VIDEO: Gunshots Fired In Immediate Aftermath Of Polish Plane Crash

reply to post by CestLaVie


Gorit samolet.mp4 that's in latin lettera whuch means burning plane. Yes I believe that the thread by trueAmerican that discusses the shots in that video uses video with the same name. That thread has similar name as this one

Originally posted by FreeTruth_9
Someone posted a video on YouTube zooming in on the shooter. Check it out.

www.youtube.com...

At the end of the video you can actually see a circled out zoom view of the shooter's hand holding the revolver and the flash of the shot out of the muzzle. It is directed slightly downward, meaning that he was either aiming at a standing nearby witness or shooting from a further distance an injured passenger.


The simulated CGI animation video of the accident doesn't lead one to believe there would be many survivors.


CGI animation of official 'Pilot Error' version of the accident



That crash simulation video shows it ending in a ball of fire, but the trees near where it fell don't look as if they caught on fire. Furthermore, other video of the crash site, while showing smoldering and small fires being put out by firemen, also shows twigs and branches strewn all over the place, which were not at all burned.


Other footage of the crash site



Such video footage is quite embarrassing insofar as there are absolutely NO visible passenger bodies or even body parts near the wreckage. It is enough to make me wonder if the Polish Presidential flight was not shot down elsewhere, the Russian army having plenty of same model planes which it could readily disguise as the original one and crash it using drone remote flight guidance. This was on a fully controlled army base.


It is even possible that the original plane, with all of its serial numbers, engine numbers, etc. was kept by the Russians during the "refit" at their factory last December, and that the Polish government was supplied an identical plane. This would make the wreckage all the more authentic, the replacement unit having been blown out of the sky somewhere else at high altitude?


This is admittedly just speculation, but the absence of any passengers reminds me of the Pentagon false flag vanishing airliner.

Regarding the probable TRUTH of the accounts of the assassination of Adrij Mendierej who filmed the controversial crash site video with the gunshots - - all you need to do is ask Vladimir Putin.


After all, why would the head of the country's Secret Service want to lie ? Because there's a reason it is called the "SECRET" Service ? Their business is SECRECY. That is why PUTIN was chosen to give us ALL THE TRUTH about the crash. What better source of open communication and honest disclosure could be found ?


Folks who won't use their own mind out of fear of being misguided or manipulated - - the day you get Factual, Credible, Genuine, Actual elements upon which to base your opinion will NEVER COME. That is the name of the game. Your only hope to have so much as an inkling as to what is happening is using your own logic, trusting your instincts and laboriously analyzing every element you can wrap your mind around.


Sure, you'll never know for sure 100% what exactly happened in detail, and sometimes not even in general. But if your own life depended upon your knowing at least something about what happened, then I venture to bet that you'd dare speculate a fair bit more than lazily waiting for others to prove THE TRUTH. For those in a position to prove didn't get there thanks to the truth.


1. In Adrij Mendierej's video there are pistol shots being fired a body height.

2. There is a fair probability that subsequently to shooting that video Adrij Mendierej met an unfortunate end.

3. The official crash story doesn't stack up: fog never stopped an instrument flight, a runway said to be too short for the plane, the trajectory showing a loss of flight controls, runway lighting removed right after the crash, the airstrip was in a secluded army base, no bodies are anywhere to be seen, the remains are said to be unidentifiable although there next to no fire. And -- the nation's top SPY was entrusted with the investigation.

4. The Polish government was causing the NWO agenda multiple setbacks.

5. This flight was "self-invited" while the only officially invited Pole by Putin was his main political opponent.

6. They died upon insisting for a Russian admission of guilt for massacring thousands of Poles - - clearly something which didn't go over well.

7. The plane had been in Russian hands last December for a full overhaul and going through where anything could have happened.

8. Mainstream media focused almost exclusively on the Tragic Accident and Sad Mourning of the Polish population - - echoing Putin's version without contest and even claiming his rise in popularity among Poles...

9. Heads of State worldwide can consider this a widely telegraphed warning of what happens when you don't tow the line of the NWO masters.

10. World populations are further conditioned to believe just about anything told them, no matter how implausible nor how many holes are in the scripted story.

I think you're overreacting.

Firstly, if the footage was some serious evidence, Russia would react very quickly. But not murdering the one and only who recorded it. The 'murderer' who killed polish victims were rescuers, they're caught on polish footage made by polish camera man. WHY ISN'T HE DEAD????

Secondly, to all polish ppl speaking about bad Russians - turn the TV on and listen carefully (maybe you should wash your ears too). I know polish nation used to be 'the smartest and the best educated in all disciplines, like investigations, aviation etc, but in daily news there was a real specialist.
One of simulation made by polish tv station TVN:
www.youtube.com...
It is said, that visibility was above 400-500 metres. Below the plane were only clouds, so they couldn't even see where they are and where to land.
"What pilot saw we try recreate in flight simulator - but the plane we have is newer and better equipped'. landing route is impossible to state. We missed runway, we are about 30 metres above the earth. all we can do is get higher to save us. Later airport in Warsaw, A category, which is equipped with all the new appliances.

Besides: Did you know, that the plane, which crashed, was made about 20 years ago? This kind of planes was made by Russian in 60', our was 'younger'. I'm asking Americans: are you aware how well equipped is the plane of Barrack Obama? Yes? Then, compare: polish plane, 20 years old, please imagine: it's like installing Windows 7 on Atari. Or running in flip-flops. Or.. I don't know how to explain it, so that all of you understand: plane's software was new, but the plane was too old to handle it.

And, if some of you didn't noticed, I've already gave the full translation of the footage, here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

And, to be honest, I will write my Bachelor's Degree about all the conspiracy theories I've read. It's sooo interesting Especially, that I didn't even know that if you make up some Russin-sounding name like Andriej whatever and then kill him off , you will make a cheap sensation. It's funny, you will be next to kill, if you have this footage on your yt-profile!!!11oneone!11eleven.

So, latest news: the old man in this footage, named Sasza Antsyforov, was killed by special trained (by KGB) BEARS. It's not an accident! Yeah right.

Originally posted by Diddo
I think you're overreacting...

So, latest news: the old man in this footage, named Sasza Antsyforov, was killed by special trained (by KGB) BEARS. It's not an accident! Yeah right.

Hi Diddo,


Thanks for your reasoned reply, and you are right, I am probably overreacting. But I'd rather overreact than stand by complacently when an "Incident" of unprecedented nature befalls a nation.


You are right. Who knows if any such person ever existed? It could of course be a planted disinformation video, shot on location but manipulated. There is no proof of anything, not even that this was the genuine plane carrying the Polish Government. We can't even be sure that the news releases have actually been vetted by the official investigator Vladimir Putin.


But there is a time where you must cast aside cynicism, or you'll never learn or know anything. You might come to some false conclusions, but one can always correct these later. The other option it to wait for someone else, someone expert, convincing, technical, authoritative - - to tell you what is and what is not. Sorry, but that is not my method for arriving at a grasp on reality. Too many interests are involved, and to great pressures can be exercised on anyone wielding such influence over public opinion.


I also note an honorable defense of Russia and Russians. Please don't take my above post as representing anything anti-Russian. It would have been the same thing no matter what nation was in the "host" position. There is the obvious 3rd party theory, whereby The Illuminati families commissioned this HIT in hopes of starting WWIII. That is a distinct possibility. Only then why has Russia remained silent so far. Do you really think that Vladimir Putin, on Thursday April 22nd is going to announce that a certain group of Elite ruling families just decapitated an entire European nation's government for disruptive geo-strategic motives ?


If so he should come out with it. But he is himself, as most other Political Leaders today, a servant of the selfsame. So this leave out that theory, because this happening on a Russian Army base, there has to have been at least a measure of Russian complicity. The only way to launder their reputation after this, is by outing the real criminals - or taking the rap.


Regarding the old man being mauled by a Bear, the very symbol of Russia, we can see this as either a symbolic warning to anyone coming close to or participating remotely with attempts to discredit Russian military operations of any nature whatsoever - - a typical GRU / Russian Mafia countermeasure. Or it could have been planted disinformation to discredit the film maker's death, to be assumed to be as equally false and contrived ? Either way there isn't so far anything convincing me of Russia's innocence in this event. Saying Russians aren't evil, Russia isn't always the bad buy, does nothing to prove or even argue logically that Russia had no part - as instigators or executioners - in the deaths of the Polish Power Elite.


GS

reply to post by Diddo


yeah, you're funny! let's just laugh everything off and deny everything, i smell disinfo. how come you didnt answer my question about 0:58 of the movie? if you really russian/polish you would at least hear clearly and loudly "idite na hui ot siuda". And about "ne ubivaite.." there's another poster that confirmed that. so how come you have not full translation?

Kak zovut tvoevo uchitelia angliskogo yazika?
can you translate that?


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I'm Pole, not Russian.

I'm not saying that I belive every single word which was said by polish TV/government. I do admit there is something about the accident, but killing killed are for me symptoms of panic and overreacting - really, there WERE polish reporters, don't you think that when something were wrong there, they would record it and show it in tv, or at least BE DEAD like the Andriejew whatevercalled? Btw, about him: the information that he is dead is made up by polish panicking children and released only in the internet by someone who tried to proove his lies. There are NO PROOFS of his death, or even there are no proofs he even exist.
I'm really not sure what happened with this plane, but tell me: where is any sense in killing killed people? The plane turned upside down while hitting the ground, so imagine what happened with the people inside it! I really DON'T think that anyone survived the catastrophy. Did you even see the footage with subtitles 'don't kill us'? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE, that a man who was in the plane while it was hitting the ground and spinning around, how is it possible that this man SHOUTED? I recommend you to imagine that you are burned, crushed and fragmented: how is it possible that you SHOUT?


I admit there could be some bomb who caused the accident. But I know what happened in my country before the accident, so I don't exclude even the mistaken decision made by the president.
www.joemonster.org...
Fireman: Ira, sit!
President: Irasit is very nervous.
Yes, his intelligence was stunning.

I rather wait - yes, wait - until they release some more information from black boxes. Then, whether they'll do it or not - I will worry.

I know it's hard to belive, that anyone could take 96 important ppl and put them into coming down plane. Ats I said, try to install Windows 7 on Atari, then you'll know why plane's device wasn't able to land in fog.

Btw, some Poles tried to accuse Barrack Obama, that he threw a bomb into volcano, so that the cloud covered Europa and he didn't have to come to the Kaczyński's funeral. Should I belive it?

reply to post by Diddo


Ok, please lets continue the conversation, did you see the video of shooter zoomed in?

www.youtube.com...

look at the top left of the circle at the end. tell me you cannot see a gun going off INTO THE GROUND. why is someone shooting a gun into the ground in the video? please elaborate your theory.

also, human body can survive alot. especially if they were lucky and fastened their sitbelts. its not like there's a fireball that ignites and burns everything to death. its just a explosion.

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Just an explosion? I wonder, what the effect of a blast wave caused by the fuel in the plane would have been on a human body. Im thinking organs crushed by over presure, bodies TORN from or through thier seat belts just from the detonation let alone the impact , not to mention the burns. If there was anyone alive after that, they wouldnt have been alive for very blasted long I can assure you, certainly not without immediate and extensive medical assistance. No one , and I mean NO ONE walks away from a smash up of that magnitude, hell most often no one even gets wheeled away... not while breathing any way .

reply to post by TrueBrit


www.philly.com...

newsinfo.inquirer.net...

plane crash survivors.

still no answer to the real question im asking, why is there someone shooting at the ground in the video? are you blind?
why these deniers always avoid the real question and talk about something else thats irrelevant? someone shooting at the ground is relevant. people screaming is relevant. your theory on how noone ever escapes plane crashes? irrelevant, lets go on with conversation and please try to stay on topic.

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OK...I'll bite.

May I be the first to say, no matter how hard I look (or how many times I watch it) I can not see a gun being fired at the ground.

Please...anyone...can you point this out?

Because a circled blob in the middle of a bad camera-phone clip is not doing this theory justice in my eyes.

I see nothing that looks like a man holding anything...namely, a gun.

reply to post by Mr Mask


you dont see the shot? look in the top left corner of that little circle. i didnt see it at first either, but there's definitely a shot being fired downwards. look more times im not messing w/ you i had to look multiple times myself. it was hard to see. just look for what looks like smoke coming out downwards.

edit: you dont see a man, yo just see the shot downwards.

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To be honest: maybe I'm blind, but I don't see anything on this footage. Isn't it so, that you see/hear what you want to see/hear?

Like here: www.youtube.com... I belive I'm a pie, and you?

Please, draw a silhouette of the murderer for me, because I DON'T SEE HIM.

I'm not saying that nothing happened, but have you heard the shouting of man 'nie zabijajcie' (dont kill)? It's very clear and loud. How is it possible that after the crash he has strength for shouting? They could even eat him alive, really, and he would only moan..

Fuel not explode 'in a big way'? www.youtube.com... It's russian TU-whatever. Look how it burns immediately.

Second thing: why they didn't show any bodies in TV? Imagine, that your mother/father left this morning, and flew somewhere. Then, you heard there was a crash. And - ta daaam - you see his damaged bodies in the TV, his hand on the tree, his body bleeding somewhere in grass. Would it be nice for you? If they didn't show bodies in TV, it doesn't mean they weren't there.

edit:
So if you don't see a man, but only a light, could it be that it's just a little explosion in plane, not a Russian murderer, right?

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reply to post by Diddo


top left of the circle at 0:15 do you see by that white pole do you see the smoke? no i dont see a gun either, all i see is smoke that looks like a shot going downwards and a sound of a shot.. weird. looks like someone shot a gun downwards to me.

also, i didnt see no smoke or fire from the plane in that video, maybe there was no explosion? there's defintiely nothing close to what the video you presented shows.

and yes, im aware of what you wanna hear is what you hear thing. when i listen to that video i hear im blue dabudi dabudai. and i dont believe im a pie. but what about what i see? there's more then just me seeing this i know they just havent logged in. why do i have to fight this by myself?
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So if you don't see a man, but only a light, could it be that it's just a little explosion in plane, not a Russian murderer, right?

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How can you belive in something which is of so bad quality, that I would even belive that this is a magical pony disapearing in a cloud of glitter? This could be explosing plane body (like in 1:27 of the film i gave), but why not, if we don't know exactly, we can claim it's anything. It depends only on your imagination

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nevermind i do see a hand and a gun. and the hand recoils back with the gun after the shot im sorry you people are blind. it must be unicorns yea. this thread is goin nowhere.

We'll all be able to see a lot better with the new unshook version of the video - this is really fascinating and cant wait until someone subpoenas the original file from Youtube.

www.youtube.com...

Thanks for that link!

Okay, so this is my first post, so be gentle please!

I also found another video where they point out figures in the background on the opposite side that the author of the video is. I hadn't noticed them before until I saw this video.

Video

It's the third one down. I have no idea what it says (I don't speak/read Polish or Russian). Translation please perhaps? It does seem obvious, though, that they are pointing out the different figures in the video and possibly hinting towards a survivor by the debris (though I can't imagine anyone surviving, but you never know).

And with the unshaken video just linked, you can see the figures even more clearly.

I'm not sure what to make of this situation yet. It does seem odd...I'm thinking about asking my boss about it (he's from Poland). I'm skeptical about the assassination story though. How did we get the videographer's name? Where did it come from? Why are we able to view this video at all if it did show something that certain people didn't want to be seen?

The figures you see in the 'better' version are rescuers - you can also see them in footage of polish cameraman (they're doing something with plane's body). You know, black clothes and white something on head (helmet or whatever). I have seen them even in polish TV, so I don't think they are suspected of killing killed - if they were, why did I saw them in TV?

I already gave translation to this footage, look at page 8.

Originally posted by Getsmart
all you need to do is ask Vladimir Putin.


After all, why would the head of the country's Secret Service want to lie

See, you can't be expected to be taken seriously when you so blatantly misrepresent facts...


As for the video with the zoomed in gunshot, it's too hard to see anything due to the quality. There is potentially some kind of weapon that seems to recoil upwards suggesting a shot into the ground - but I can't even see the weapon, or the hand, or the person - or anything. All I can see is some fuzzy pixels moving upwards a bit.