Rod Type UFO, Edgware, Middlesex, Easter Sunday 2010

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Thanks for the heads-up Arbitrageur.

I watched the footage a few times, and the object does seem to be quite meteor like in its characteristics. I cold not say for sure, but that would be my guess. I think it moves a bit too fast to be a plane, and it does seem to be above the clouds, meaning it would have to be quite far away, and moving quickly.

The footage does not apear to be slowed down. When the camera operator steps into view, he appears to move at normal speed.

I would say it's a rare daylight meteor, but I could be wrong.

My advice would be for someone to join METEOROBS and ask there, and you will get some feedback from some of the most experienced meteor observers in the world - I'm sure opinions will vary:
METEOROBS

reply to post by C.H.U.D.

Thanks for taking a look C.H.U.D.

I tend to agree it's a little fast but I'm still not ready to rule out a learjet or something well below cruising altitude, but a meteor does seem like a possibility to me also.

The video I posted earlier in the thread shows a barely visible trail behind a daytime meteor, but given how faint that trail is, it's not hard to imagine how a meteor with a little different composition might leave a trail which is even fainter yet, or for all practical purposes, invisible.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


My pleasure Arbitrageur.

Regarding trains/trails left by meteors, they can vary tremendously, and there are various types of train that can be left. In some cases they are clearly visible, and in others they are completely undetectable (even though there is always a physical trail of some kind keft behind a disintergrating meteoroid).

One thing to consider is that meteors are very bright in the IR part of the spectrum, but trains and trails left by them may be less so (I'm guessing here), and might not have been picked up by the camera because of this.

I just looked at the footage again, and judging from the shadows, the sun's angle looks to be a bit too high to be able to reflect off the object, if indeed it was an aircraft. That makes me even more confident that this was a meteor.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Does it appear to pass under the clouds on the right and above the clouds on the left? (Or is that just an illusion?) I think if it's lower than the clouds on the right that might be more suggestive of a plane. I'm no meteor expert but I'd think it would be unusual to see a meteor streaking underneath the clouds if that's what it's doing, since those clouds don't look like the high altitude type.

To me it looks like the object is always above the clouds. We can say for sure that if it was below the clouds, it would not have been a meteor... if it was (which is highly unlikely), there would have been sonic-booms felt throught the regieon, and all over London.

The closest airport to there would have to be RAF Northolt I believe, followed by Heathrow.

Quick question regarding the meteor theory, earlier on the comment about the youtube poster 'knowing' he'd get a ufo.. is it plausible he knew he'd catch a meteor?

I'm just thinking if he went on some astronomy website that tracks them, or knew a friend, he could of setup in wait for it to pass? It sounds ridiculous in my head and typing it out, but i've sometimes heard on astronomy programs they tell you when something spectacular will happen. Just wondering if this guy 'knew' the meteor was coming it might explain why he had a psychic feeling that it would pass overhead

I'll offer up the video and link to the other website thanks to C.H.U.D for the link.

Just a quick update: The consensus from the meteor observing community (including some of the most experienced observes on the planet) is that this was almost certainly an aircraft. Initially, the community was divided, and a few did make arguments for it being a meteor, but eveyone seems to be in agreement now.

The main reason is that it remains very constant in size and shape, and that would be very unlikely for a meteor to do, although some meteors can be like this.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
Quick question regarding the meteor theory, earlier on the comment about the youtube poster 'knowing' he'd get a ufo.. is it plausible he knew he'd catch a meteor?

No is the short answer. You can't predict individual meteors, although there is a single case where a meteor was predicted, but this was a one off, and if there were any more incomming meteors expected, we would be aware of them.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
I'm just thinking if he went on some astronomy website that tracks them, or knew a friend, he could of setup in wait for it to pass? It sounds ridiculous in my head and typing it out, but i've sometimes heard on astronomy programs they tell you when something spectacular will happen. Just wondering if this guy 'knew' the meteor was coming it might explain why he had a psychic feeling that it would pass overhead

As I said, we would know about it if there was. We do have predictions for meteor showers, but predicting individual meteors is still cutting edge tech., and even so is probably not accurate enough for someone to be able to point a camera at the sky and have it pointing in exactly the right place to catch it.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
I'll offer up the video and link to the other website thanks to C.H.U.D for the link.

My pleasure Superiorraw.

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It is just a pity that it was the youtube video clip that was sent to Meteorbs. Even Dr Marco would change his mind if he saw the original footage. Not a meteor and not a plane either.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Just a quick update: The consensus from the meteor observing community (including some of the most experienced observes on the planet) is that this was almost certainly an aircraft. Initially, the community was divided, and a few did make arguments for it being a meteor, but eveyone seems to be in agreement now.

The main reason is that it remains very constant in size and shape, and that would be very unlikely for a meteor to do, although some meteors can be like this.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
Quick question regarding the meteor theory, earlier on the comment about the youtube poster 'knowing' he'd get a ufo.. is it plausible he knew he'd catch a meteor?

No is the short answer. You can't predict individual meteors, although there is a single case where a meteor was predicted, but this was a one off, and if there were any more incomming meteors expected, we would be aware of them.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
I'm just thinking if he went on some astronomy website that tracks them, or knew a friend, he could of setup in wait for it to pass? It sounds ridiculous in my head and typing it out, but i've sometimes heard on astronomy programs they tell you when something spectacular will happen. Just wondering if this guy 'knew' the meteor was coming it might explain why he had a psychic feeling that it would pass overhead

As I said, we would know about it if there was. We do have predictions for meteor showers, but predicting individual meteors is still cutting edge tech., and even so is probably not accurate enough for someone to be able to point a camera at the sky and have it pointing in exactly the right place to catch it.

Originally posted by Superiorraw
I'll offer up the video and link to the other website thanks to C.H.U.D for the link.

My pleasure Superiorraw.

Thanks for explaining this mate, I'm a little out of my depth, which is why i offered the question to anyone who could give a decent explanation for it.
I just found it odd, that he would 'know i'd catch something' ?? I guess I could say the same thing, given that I'm constantly observing so much and seen quite strange things myself.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
It is just a pity that it was the youtube video clip that was sent to Meteorbs. Even Dr Marco would change his mind if he saw the original footage.

With all due respect, you don't know that.

Can I ask... have you even seen the original footage?

If you feel that strongly, why don't you try to get your hands on the original footage, and send it to Dr Marco Langbroek?

Originally posted by Superiorraw
I just found it odd, that he would 'know i'd catch something' ?? I guess I could say the same thing, given that I'm constantly observing so much and seen quite strange things myself.

For all we know he says that every day before he starts recording.


Regarding seeing strange things... that is typical, and as you gain more experience you will find that the things you could not explain previously are more often than not mundane phenomena. That is not to say that experienced observers dont see things they can not explain - they do from time to time, but the sky is a big and complex system, and even the mundane can look unusual under certain circumstances.

We must also keep in mind that there are still natural (and possibly artificial) phenomena yet to be discovered/understood. There are many possibilities to consider before we say it cant be anything other than a "UFO". Not that you are saying that, but people on this forum have a bad habit of labeling anything *they* can not explain as something related to aliens/advanced tech., which is a totaly illogical way of approaching the subject, and one of the reasons UFOlogy is in such a mess right now.

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It was not my intention to be disrespectful to Dr Marco Landbroek. In the first instance he gave a well considered opinion. Then he came back and criticised everyone and ended with the following :

"Aircraft are ubiquitous, compared to daylight fireballs. Daylight fireballs
don't make jet engine noises. 1 + 1 = 2 and if it quacks like an aircraft, it is an aircraft"

Being the person who actually took the footage I am justified in having a reaction to his comment. I passed the footage to a group of people I trust. In response to comments on youtube ,they have said that the object is not a plane and when viewed in original resolution, you can actually see the object is spinning and is definitely not a plane. They are very honorable people and have not released the original full resolution footage.

Earlier in the threads I made my comments about the sounds that could be heard. They are the sounds caught by the camera. The you tube clip distorts the sounds.

I do know a lot about his clip . It came from my camera.

Perhaps I did stay in the shadows just to hear the comments. Perhaps I should have revealed myself. But there is no point in doing that. No matter how clear an image is, people will always say : Fake !

Please also remember that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Even a baloon is a UFO until identified.

Anyway I am glad to be on ATS and happy for interesting people like yourself to be around.

reply to post by crowdedskies


Crowdedskies.....

Thank you for participating in our discussion.

When do you plan to release further info &/or a higher res video?

I would also be interested to know who's helping you with the analysis.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

UFO on the vid?

You mean the bird or the bug?



No, who knows, maybe it's an ET flying tourist bus visiting the "zoo" which is... us.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
It was not my intention to be disrespectful to Dr Marco Landbroek.

I am sure it was not. I hope none of my posts implied that you were, and if they did I am sorry.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
In the first instance he gave a well considered opinion. Then he came back and criticised everyone and ended with the following :

"Aircraft are ubiquitous, compared to daylight fireballs. Daylight fireballs
don't make jet engine noises. 1 + 1 = 2 and if it quacks like an aircraft, it is an aircraft"

To be fair, those are all good points, although he does come off a little closed minded with that last part, but perhaps he was just having a bad day, and it was a quick reply... we have all done that before.

Either way, he is entitled to his own opinion, and please don't take it personally.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
Being the person who actually took the footage I am justified in having a reaction to his comment. I passed the footage to a group of people I trust. In response to comments on youtube ,they have said that the object is not a plane and when viewed in original resolution, you can actually see the object is spinning and is definitely not a plane. They are very honorable people and have not released the original full resolution footage.

Earlier in the threads I made my comments about the sounds that could be heard. They are the sounds caught by the camera. The you tube clip distorts the sounds.

I do know a lot about his clip . It came from my camera.

Fair play to you. Thanks for sharing.

I'm sorry I have not had the time to devote to this as I should, but I have alot on my plate right now. I may have missed your posts that you mentioned above or glossed over them.

One thing I will say is that the rotation is something that people quite frequently think they see when observing a meteor, so it may not yet quite be end of story.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
Perhaps I did stay in the shadows just to hear the comments. Perhaps I should have revealed myself. But there is no point in doing that. No matter how clear an image is, people will always say : Fake !

It is understandable, and I can't blame you for it.

I try not to jump to conclusions like that too easily, but it has to be said, that there is always a possibillity that footage is faked (we see LOTS here on ATS), so people who frequent theses sites and who have any common sense should always keep that possibility in the back of their mind.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
Please also remember that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Even a baloon is a UFO until identified.

Yes, I am well aware of the correct deffinition of the term... that is why I put the term in "" marks. I wish more people really understood what the term actually means, and that seeing UFOs may actually mean nothing alien related, although there is also that possibility, even if it is very small(IMHO).

Originally posted by crowdedskies
Anyway I am glad to be on ATS and happy for interesting people like yourself to be around.

Thank you for your input and the footage. It's great that you are taking an active interest in what goes on up in the sky (a place I love to observe myself), and are willing to stand up and speak about it. I wish more people would.

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Thanks May be ...May be not

I have the tape and the original AVI which I imported from it. The analysis is being done by www.beamsinvestigations.org.uk. I consider them to be the best people to look into this, since they cover a lot of phenomenon and do not get too exited about any one sighting. There is nothing much to say about the clip .They have drawn their conclusions and so have I.

I do not usually send clips to anyone. I normally keep my own evidence to myself. I feel however that from time to time we need to remind people that there is more to life than playstation, TV soap , football and holidays. That would be the only purpose of posting a clip.

Thanks for your fair comments


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reply to post by C.H.U.D.


Thanks for your comments. The spinning is most peculiar. Could a meteor
have absolutely no trail ? At times it does look like a massive giant boulder spinning. But something else make it seem like there is some kind of symmetry ?

I have already drawn my own conclusion but as I have never considered meteor perhaps I should keep an open mind.

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


Thanks for your comments. The spinning is most peculiar. Could a meteor
have absolutely no trail ? At times it does look like a massive giant boulder spinning. But something else make it seem like there is some kind of symmetry ?

I have already drawn my own conclusion but as I have never considered meteor perhaps I should keep an open mind.

reply to post by crowdedskies


Crowdedskies.....

I will be very interested to know of the results of the analysis.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by crowdedskies
The spinning is most peculiar. Could a meteor
have absolutely no trail ? At times it does look like a massive giant boulder spinning. But something else make it seem like there is some kind of symmetry ?

It is possible that a meteor could appear to have no tail (it might just be too faint to see in the daylight).

This is a video of an event that happened in Texas a couple of years back. You can see that there are times when there is virtually no tail visible, although there are periodic sheddings of material which result in a temporary tail. Allot of people also commented that this meteor appeared to be spinning, but this could just be an optical illusion due to the way that material is shed from the meteoroid.

Originally posted by crowdedskies
I have already drawn my own conclusion but as I have never considered meteor perhaps I should keep an open mind.

In this game, I would say it's always a good idea to keep an open mind, unless you get definitive proof of the nature of an event like this.

In a case like this, where we can not say for sure, an open mind is important IMO. I think in the end we are left with two likely possibilities (aircraft or meteor), but further analysis of your original footage might provide more clues.

My advice would be to offer up the original footage for the meteor reserchers to analise.

Since you are in the UK, the best person to contact would probably be Alastair McBeath who can be found here.

Past all the chatter, which sounds really cool You can hear the sound of the jet going by if you turn the volume up. Not all jets leave a "contrail" behind them. Whoever made this vid would have had a better chance passing this off as a UFO if they took the sound out. You can hear the low whistling sound a jet makes.