perimeter. It looks quite secure, though a friend drove up to the gate once and they opened it because we guess it looked liked a car they recognized. [The human element will blow your security every time.] The El Mirage facility has guards that make the camo dudes look like a lean, mean fighting force.

Both facilities don't like photographers and will threaten to send the sheriff. Of course, I never had the sheriff actually show up. Even some jerk from the El Mirage junkyard threatened to call the sheriff, to which I said "Hey, be my guest." [Hello sheriff, somebody is photographing my junk from the street. CLICK!] There is little these facilities can do since you are on public land, and they damn well know if anyone actually got arrested for photographing their facility, the photographer would make a federal case out of it. The last thing General Atomics wants is publicity. All that said, you can easily hang back from the facilities until something is flying, then swoop in, take a few shots and leave. For El Mirage, you can park west of the facility on a dirt road and nobody bothers you. They fly the Army predators at least half a mile past the base in either direction. Grey Butte isn't quite as easy for snooping since they own so much land around their test flight route. For Grey Butte, you pretty much have to hang back until you spot a UAV, then rush in and take your shots, then get out. The flight route goes very close to the road leading to the base.

NAWC China Lake Calif does a lot of the Navy Black projects.

They also provided radar testing for black projects using captured or back engineered foreign radars they have at China Lake.

They can easily do this because there is open desert that can be crossed at night by aircraft from AREA 51

Originally posted by darpa999
I dont think they build them in Palmdale because that area is very open to commercial air traffic...

Almost every jetliner taking off from Burbank, CA overflies the PMD VOR.
With that said, I dont think I want airliners to fly near a Black Project facility...Thats why I understand they chose Groom or TNX, because the area is so deep into the desert and restricted airspace is much much easier to control than PMD because Groom is not very close to major airports. PMD on the other hand, is close to civilian airports.

But I dont know....really....I may be wrong.

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You seem to have a pretty good track record of being wrong about anything regarding Area 51/Groom Lake and black projects.

Skunk Works facilities in Burbank and Palmdale, and the Antelope Valley area have the epicenter for classified aircraft projects, and still are to some degree. Tonopah and Groom Lake are not manufacturing centers like the Skunk Works and Plant 42 is.


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They fly the Beech Janets occasionally to Inyo-Kern, which is probably for China Lake operations.

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At times there has been scheduled commercial flights to Palmdale. It comes and goes. I think Skywest was the most recent to set up service and then shut it down. KPMD is owned by LAX, so they encourage commercial service there. When such service exists, you can park in the lot and watch the Janets land, see new aircraft tested, etc. Otherwise, you have to park by the sod farm to watch planes land there.

So not only do commercial aircraft overfly KPMD, they have and probably will again have commercial passenger service there.

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I'd like to add White Sands Missile Range to that list too. It was the test location of Project Silverbug and numerous missile and uninhabited air vehicles. It's the active test location for a bunch of directed energy weapons. Its published restricted airspace goes from the surface to space.

It hosted a shuttle landing once, and its lake bed runways are some of the longest in the world.

DE

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I'm retired now but many black ops projects are and have been since I worked in the 1990's outsourced to private contractors and are compartmentalized so the "right hand" doesn't know what the "left hand" is doing.

There is a GE facility in southern Ohio that supposedly worked (or works) on secret projects. There is information scattered about the Internet, but this Web site seems to have compiled it all in one place.

Ohio Exploration Society - GE Peebles Facility

I live in Ohio but never heard of this place until I saw it on that Web site. If I'm ever in that area, I plan to check it out for myself.

Originally posted by olderthandirtlady
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I'm retired now but many black ops projects are and have been since I worked in the 1990's outsourced to private contractors and are compartmentalized so the "right hand" doesn't know what the "left hand" is doing.

You betcha. We've done a number of high-speed one-off designs for several groups, not an idea what they were used for in most cases, in other cases it's sort of hard to obscure what you're going to do with it.

The sucky part is that you rarely hear any feedback. We have gotten a couple of 'attaboys' that have to hang in the SCIF here. But all they say is "you did a good job on [random codename] project on [date] which was a key part of the success of a larger operation", more or less, sometimes with a sidenote along the lines of "the users of [project] stated 'it just worked', Bravo Zulu"