Jordan's King Says Israel-Hezbollah-Lebanon War May Be "Imminent"

reply to post by Aeons


did you watch my boxing match ? you seem to know of my game plan

i thought i would lighten up the thread.

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Sources close to Hizbullah have told the Kuwaiti daily Al-Rai that during their Damascus meeting two months ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad, and Hizbullah secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah decided that if Israel harmed Lebanon it would lead to Syrian involvement, and that if it harmed Syria it would lead to Iranian involvement.

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reply to post by JanusFIN


The Arabs are not united behind Iran. They view Iran with suspicion. If anything they probably hope that Israel and Iran destroy each other.

The SCO has its own problems as well. Russia and China have a number of issues between them, not the least is China calling Siberia the "Northern Resource Area". Russia knows at some point China is going to challenge them for Siberia. I suspect that at some point in the future, in the next decade, Russia, India, and maybe a few others are going to have a face off with China.

I also predict a cooling of relations between the EU and the US. I am not even sure NATO will survive the next 20 years. Instead I think an Anglo-American commonwealth will be the next big power bloc to emerge and it may have its own issues with the EU.

The next 20 years are going to be a mess.

BS - Iran is in bed with all the Pan-Islamist Statists. The leaders merely fancy themselves as the obvious Caliphate. Which puts them at odds for who gets to be the biggest King. Which should not be mistaken for the differing countries not having common goals.

reply to post by Aeons


The Saudis are pan Islamist with their brand of Wahabi Sunni Islam

They don't like Iran or Shiite Islam at all.

If Israel didn't exist, these two would be killing each other and Iraq would be the frontlines of the war.

The differences between Shiites and Sunnis, especially Wahabis, are fairly big.





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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by JanusFIN

 

. Instead I think an Anglo-American commonwealth will be the next big power bloc to emerge and it may have its own issues with the EU.

The next 20 years are going to be a mess.

God I hope not, I'll have a hell of a job getting my ex and the kids to move to mainland Europe, what would I prioritize sunny beautiful beaches or an efficiently organised society, hmm bit of both and go to France, possible.

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And yet, they are still all playing the same game for the same reason with the same big lotto win at the end of it.

Their religion makes it clear that you do not side with a non-Muslim against Muslims. That means that they have a cultural duty to side with each other, all other things being equal.

The leaders are all signed onto the same overall cultural concepts of Human Rights as Per Islam. An actual document at that.

Iran had Osama's son and several of his organization in house arrest - and then they all "escaped." They were let go. Because, they have diplomatic and economic ties that transcend religion, while at the same time the religion ties them together to bolster each other against all us other non-Muslims.

There are differences in local variations of the religion.

And the people who care the most about these diplomatic ties are only nominally going to give a rats ass about religion. They care about MONEY and POWER. That region is valuable as a trade and transportation intersection. They could cause chaos by shutting down or controlling trade and transportation between every other region on the planet. That is worth cooperating for.

it cannot be ignored however that Iran has taken the lead in the war against israel's existance. Since it has always been an arab-israeli war, iran no doubt has many arabs supporting its cause. Iran has many proxies throughout the mid east. Gaza Strip, West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen.. all arabs. Syria is arab. after egypt made peace with israel, iran took up the banner and has been leading the fight ever since. there are also those groups not-aligned with iran per say but with the ideology who would also join the fight. Somali islamists, palestinian islamists, afghan and pakistani islamists.. Jordan and Turkey are both on the verge of being downright hostile to the jewish state. dont kid yourself, is iran veiwed with suspecion by some like the saudis, yes they are. the saudis are pariahs in their own region because of their alliance with the americans and their wahhabist brand of islam. Do the "persians" have alot of arab friends? yes they do...

The Saudis are playing all positions on the field. Don't be fooled.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

I agree that Arab Nations are far from united about deeling with Iran, but they seems to be more united than ever for deeling with Palestinians. Its all about how Iran can manage its bilateral ties amongst other Arab nations.

I have follow SCO history closely from the day it was made.

SCO has been very cooperative and its very functional, thanks to Mr Putin and his huge vision about it. China have permanent minister level member placed in Kreml, and from Moscow there is always someone from Russian government placed in Bejing. That we can call as very close cooperation!

All latest military tech is mostly shared - and from top to bottom - their military is similary organized to work in close cooperation. Monthly training between armies have been happening for years now.

China and Russia has found very good deal in their global works, so when China is concerning about its oil and gas - Russia is mostly driving its weaponry and nuclear technology, at same time and in same directions. It has worked well and both have won.

Also new pipelines builded between Russia and China are ready and in action, giving them backbone to their bilateral ties. Idea of "Multipolarism" was first made by Mr Putin, when in beginning of year 2000 was clear, that USA wil build its future for idea of hegemony and domination of worlds resources - It was answer and soon China accepted that very warmly.

All in the recent geopolitical guestions China and Russia has shown same stand, and like we just saw in Iran - it seems to be unbreakable. In Caucasus and also in Israeli guestions there is no great differences in their views to be found. Usually when other country says something about some issue - other keep its mouth shut.

No offence my friend, but I cant see that this developement of SCO will change in near future, but it will grow and its safety guarantees will soon make matter in all parts of the world, and in this great game from worlds resources. I think peoples are making huge failure by dealing those countries separatetly - not as one - in all geostrategical important guestions.

They will be as one - so long that USA will last and is driving its policy towards world domination. After era of USA everything can change again.

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The few Arab friends they do have would slit their throats as soon as Israel was gone.

The Arabs finally freed themselves from the Turks less than 100 years ago. They have no desire to be under the yoke of Persia.

Before the Europeans started meddling in the Middle East, Persia and Turkey used to go back and forth over Iraq. The Arabs don't want anymore of that. They had enough of it for almost 600 years.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

Wasnt it so that between Turkey and Persia was Kurds, and that caused mostly the problem in border areas? I can be wrong, but problem about Kurdistan and Kurds is the historical sand in their shoes - witch doesnt exist anymore - or so long that Iraq is united country... Just wondering.

reply to post by JanusFIN


The Kurds have historically been a thorn in the side of Persia and the Turks, but the conflict over Mesopotamia was strategic and religious.

Many of the Shiite holy cities were in Mesopotamia and whoever controlled Baghdad also gained a level of prestige. The Turks fought the Persians as much in Iraq as they fought the Europeans in the Balkans.

They also fought over the Caucasus until the Russians showed up and drove them both out. Georgians and other caucasians served as slave soldiers, known as Ghulams and rose to very powerful postions in the Persian empire.

It was a very violent and dark period, compared to the Golden Age of Islam that existed before the arrival of the Turks and Mongols.

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Ah....the Mythical Golden Age.

You should look at the length of life and rulership of the leaders in the area. The Golden Age wasn't good for your health.

reply to post by Aeons


It was Golden for that time in history.

Europe was a mess, much worse off than the Caliphate. Baghdad before the Mongols showed up was the best and brightest of the human cities, it would not be till the Renaissance that Europe would have such cities.

But the Mongols did. So did the Chinese. The leaders of the Caliphate had a lifespan of what.....2 years after taking leadership?

These great cities were founded on human trafficking - The Arabs take first place in persistent slavery to found their empires and fortunes. The "Golden Age" is not an exception.

This Golden Age is predicated on the STEALING of cities created by others. That were then driven into the ground in 150 years after the founding of the Caliphate.

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The Romans, Egyptians, Ancient Persians, and many others all built great cities on the backs of slaves.

I get slavery is bad, but slave trading empires had golden ages.

What the Mongols did was far worse, crushing empires from China to Russia. The death toll from their conquests was unmatched until World War 2.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


oh really..

en.wikipedia.org...

Algeria
in early September 2000, diplomatic relations between Algeria and Iran were re-established. Relations continued to strengthen rapidly after that to the extent that in 2002 Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani and Algerian Joint Chief of Staff Muhamed al- Imari Wednesday signed an agreement for military and technical cooperation in Iran . In the recent 2006 UN vote on Iran's nuclear programme, Algeria abstained from voting .
Bahrain
Recently the countries are beginning to enjoy closer relations again and have engaged in many joint economic ventures. Iran has been severely critical of Bahrain hosting the US navy Fifth Fleet within the Persian Gulf.
Egypt
While trade relations slowly improved during the 1990s, Khaled al-Islambouli was honored for a second time in 2001 "with a huge new mural" in Tehran. Two years later, in late 2003, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami met with the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Geneva. Khatami openly invited Mubarak to Iran, but Mubarak refused to make such a trip or normalize relations until all "public tributes" to Islambouli were "erased". In early 2004, Iran agreed to change the offending street name to Muhammad al-Durrah, a 12-year-old boy who was alleged by Palestinians to have been killed by the IDF in the opening days of the Second Intifada
Iraq
Since the fall of Saddam Hussein and the second Iraq war, Iran has been a close alley to Iraq's new government and has established full diplomatic relations with Iraq. There has been an exponential increase in trade and tourism between the two countries. Iran was the first country in the middle east to establish full diplomatic relations with the new Iraq government. President Ahmadinejad has visited Baghdad, and on numerous occasions the Iraqi leadership has visited Tehran
Jordan
On September 2 and 3, 2003, King Abdullah II visited Tehran, making him the first Jordanian king to visit "Tehran since the launching of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979
Kuwait
Bilateral relations were gradually strengthened, with exchanges of Iranian and Kuwaiti political and economic delegations leading to the signing of several economic and trade agreements. In February 2006, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vistied Kuwait opening a new chapter in relations between the two countries. The well reported visit was the first to Kuwait by a high-ranking Iranian official in 27 years
Lebanon
After all parties of the Lebanese government reached a consensus as part of the Doha Agreement, Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki traveled to Lebanon and welcomed the agreement as a "great achievement" for the Lebanese people. This was followed by Lebanon President visit to Tehran in 2008 and the signing of a military and economic agreement between the two countries.
Libya
Libya broke rank with most of the Arab states when it came out in support of Iran during the Iran–Iraq War
Oman
Since then peaceful ties have continued and expanded
Palestine
Iran suggests that all Israeli 'occupied territory' is either given back to their respective countries (ex. Golan Heights back to Syria) or is replaced with a Palestinian state. Iran also feels that Jerusalem should returned to the Palestinians
Qatar
The Iranian community in Qatar, although large, is well integrated and has not posed a threat to the regime. Today relations between the two countries are cordial
Sudan
During the last week of April 2006, Sudanese President Omar Hasan Ahmad al-Bashir met with a number of Iranian public figures in Tehran, including the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In a joint news conference with al-Bashir on 24 April, Ahmadinejad explained to the public his belief that "expansion of ties between the two countries serves the interests of both nations, the region, and the Islamic world, particularly in terms of boosting peace and stability
Syria
On February 17, 2007, Presidents Ahmadinejad and Assad met in Tehran. Ahmadinejad afterwards declared that they would form an alliance to combat US and Israeli conspiracies against the Islamic world
Tunisia
By 2000, trade relations between the two nations reached USD 73 million. The following year, on April 19, 2001, Tunisian prime minister Muhammad al-Ghanoushe visited Tehran on "an official visit" to sign a new joint trade agreement with his counterpart.
UAE
Iranian investors have a wide presence in the UAE accounting for 10 percent of the Arab country’s population. Based on recent statistics nearly 400,000 Iranians live in the UAE running 10,000 small business firms.[34] Trade between Dubai and Iran tripled to $12 billion from 2005 to 2009
Western Sahara
On February 27, 1980, Iran gave formal recognition to the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic as the legitimate government of all Western Sahara. They have continued their support for the Polisario Front ever since

The only arab countries the Iranians dont have good or great relations with is Morrocco, Saudi Arabia and Yemen...

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Aeons

 

The Romans, Egyptians, Ancient Persians, and many others all built great cities on the backs of slaves.

I get slavery is bad, but slave trading empires had golden ages.

What the Mongols did was far worse, crushing empires from China to Russia. The death toll from their conquests was unmatched until World War 2.

And Hitler was a Pussy Cat compared to Stalin.

The "Golden Age" of Islam is a myth built on Islam taking up cities and societies that were already there.