chicken or egg, which came first (I KNOW)

you misses gaea can i call you gaea your a fool without being too insulting the bible is not supposed to be turned into your opinion you have no understanding of the bible jesus and bhudda cannot be the same soul no reincarnation only incarnation. did bhudda believe in heaven? where does the soul go when it dies? answer me these questions is there a hell? when is the end of the world is there an end to the world? at what point does one become enlightened can someone become enlightened without god, who is god, is there an ultimate creator? does bhudda believe in god?

reply to post by Paradoxos



First, I am a man, Gaea is the greek goddes of the earth. And please, do not tell me i have no understanding of the Bible when i have read it 8 times from cover to cover, and other versions about 9 times from cover to cover. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools and went to church EVERY day as a result, and even as a young boy, things just never added up. But I would never tell anyone not to read it, because at the core, it's teachings are great and necessary to be connected with the spiritual world. And you are right, They were not reincarnated, you are absolutely right about that. But they were from the same origin, the creative god force, the great conciousness. And they both did not believe in heaven. that was a human misinterpretation of the word "heaven" itself. Heaven, if you do research, was always used in reference to the sky and universe above, not some place reserved for the good children of god. But, there is absolutely a spiritual world were the soul goes when your physical body dies. But you must not get this confused with a "heaven" or " hell". Both men did not believe in either. The idea of hell, again with research, was created by humans for control and rule of the population. We as humans are here on earth to learn from experience. Much more is learned from negative rather than positive experience. So no matter what one did, no matter how evil, he will not be judged, so long as the individual learned from the experience. It is society that has the hard time forgiving. And no one can become enlightened without god, or the understanding of god. There is an ultimate creator, and yes, buddha did believe in it. But again, as both men said, worship and religion are absolutely wrong. You do not need an insitution such as religion to be connected to the great creative, divine god force. And the idea of the end of the world, well that is up for interpretation. We see the material earth as everything, when both men taught the invisible world is everything, and they way to get there while on earth is through the mind, hence prayer and meditation. The world will have an end, but in no way, shape or form, will it be like the book of revelation states. But again, do not take it from me friend, you must discover this on your own.....have an open heart and search. There is so much more information on this it cant be put into a simple reply to your post quite honestly...i am trying desperatley to sum up what is so great.


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[edit on 16-4-2010 by Enigami]

If you believe in evolution than it's a pretty easy guess. The egg.

Getting back to the chicken and the egg debate


What ever the egg/chicken represents ..(in the beginning) had no form ...no substance

It was the egg/chicken that gave birth to its imaginary, reflection of it's own self

(It burst out of itself).....

And so separateness and duality was born

Time, space ....past and future

When one becomes two.... it creates an infinite amount of possibilities...movement and change ...."existence"

Yet 2 is 1 ....and 1 is still one ....

the chicken and the egg are both one and the same


By the way it was a little bird that told me that......

Excuse the pun but i didnt think eggs could come...??

Originally posted by BriggsBU

Originally posted by Sippy Cup
reply to post by Daniem

 

All thought you present a species “chicken “and its origin. It’s not meant like that!

IF a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it does it make a sound? That type of question.


Plus do you “KNOW” this information or truth or was you feed this information?

[edit on 15-4-2010 by Sippy Cup]

Scientifically there is an answer to the question of "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound". The answer lies in the definition of sound. Scientifically, for sound to exist, there must be an observer to perceive that sound. Therefore, if there is nothing and no one to perceive the sound of the tree falling, it makes no sound.

Actually, scientifically, what constitutes an observer? Is an observer only a human? If a bear is present, wouldn't that count? In fact, what is an observer but a collection of quantum processes organized into a pattern that we have labelled "life." We have defined the pattern to be generalized enough to apply to ourselves, to other animals, to single-celled organisms and to plants. In fact, since a forest is a collection of multiple trees, plants, and incidental fauna, it would be impossible for a tree to fall in a "forest" and for it not to be in the presence of an "observer." Therefore, your conclusion is wrong, if a tree falls in the forest, it always makes a sound.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
The Egg came first. Birds are descendant from dinosaurs (which also laid eggs)... ergo the Egg came before the Chook.

IRM

That's all fine and dandy, but the question remains the same but with new subjects. Instead of a chicken, we must now just replace it with dinosaur. What came first, the dinosaur or the dinosaur egg? Surely the dinosaur must nurture the egg just as the chicken.

the modern day chicken evolved from some reptile way back when, some lizard thing laid an egg and boom out pops the chicken. so therefore the egg came first even though it was not known as a "Chicken egg" at the time.

reply to post by without_prejudice

Actually, scientifically, what constitutes an observer? Is an observer only a human? If a bear is present, wouldn't that count? In fact, what is an observer but a collection of quantum processes organized into a pattern that we have labelled "life."

In deed a very good question...

Is it the species, that is the observer???
Or is it something else, observing through the species ???

I am Aware of the parts of my body, and the environment I interact with.

But the funny thing is, that neither my body, that is any part, such as a Hand, Foot, eye or Brain, nor for that matter the Environment I interact with is Aware of ME, that is the Awareness...

So what is Observing, as my body is NOT Aware of anything.

See if your hand or foot is Aware of you?

See if your eye or Brain is Aware of you?


I personally see any species as decoding systems, in a given environment.

"Biological Robotics" that we observe an experience through ?

What’s your thoughts on this ???

Now that Chicken and egg thingy that is another story...

In order to know the Scientific answer to that,
we need to know the 3 Components of the Equation
and Not just 2.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


No I Am the first: you are second. I got your attention, and you responded: so which came first : Sippy Cup or the Resentehalo...? And you agree with me. Most on this topic have lost the orginal idea, and went in the direction of "evolution" ...great fine. The egg (metaphorically) can not contain the maker. something outside of the egg aka "maker" creates the egg, the egg cannot be without something making it. Maintaining it, nurturing it so the universe cannot be without something creating it? who created the creator? And how is the creator able to create in an a non existing thing, as the universe? how is such a being able to be the only one ? Lose your mind......where did the creator come from? must have a creator and that creator must have a creator...it will never end. No matter how far you travel, no matter how you fast you drink you fav drink it will never end, never stop…a creator must have a lab to create, this lab is what me and you are created in.
We cannot just be… life (me and you). I don’t care how many ways you twist the creation of you and me, the answer can never be answered.
If we are alien breed genetically altered apes, or just made from elements already available in the universe. Where is the beginning? How is such a stage set, where do these elements come from? Where do these alien(s) come from how is it they were formed and grown into complex beings as they are?
Our God is an alien to us!

reply to post by tylermbell


If I was a God I would not hatch myself.

So the chicken came FIRST.

The chicken and egg happened at the same time

reply to post by ElscottHavoc


the reproduction strategy of external incubation is nothing new. Its even customizable just like a taco... in soft and hard shell.

im afraid you dont understand the question your asking.

reply to post by webpirate


Ok I came from an egg…..where did you come from “ o” you say an egg too, well then we both come from eggs, aint that somthings! So where did the “EGG MAKER” come from?
Can you front me a few $

reply to post by Sippy Cup


The Egg. The egg starts off as a one cell organism untill it differentiates, begins growing and dividing as it grows into a chick(en). Simple life came before more complex life.

I don't know if there were giant prehistoric chickens that gave live birth or not but I always heard:

The chicken got layed and then the egg.

its an old wives tale, don't flame me.

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