Bachmann advocates nuclear response to Cyber-Attack

I think she ment a cyber attack that break into our military effectiveness (which would limit our nuclear capabilities anywho)

OR!

Shes referring to a cyber attack against our power/water/electrical supply. Which would leave us crippled.


Taken out of context the comment is rather shocking.

reply to post by Tentickles


The comment on it's face, in context, is stupid. It doesn't matter what they attack. To sit here and pretend a massive nuclear strike on another nation would not result in a retaliatory nuclear strike on this nation is silly. What were you protecting? It's all going to go up in a huge mushroom cloud because you nuked someone else. Brilliant.

As for "what if the state is non-nuclear". Yea, the U.S. is going to get away with nuking a non-nuclear state.

a) Bachmann is a nut
b) a major cyber attack was conducted by a German in recent years, should we nuke Germany?
c) some of the attacks come from Russia, which has a decent nuclear potential, as we all know, but according to Bachmann we should just open up on them and not care about retaliation.

What's really demoralizing is that so many people with intelligence of a root vegetable are in positions of power and influence in this once great country. God damn Bachmann...

I've been waiting for someone to bring up this issue. Thanks KK!!

You all realize that a cyber attack of considerable size and damage will involve much more than just knocking out your abilities to twitter and vote for your favorite American Idol.

Imagine the damage if :
Air traffic control systems are hacked

Train controls systems are breached (Yes this includes the commuter trains and subways)

Nuclear power plant computers

Our entire financial system..

The list can go on and on because amazingly nearly everything is computer controlled these days. Wow!! what a concept. Those crazy computers even control your cars. Just ask Toyota.

Ever hear the expression "Fly by Wire"...

It must be fun to hide behind the screen of naivete. Especially, from a liberal crowd that strives to be so intellectually superior or dare I say elite.

So, is what Bachmann said really out of the question and off the mark if our air traffic control system is knocked out and planes literally start to fall from the sky? This could be especially hazardous for those that live on the ground near a major airport.

Additionally, I hope the two nuclear power plants near me don't ever fall into the hands of a cyber attacker. I really don't want to go through a nuclear meltdown and the slow torture and eventual death that follows it.

Now you can get back to your twittering and E-Harmony accounts... You are safe for now...

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reply to post by kinda kurious


The Bachmann's behavior has been truly deplorable for some time now. They are supposedly christian, with some very bizarre views that would horrify Christ himself. Her husband supposedly works with homosexual men to "un-gay" them. To think he might have wanted to be a fireman when he grew up.

I watched her and Sarah Palin last night as Fox News rolled out their latest corporate sponsored grass roots movement, sadly named the "Tea Party." Wonder-evil-twin powers activate!

reply to post by ibiubu


Once again people attack the person and not the issue. Classic response. This thread is full of it. We see this everyday on ATS with the never ending threads on the evil Fox News, Sarah Palin and Glen Beck.

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by ibiubu

 

Once again people attack the person and not the issue. Classic response. This thread is full of it. We see this everyday on ATS with the never ending threads on the evil Fox News, Sarah Palin and Glen Beck.

I did not attack Bachmann as a person, I said her and her family's behavior is deplorable. Why would I have to attack her? She made the statement...everyone can judge for themselves. You appear to be lacking proper judgement. Where do you people come from? Do you all work in the same place?

Now you can get back to your twittering and E-Harmony accounts... You are safe for now...

Who is you? Is that how you were trained? Where do you come from? Do you all work in the same place?

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Originally posted by ibiubu

Now you can get back to your twittering and E-Harmony accounts... You are safe for now...

Who is you? Is that how you were trained? Where do you come from? Do you all work in the same place?

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Not quite sure I understand this post. But hey, do what you have to do to rationalize your statements and logic.

Who is YOU? That's a good one
Cheers

BTW I come from a planet called Earth. I don't think I really want to know where you come from.

Meanwhile I am off to save the planet from cyber attacks on our nation's infrastructure.......

Meanwhile I am off to save the planet from cyber attacks on our nation's infrastructure.......

Okay, just make sure you separate aluminum and plastic for recycling.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by ibiubu]

Originally posted by ibiubu
Meanwhile I am off to save the planet from cyber attacks on our nation's infrastructure.......

Okay, just make sure you separate aluminum and plastic for recycling.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by ibiubu]

I am an evil conservative who does not believe in recycling except of course for my govt. mandated CFL bulbs and rechargeable batteries.

Check out some instruction on how to quote another's post. Right now it just looks like you are playing the mimic game. ATS has some good tutorials under the help tab for new members. I still refer back to them from time to time.

Thanks, I'm still learning...I do not believe that you are evil because you just proved that you are not.

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Originally posted by jibeho
So, is what Bachmann said really out of the question and off the mark if our air traffic control system is knocked out and planes literally start to fall from the sky? This could be especially hazardous for those that live on the ground near a major airport.

And you call others naive. Laughable. You must have dug up some old Y2K nonsense.

The FAA system relies on mainly on Radar and mostly VHF frequencies. Inasmuch as computers play a vital role in communications, I'm confident
that redundancies exist. Regardless, it is doubtful "planes would drop out of sky" as you suggest.

You can learn more here:

wiki.radioreference.com...

I would love for Weedwhacker to chime in on this, he is an Expert. If he says I'm wrong, I'll trust his expertise and admit it. Sure it would be a huge problem.

She recently encouraged citizen's not to fill out the census but was reprimanded by her masters in GOP as it could nullify re-districting efforts and cost them seats.

Why is your side so bent on spreading fear? You accuse "us" of blindly defendeding President Obama, and yet do the same. The lady is a few McNuggets short of a Happy Meal and doesn't know what she's talking about.

reply to post by kinda kurious


Suppose I'm wrong about air traffic control. Whoopee!! I don't think that I am.
This is just one system in use today. There is no standard system from facility to facility. Look for the phrase "air to ground data link"

Airspace is more crowded than ever before. Flight delays and cancellations are increasing. Airlines and airport operators are under pressure to become more efficient. Air traffic controllers are working harder to maintain the margin of safety. And the airline industry is looking for ways to improve bottom-line profitability. To meet these challenges, airlines and civil aviation authorities are turning to air traffic management solutions from ARINC.

Air Traffic Control Tower with JetOur communications, navigation, surveillance/air traffic management (CNS/ATM) system provides the interface between air traffic control and the aircraft flight crew through a variety of air-to-ground data link networks. Our system allows the controller and flight crew to communicate via data link while it simultaneously provides position information to the controller. This transmitted information makes for safer, more efficient aircraft operation.

ARINC's Tower Data Link Service (TDLS) allows air traffic controllers to transmit vital information—quickly and reliably. The FAA is currently using the system to issue over 350,000 predeparture clearances every month.

For the U.S. Department of Defense, the need to upgrade aircraft fleets with CNS/ATM capabilities is imperative. ARINC applies our commercial solutions to the military's global air traffic management challenges to modernize aircraft avionics and infrastructure systems—including GPS, navigation warfare, safety modifications, and other upgrades.

A great company that uses crazy computers and networks for a multitude of tasks
www.arinc.com...

A lot of these systems utilize GPS and GPS satellites are indeed computer driven.

What about all of the other systems that control our every move. I have already listed several of them in an earlier post.

Right now I can log into my corporate server from home and control the ambient temperature and fixed lighting in a 28 story office building. Legally of course. All made possible by a wacky computer network.

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Originally posted by Tentickles
I think she ment a cyber attack that break into our military effectiveness (which would limit our nuclear capabilities anywho)

OR!

Shes referring to a cyber attack against our power/water/electrical supply. Which would leave us crippled.


Taken out of context the comment is rather shocking.

that is why I mentioned the grid...i should have been a bit more clear on that... but the electrical grid is terribly vulnerable as it is, and as i said we adjust and adapt as do the potential bad guys...

The other factor is this.... a very well planned and executed cyber attack into the natural gas or fuel porcessing plants acorss the nation would in one week take us down...

Imagine if you can all the refineries just shutting down or blowing up.... not a drop of fuel for the electrical grid.... and aside from explosives the internet can not be fully protected from these people... many get paid quite well to keep trying to get in... and in some cases the nation where they live (outside the US) does nothing, but that also depends upon what nation this dirt bag lives in...

Originally posted by lilwolf
Imagine if you can all the refineries just shutting down or blowing up.... not a drop of fuel for the electrical grid....

Granted I am not an Energy expert. But as far as I know the main sources of fuel for electric power in the US are coal , nuclear, hydro-electric and propane/methane.

Could you elaborate on how refineries supply a fuel source to power plants that generate electricity to the 'electrical grid'?

Thanks. I'm kurious.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by kinda kurious]

She clearly does not understand what a 'Cyber Attack' is.

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by lilwolf
Imagine if you can all the refineries just shutting down or blowing up.... not a drop of fuel for the electrical grid....

Granted I am not an Energy expert. But as far as I know the main sources of fuel for electric power in the US are coal , nuclear, hydro-electric and propane/methane.

Could you elaborate on how refineries supply a fuel source to power plants that generate electricity to the 'electrical grid'?

Thanks. I'm kurious.

[edit on 8-4-2010 by kinda kurious]

Ohhh allow me... Fuel powers the diesel train engines that deliver the coal to the power plants to make electricity. Thank You!!

Mr. Wizard signing off....

A hacker can't just "attack the grid" and send us back to the dark ages. That's just melodramatic nonsense at best, or paranoid delusions pandering to the far-right as "pro-defense". She's been watching too much "Die Hard 4" methinks.

So what happens when a "cyber-attack" (which has yet to be clearly defined) originates from an American hacker? Do we nuke Poughkeepsie New York because some kid got tired of playing "God of War" and decided to hack the pentagon?

What about past instances where an American hacker was the real hacker behind what appeared to be a foreign attack? Case in point, from 2004, a cyber-attack/DDoS came from a Web site calling itself "Shadowcrew" originated from Russia, but as it turned out the Russian server was only a pass-through route from the actual server located in New Jersey. Can you imagine nuking Russia for something that actually originated within America?

In fact hackers are notorious for covering up their tracks and masking where the actual origin is for their attack - why do you think Spammers are so hard to track down and stop?

Also, what about Bot nets as a source for any potential attacks? Bot nets are compromised computers (sometimes called "zombies") made to do what the hacker who infected these computer want, without the owners of said computers ever being the wiser. Most of the time Bot nets are used to send spam, sometimes they are used to commit DoS (Denial of Service) attacks. There's really no telling what a resourceful hacker could cause a Bot net to do, and worst of all is that a Bot net has no specific location. Who do you nuke then?

I suppose Bachman was speaking rhetorically so there's no sense in getting worked up over idiotic comments like this, but then again, she is bat-s*** crazy and an embarrassment to American politics.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Thanks for your most excellent commentary and getting thread back on topic.

Your 'homegrown' scenarios are thought provoking. The part about net bots is also compelling. I read that Artificial intelligence is no match for human stupidity. ( or vice versa )

It is abundantly clear you know of what you speak. I agree it was probably just pandering, fear mongering and grand standing rhetoric. I appreciate your contribution. :up;

The blonde female population should be breathing a collective sigh of relief.

Not a slight to the ladies.......I love you all.




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