North Europe hit by volcanic ash

There's an implication in the beginning of this thread that somehow Americans don't care about this volcanic ash news. Well actually it's all we are hearing about even on mainstream media (MSNBC, The Weather Channel, etc.)

I am very interested, and I do care, and I'm American. So let's stop with these broad generalizations please.

With the earthquakes and volcanoes and everything else happening, it's clear that the Earth is rebelling against the negativity of this place.

And now with Goldman Sachs being outed, this is just the beginning of all negativity rising to the surface in preparation for our ascension to higher dimensions.

The earth is just letting us all know: "3D earth is now closed! Start releasing your concepts of limitation, separation and destruction so you can be ready for something better. We are done here!"

Hey guys,

I'm not going into the whole 2012, Niburu, volcanic spread, hoax discussion, but i just found out another angle on this that could be usefull. Don't know if it's posted already, if so, my excuses.

Think about it : the entire European airspace is closed. The skies are clear. The only things flying are low altitude helos, gliders and private flights (basically guys in Cessna's). Anything on a higher level is either scientific probes (like Britain flew one today), military traffic (although i know for a fact that they are also under restrictions) or..... not ours!!!!

So, for ufo spotting this is an excellent break! If you spot anything moving tonight in the skies, please report. There is not so much out there right now, so we have the opportunity to make some clear observations.

They can't blame your 'fake pic or vid' on air traffic, and in a lesser degree they can't on military airtraffic.. so what you film or photograph tonight in european airspace is gold!

Maybe this is the the best opportunity we ever had for catching the real thing. Most of the distraction is gone!

Go out there and start filming!!!!

10 miles West of LHR.
17th April 2010

Went outside this evening at at maybe 1915 and 2115 you could smell the ash at ground level.

In between and after that, no smell.

Clear sky, no funny sunset, and no effects on the visibility of the setting Moon.

But definately a smell of ash on two occasions this evening.

Second occasion, after sunset, was much stronger.
Probably a 'dump' of colder air as the thermals switched off.

Which makes me wonder - does the lower level ash fall out of the sky after sunset?

Thinks... no thermals to keep it up, condensation of water due to much lower temperature = fallout.

"but we had an ash cloud yesterday, and it lasted overnight"

Yes, but was it held up by an inversion layer?

Can we work around the ash cloud problem by only flying at night?

Question - would it be much safer to only fly at night?

I think it's time to send a test plane up overnight to test the theory.

At present we're pretty ignorant about the situation.
Let's learn.

The point here is not the current volcano, but Katla, it's caldera is 10% the size of yellowstone, a planet killer, the two are linked and the focus should rest on is katla going to go off, how bad will it be and what can we do if it does?

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, so my apologies if it has. I came across this article and thought I would bring it to the attention of those in the area of this volcano:

Note: My intent is to inform of a possibility, not to claim it as certainty or to participate/encourage fear-mongering.

Fluoride Dangers from Icelandic Ash Cloud

"The last time Eyjafjallajokull had an episode was in 1821, pouring tonnes of ash containing toxic fluoride gas into the atmosphere. It lasted not 24 hours, but until 1823, causing the deaths of many cattle and sheep through fluor poisoning. Eyjafjallajokull has had four eruptions in the last thousand years: in 920, 1612, 1821-1823 and now in 2010. All of the previous eruptions were precursors to more massive activity from the neighbouring Katla volcano but as yet geologists have not registered any seismic activity."

Source: www.iceagenow.com...

Originally posted by Jordan River
I just wanted to point out the 2012 scenario again. Either you believe in niburu, planet x, islam, Judaism, Christianity, mayans, etc etc. # is starting. if you can't tell now then you are obviously blind. deny ignorance. Nature is telling us

# is starting again? The end of times is here? Again?
When will this end?

Originally posted by logicalview

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by phoenix103
Lets stick to the facts, eh?

the only fact is you are a sceptic

Gotta love(always!) ATS:

ignorance vs rationalism vs ignorance vs skepiticism...............etc

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escapism vs realism

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reply to post by cgats


I've looked briefly at a comparison of the two volcanoes, and it seems that Katla's eruptions usually follow this one by 2 - 3 years. Again, it's not concrete, just an estimate.

Edit to add: The above takes into account small eruptions as well, not just the "big ones".

I would imagine though you could get a good feel for the approximate timing based on plotting on a timeline each occurrence of an eruption at both sites over the last few thousand years or so. That should give a ball park figure of when it *may* erupt.

It may already be available, I'll have to look.

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Good point.

IMHO this stupid cloud is spreading on different levels, you have to take into account the difference between high level and low level winds that carry the ash.

The ash cloud that is spreading now is reported to be at relatively low level, with some peeks into the upper airspace. This can however change due to the recent reports of another outburst of this volcanoe reaching 8 kms altitude.

The Brits flew some missions today (in a piston prop) that indicate ' a whole lot of muck up there'.

KLM is transferring some 737's from Germany to AMS in order for them to be serviced and ready to be put in play when this blows over. They will also take measurements. However, these flights will be also at low altitude.

I'm sure that the airforces around here are doing their thing, however, no news from that. OPSEC

The only high altitude info we have here now is satelite. And, aside from the commercial weather stuff, available on web, that's also OPSEC.

You have to remind that this thing does not show up on a weather radar. A weather radar measures humidity in clouds. Volcanic dust is dry.

Other than that, the particles in such cloud are so small that they defy the wavelenght of ATC and even some military tracking sat's too. They are tracking this this thing from space, with both visual, IR, and synth ap. In addition they send prop planes to sample, like the Brits That's the way to do it.






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Katla erupting 2 years from now? 2012!? Mayan prophecy, Ash blocking the sun for 3 days? Its all slotting together nicely..

Looks like Ketla is starting to become active

Tremor Plot

Originally posted by NotAgain
Looks like Ketla is starting to become active

Tremor Plot

So what if Katla blows ? Can we survive that ?

reply to post by bigyin

Sure we can, there have been bigger eruptions during historic times and although in some cases there were many victims we, humans, survived, like all other species.

reply to post by Regenstorm

Well, I didn't knew that you wanted to be convinced of something.

You asked for satellite images, I thought the ones I posted were what you wanted, specially considering that they are specifically for that purpose.

July 2009, news report on Ice News about possible signs of eruption way back then.....

www.icenews.is...-8315

I don't think Katla will erupt so soon if it is going to. Probably in the next 12 months or so is a bigger chance.

I suppose there is a certain fudge on the part of the NATS, While quite rightly, they use the Jumbo all engine failures, as an example of the dangers of the vocanic ash, that particular incident actually resolved itself when, what was once sticky goo in the engine, solidified in the coldness of the dead engine into a light sort of agregate, that then got detached and blown out of the engine. That allowed the engines to be restarted eventually, thankfully the crew never gave up on trying to restart the engines, even though the drama didn't end there, since they still had to land with not a lot of visual.

Hi, I`m near Edinburgh, Scotland. Just went out my back garden and could smell a faint sulphur smell i the air, it was also out the front too.

Can anyone tell me if it`s likely to be hazardous, or could just be a sulphury smell that isn`t to be worried about.

Well I am in Germany right now and I don't see anything like a cloud in the sky.

It also seems really strange to block all air traffic and close down all airports in the EU.

Is this in any terms the " normal " way to react to an vulcano blowing smoke, or ash?

It could, in my opinion, much rather be that someone just doesn't want anyone to see what's really something going on up there!



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reply to post by psilo simon

From what I heard on TV, it should be considered as the same as being in an area with high pollution levels, no worse than that.

Just avoid doing exercise if you feel that smell.

I see so many saying there is some conspiracy with all the air traffic being shut down across Europe due to the ash. There is no conspiracy here folks. Air traffic operates on a kind of "invisible" road in the sky. There are corridors and flight paths that are followed to make sure planes don't fly into each other or cause congestion and long delays. So if you shut down a particular corridor then it starts a snowball effect that leads to what we have now. So while you might not have any ash in lets say Germany you have ash that is in that particular corridor going into or out of Germany. Also some of you wondering how planes fly through deserts where there might be sand in the air. I think that might have something to do with the difference in make up of sand and ash and sand probably isn't going rise as far up into the sky. I could be wrong about the sand but it makes sense to me anyway. I don't know if anyone has posted anything like this on this thread but I just thought I would share my thoughts. I am not an air traffic controller so I could very well be wrong but this is my understanding of how air travel works. Feel free to shoot this down if I am wrong.

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