G. Edward Griffin Goes On Record in Video About Chemtrails Conspiracy

Originally posted by NOTHING 4 NO ONE

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by NOTHING 4 NO ONE
YOU STUPID F_IN MORON.

so I can have the pleasure of kikn ur ass

I guess lack of evidence about chemtrails makes some people crazy with rage. I've already had to deal with it several times in this very thread. This is evidently what happens when you believe in unsupported conspiracy theories: psychotic rage.

Oh no not another mental masturbater. Geez you guys are the quintessential example of blind men covering your eyes to reason. You persistently think you're at the top because of something that is not supposed to be known to us leaves YOU with the luxury of NOT having to prove anything. So you spout off your institutionalized "education" from a system that is openly available to everyone falsely believing that your intelligence is second to none. Well now donaldrumsfeld ( aldrum)traditional drummer, whoever you are. Go somewhere else. It enrages men to be told by lil boys what we are seeing is not what we're seeing no matter what the conditions are. You are like religious people that can not be reasoned with in the midst of empirical evidence. I'd be embarrassed by your "drumset", by the way, all mismatched and minimal... kinda like your thinking.

Once again it seems I have to deal with someone incapable of delivering up anything other than insults. Rage, insults... anything but presenting evidence. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that the trails you see behind airplanes from 35K feet away are exactly what you say they are. True, I have the "luxury" of not having to prove anything and you're going to have to deliver up something greater than your reasoning. Odd though that you compare us to the religious since you're the ones who have zealous beliefs with no presentable evidence. Anyway, don't let me interrupt your furious insultathon.

[edit on 16-4-2010 by traditionaldrummer]

Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by exile1981

 

Actually, modern engines make contrails more likely

As aircraft engines become more fuel efficient, contrails will form more frequently at lower flight levels because exhaust plumes of more efficient engines are cooler for the same water content (see Section 3.2.4.1). The overall efficiency h (Cumpsty, 1997) with which engines convert fuel combustion heat into propulsion of cruising subsonic aircraft was close to 0.22 in the 1950s, near 0.37 for modern engines in the early 1990s, and may reach 0.5 for new engines to be built by 2010 (see Figure 3-22). An increase of h from 0.3 to 0.5 in a standard atmosphere increases the threshold formation temperature of contrails by about 2.8 K (equivalent to 700-m lower altitude) (Schumann, 1996a).

Parameters of Future Changes in Aircraft-Produced Aerosol and Cloudiness (worth reading through in full

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Look guy, we're all for the existence and acknowledgement of contrails. Hell, I've seen them form off the aerilons of wings all the time when I look out the window of the plane i'm flying in. What's sinister is the guys fighting tooth and nail for the normality of chemtrails.

There is NO such evidence.

Weather radar on both the East and West coast seem to dispute your statement.

Shall I link the post? Or, trust you to go back and find it?

No I read it... You didn't address it. You simply copied and pasted from wiki more than likely.

Now, chaff. So what?

Aluminum bundles found in the brain have been linked to alzheimer's disease.


I don't imagine dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid or ethylene diamine is healthy for you, but hey... I'll trust whatever studies you throw at us. Imagine all the ground water contaminants found decades later. How about prescription drugs found not to help, but worsen heart attack risk being advertised and marketed for years.


You miss two things I've noticed... Imagination and common sense. Both denote intelligence, so I would argue you're lacking much of it as well.


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We are trying, not sure why sometimes, to educate. Unfortunately, you can lead a man to water, but you can't make him think....

Keep trying though... There are many that enjoy picking you apart.


(top of the page)

Yeah....the 'DINNSA' additive in Jet Fuel, yeah. So what?

Here, for everybody's ease of use, the link again:

en.wikipedia.org...

Did you read this bit?:

Its melting point is 259.5 °C and its boiling point is 600.4 °C.

BOILING point. 600 degrees Celsius. Know how hot a jet engine burns, when it burns the fuel?

We don't have direct-measuring probes inside the burner cans (it's too hot for them), so we measure EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature).

The engines IDLE at around 400 degrees Celsius. IDLE. That is the exhaust temp. In normal operation, at higher power settings, such as takeoff, climb, cruise....EGT is in the 700-800 degrees Celsius range.

Now, take a guess as to the temperatures OF THE FUEL when it is burned...

I know that the "chemtrail" sites like to rile people up, (because I can read them too...and they tee me off...) and that is EXACTLY what they are doing with this garbage.

More fromt he Wiki article:

It is a component of such additive named Stadis 450.

"Stadis 450" is the brand name of the product that includes the 'DINNSA'.

Here is the MSDS info:

hazard.com...

Sounds bad, huh? Well, in large quantities, it is. So is water, though. Large enough quantities, I mean. Deadly.


SO....these compounds are added to the fuel, because they are useful to reduce the static electrical conductivity, and thus (hopefully) reduce the risk of static buildup, and unwanted explosions.

BUT, the amounts as additives are so miniscule, as to be completely unnoticeable. Unfortunately, the "chemtrail" people don't mention that, they just try to scare-monger, as usual.

Sad, sad to see the lack of science understanding being spread far and wide by these charlatans.

If you really want to be scared, don't EVER consider putting gasoline (or petrol) in your automobile again! Take a look at what's in THAT, if you dare!

(Remember when gasoline used to have LEAD in it??? Don't drink it, don't smell it, and above all don't bathe in it...)


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Aluminum bundles found in the brain have been linked to alzheimer's disease.

Is this an attempt to somehow compare bits of aluminum, sometimes included as chaff in military operations, with Alzheimer's???

Do you seriously propose that pieces of aluminum the size of confetti get into people's brains? Are you writing a movie script?

Research the latest thoughts about Alzheimer's, and the sources of the aluminum in our environment that are suspected (and, NO...not on the "chemtrail" sites....thought you'd have learned by now...).

Oh, and BTW....there is NO "aluminum dust", or "aluminium particles" in aviation fuel.

You obviously know nothing about jet engines, nor airplanes. Fuel is filtered many times, before injected into the nozzles, for burning in the combustion plenum. AND, even IF such a thing as "aluminum particles" existed IN the fuel...HOW does it survive the heat of combustion, to later be spewed out in the exhaust? Aluminum melts at 660 degrees Celsius.


IF it were in the fuel, it would act as a contaminate, and the engines wouldn't run for very long....the molten aluminum would build up o n the turbine blades, and the engines would soon degrade, and eventually fail.

Take a gander, and read up on the volcanic dust problem, as it relates to turbine engines. It's in all the news, lately. Same problem, except that it's a bit WORSE with the dust, since it melts at a bit lower temperature.

The silicates in the ash melt, and cool to form a glass-like coating....

Yeah....the 'DINNSA' additive in Jet Fuel, yeah. So what?

Directly dumped there is no burn off it's at air temp.

Now you missed the second additive ethylene diamine and use of dendrimers.

I look for trends. What would be an explanation for Morgellons Disease? Here you have a chemical in the manufacture of polymers easily dispersed into the atmosphere. These polymers have a much higher resistance to heat (at least 1500 degrees). In theory, these could pass through a jet engine unscathed or dumped directly during flight. The dendrimers link is interesting because here is a vehicle to traffic gene sequences to reprogram cells. Imagine that... Bio engineering from the air.


You fail to understand... The same think-tanks running the show even have an agenda for atomic weaponry/ DU. The thought process is mutating genes via radiation whereby stress "evolves" the human species.


Come bug us in about 3-4 years when you've thought all this through.

Originally posted by NOTHING 4 NO ONE
Wheres the babes? Wheres the booze??

Obviously this is the extent of your intellect. Think about liquor and whores, claim there's chemtrails, then when called on your rage and lack of evidence, insult someone and their drum set. Man, how can I overcome that? I suspect you're a teenager at best or not far from it since I can't expect behavior like this from a mature adult.

Anyway, since you used all caps to tell me I'll let you know that I have researched this phenomenon and found nothing to indicate "chemtrails" as a conspiracy. Sure there is weather modification and military chaff, but there is no evidence of any global "chemtrail" conspiracy. Feel free to either provide the indisputable proof, or simply continue on with your ad hominems: you'll either convince me of chemtrails or continue convincing others of your intellectual depth.

Oh, and BTW....there is NO "aluminum dust", or "aluminium particles" in aviation fuel.

Didn't say it was... But if they're capable of dropping confetti size, why stop there?

Let me expound dispersement as a topic. Nano-sized metals can be attached to water molecules for crying out loud. Take bio-silver for example... Now use your head.

Presistent Contrails, is that suppose to be a joke. I guess the punch line is that someone would believe it. Fools are born everyday.
Now, seriously the really sad part about chemtrails is that no child over 15 years of age has ever seen a natural cloud formation. My heart breaks for them. That is just wrong. Evil.
The other part is this spray program must be unbelievably expensive.

LIGHT UP THE DARKNESS

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
So his expertise on this matter is his citation that "I've been watching jets all my life" and "I used to sit at the end of a runway".

Apparently he knows little about contrails and nothing about persistent contrails. I suppose that instead of educating himself it's just easier to assume a global evil conspiracy, then admit this stupidity on camera. My god, where do these nitwits come from?

Somehow I missed all of your evidence against his postulations about this situation,
maybe you can enlighten?

In related news: Camp Lejeune Toxic Water Legacy


www.veteranstoday.com...



Let's read how long it took to research this thoroughly and come to a conclusion... Just came across my wire. Always a coincidence waiting to happen.

Originally posted by UfoSpecial

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
So his expertise on this matter is his citation that "I've been watching jets all my life" and "I used to sit at the end of a runway".

Apparently he knows little about contrails and nothing about persistent contrails. I suppose that instead of educating himself it's just easier to assume a global evil conspiracy, then admit this stupidity on camera. My god, where do these nitwits come from?

Somehow I missed all of your evidence against his postulations about this situation,
maybe you can enlighten?

What do you want me to tell you? That his summation that contrails look different today than they did in the 60s therefore there's a global chemical spraying conspiracy is seriously in error? I shouldn't have to explain to anyone the remarkably careless conclusion he came to. In fact, it's so idiotic that I can't believe he allowed this on video and I also can't believe anyone thinks his statements could be anything but comical.

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great releated news!

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Posting a published interview by Griffin here. Apparently he has inside knowledge.

What I have seen on the Internet regarding laboratory analysis of chemtrail samples is plausible. The fallout was picked up in rainwater and it was found to contain a high concentration of aluminum oxide and microscopic quartz crystals. Other investigators believe that barium oxide also is being dispersed. It appears that government black-box agencies are conducting a massive spraying operation to reflect sunlight, which supposedly will slow down global warming. I say supposedly because there is evidence that the long-term effect will be just the opposite, and that disruption of the normal atmospheric cycles may actually be causing a warming trend.

There also may be more sinister purposes involving the deliberate creation of health hazards or the dissemination of mind-altering chemicals, but I have not seen hard evidence of that. However, the fact that governments are lying to the public about the reality of this phenomenon is bad enough. It seems that collectivists are so accustomed to lying that they do it even when the truth would be easier.

Of one thing we can be certain: A tenet of collectivism is that anything can be justified simply by claiming that it is for the greater good of the greater number. Therefore, whatever is going on, when it eventually is disclosed to the public, it will be explained as a wonderful humanitarian measure that is in the best interest of all mankind, and we will be expected to be tingly all over with gratitude for the wisdom and benevolence of those great leaders who initiated it.

educate-yourself.org...

Originally posted by burntheships

What I have seen on the Internet regarding laboratory analysis of chemtrail samples is plausible. The fallout was picked up in rainwater and it was found to contain a high concentration of aluminum oxide and microscopic quartz crystals.

This is not a valid sampling technique and in no way could this be considered "plausible". The likelihood is very high that anything found in rainwater samples is due to environmental cross contamination.

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Well sometimes we have to seperate the wheat from the chaff as they say...

I myself pay closer attention to multiple reports of air samples taken in the skies where super grids of chemtrails have been seen, the ones where bioengineered fungi and other many contaminents have been found. I suppose there exists some that would say that is all fantasy also though.