Freaky Physics Proves Parallel Universes Exist

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Something is moving or it isn't,I just don't get the "both at once" thing...

One is real the other is an illusion or the human eye trying to catch up

It's like have a piece of paper with a bird drawed on it and a cage on the opposite side of the paper, put a string on it and make it rotate fast, your eye will see a bird in the cage.

Hmmm...One is an illusion?
So one either movement or non movement of the paddle is not actually happening,but is an illusion-in that case the paddle is not doing both is it?

Hmm,my head hurts..
I wish I could comprehend this better,but cannot.
I know the bird in the cage trick,but thats like you said,the eye tying to catch up.
This movement/non movement sounds different,I just wish I could visualize it better.
(And wish that I could visualize how the observer observed this dual state-I can only imagine he may have used some kind of sensors along with his eyes which lead him to his conclusion)

reply to post by gandhi

Originally posted by gandhi
This has been known for a while, anyone that can meditate can figure it out.

Thank you very much for the link to the video Cole, I am about to watch it.

@ gandhi I am taking you to mean (correctly I hope) that in meditating you become aware of hidden spaces somehow inextricably connected to a space for example that is occupied by a wardrobe, multiple rooms out of sight but sharing one space as it were.

If that is what you were meaning then I agree with you however at the same time when I have become aware of what I refer to as these hidden spaces in deep meditation I am always aware of them as things that cannot be physically touched and can only be perceived and looked into with the mind. What I have seen are irregular rooms like beautiful caves lined with bushed metals and etched with what I take to be hieroglyphs of some sort.

I have some transcribed onto an old artwork somewhere in the loft as it happens.

The experiment in the OP on the other hand and the reason I am tripping up is that it would seem something is being brought out from these hidden spaces to the point where it can be seen and physically manipulated in this reality? For me this is the difficulty I had in the conceptualisation and might just be a sign of my middle age.

Good post though, you threw me for a curve and for a one liner that is a rarity

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The main point to remember is that the observer though that he created a vaccum, or least that's what the article implies. But it's impossible to create a vaccum, there's always air, too many particles.

So he said he saw the fork move but it wasn't vibration because he sucked all the air out..... thing is he didn't!

so it perhaps was just that, vibration and nothing more.

Vibration is a HUGE topic on it's own

reply to post by fedupofitall


Hi!

ok the blind leading the blind....

No it is not your imagination that is creating what you see (but your choices decide where you go and what you see).

My take (or the one that's typing this....) is that every possible configuration does exists at the same time and that we really play them through our consciousness as a film.

We see movement but actually it is one configuration to the next. The important thing is that the configurations are closely matched (probability) and have a history that is conistent....

There are numerous multi-verse theories (some have the universes less than a cm away separated by a brane (or maybe even a brain) whilst other theories have the universes an infinity of infinities away.

As an aside, after an outrageoius night out drinking and socialising I used to apologise to the ladies the next day by apologising for my twin brother's behaviour (who they always pointed out looked suspiciously identical to me). Now I'm older and wiser (Hmmmm?) I would simply put it down to my quantum brother.

Peace!

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Neat that it's getting out there.

Also, did you know that Pyramids are eternal? Once constructed in place, they exist in all dimensions relative to the area of their etheric placement. They serve to stabilize higher energies and feed them into the physical dimensions.

So how does sucking the air out of the bell jar eliminate all vibration?

The jar is in a refrigerator which is sitting on the floor. What does the air have to do with it? How was this piece of metal placed in the jar? Is it sitting on the bottom? Suspended by a string?

Unless it is magnetically suspended in mid air then it can be effected by an outside influence. Even while suspended magnetically it could if something interfered with the magnetic field, like a cell phone....

And how do they come to the conclusion that it vibrated and stood still at the same time. What sort of instrumentation was used to observe such a feat?

I have to call BS on this. They plucked it like a tuning fork? I play guitar and every time you pluck a string it appears to oscillate then be steady then oscillate then ..... this experiment sounds just like this. I seriously hope there is more to this than some scientists mistaking simple waves and harmonics as some quantum miracle.

I will now get me an old refrigerator and bell jar to unlock the secrets of the universe and create my own time machine. It seems much easier now with this discovery, and less costly than a Delorean.

What they actualy found out is that there are infinitly small particles and that it is impossible to create a complete vaccum.

If it wasnt for their religious bias.

This article does NOT prove parallel universes!

All this experiment does is demonstrate the quantum property of superposition - which proves this quantum mechanical property, NOT ANY INTERPRETATION of quantum mechanics...

The idea of parallel universes stems from the Many Worlds Interpretation of qunatum mechanics, but there are many other interpretations just as good, if not better (like David Bohm's interpretation).

reply to post by fedupofitall

If we are in control of our reality, then the people who I meet belong to my own personal manifestation of reality. The state they are in is unique in my reality, and exist as I manifest them. The same applies to all aspects of my reality, the news, the weather, the users of message boards, the message boards themselves etc etc. Its all basically my imagination.

I notice this all the time and am beginning to think that people are actually a manifestation of my own reality, they all behave how I expect they will! I think of someone and they will call me or text me the next day when they have not contacted me in forever. Either I am somewhat phychic and can sense that they are going to contact me or I am manifesting their contact, thereby controling what they are doing and its beginning to look like it manifesting more and more. Things tend to play out exactley how I expect they will.

It is hard to truely expect something to happen when your own logic tells you its not very probable. I totally belive that say if you want to win the lottery and you truely expect to win and have total lets say faith that you will win then you will exist in the alternate realitiy where you win. The problem is that most of us belive we will not win because we are taught this logic from a very young age and it becomes a way of life.

Mt 18:3 "Unless you change and become like little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven”

Mat 18:4 "So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven"

These verses could mean that you have to drop your logic/programming and become like children (who seem to have less logic/programming) inorder to start manipulating your reality/sifting multiple universes so that you will be in your heaven.

edit: verses



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Wow, I am shocked to see so many people on here that don't even know about superposition!


Superposition is just another famous property of quantum mechanics, as is entanglement.

Superposition has been demonstrated in the lab many times - come one guys, you never heard of the double slit experiments? Where have you all been?

Superposition means being at multiple positions at the same time, hence the name, suggesting that time does not exist as we think it does - just like entanglement suggests that space does not exist as we think it does....

This is spectatcular. An example of the failings of ATS members at its best.

A completely layman article on Faux news and suddenly parallel universes are real. . . . The article does not even mention how this proves this exsistance of anything.

It's actually about quantum computing and seeing quantum effects in the classical world.

Here is the actual abstract from the article. You'll have to pony up or find a free version (I can't post it).

Quantum mechanics provides a highly accurate description of a wide variety of physical systems. However, a demonstration that quantum mechanics applies equally to macroscopic mechanical systems has been a long-standing challenge, hindered by the difficulty of cooling a mechanical mode to its quantum ground state. The temperatures required are typically far below those attainable with standard cryogenic methods, so significant effort has been devoted to developing alternative cooling techniques. Once in the ground state, quantum-limited measurements must then be demonstrated. Here, using conventional cryogenic refrigeration, we show that we can cool a mechanical mode to its quantum ground state by using a microwave-frequency mechanical oscillator—a ‘quantum drum’—coupled to a quantum bit, which is used to measure the quantum state of the resonator. We further show that we can controllably create single quantum excitations (phonons) in the resonator, thus taking the first steps to complete quantum control of a mechanical system.

www.nature.com...

I find it odd that you all just jump on the wagon when you don't even know how the measurment was made. What observations stood out and how exactly you could measure something in both an excited and ground state simultaniously.

Too stretch this a little further...is it possible we are all the same entity playing out different aspects of our self?

Originally posted by Klaatumagnum
Great post! Thank you! We are learning more and more each day. The Cosmos is a very beautiful and interesting place, more interesting that we can probably imagine. Everything that we imagine, exists, somewhere. So I think that we should be careful in our imaginings and visualize what we really want...Peace,Love...creativity unbridled from all constraints. We can create a beautiful World.

Peace and Love to you all.

Namaste

What if I imagine a giant machine that destroys all parallel worlds?
If everything we imagine exists somewhere, the universe is going to be a very dark place.

I am pretty surprised to read this because our religion (Buddhism) also claims the existence of these stuffs.

I have to agree, nothing really new or groundbreaking here. How else could one explain how a single photon (or particle or anything really) could interfere with itself passing through two different slits simultaneously whilst unobserved? That is, of course, assuming we're still not yet willing to abandon causality and by extension determinism and the agency to which we cling so desperately.

What did interest me was the similarities between this experiment and the proposed Bose-Einstein condensate, specifically the idea of a quantum superposition being demonstrated on a macroscopic scale, but in a solid rather than a gas. Probably a fallacious assertion, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

edit: Oh man. Now I feel dumb. According to wiki the BEC stopped being 'proposed' back in '95.

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More links about this:

www.sciencenews.org...

www.nature.com...

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.wired.com...

www.npr.org...

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
Too stretch this a little further...is it possible we are all the same entity playing out different aspects of our self?

The article is BS

However what you are saying is possible, BS article aside.
What perhaps creates these parallel universes is choice!

Originally posted by BellaMente
This article does NOT prove parallel universes!

All this experiment does is demonstrate the quantum property of superposition - which proves this quantum mechanical property, NOT ANY INTERPRETATION of quantum mechanics...

The idea of parallel universes stems from the Many Worlds Interpretation of qunatum mechanics, but there are many other interpretations just as good, if not better (like David Bohm's interpretation).

I'm inclined to agree, though I'm not familiar with quantum mechanics. I'm also wondering if this is a case of dual perception or 'double data'. More research is needed before jumping to the parallel universe conclusion it seems.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
The article is BS

However what you are saying is possible, BS article aside.
What perhaps creates these parallel universes is choice!

I had a strong feeling of this and didn't even read the article.

Why? Because it's from "FOX News." Probably set up to fail, to serve a disinfo campaign.

Nonetheless others have already mentioned the aspects of quantum mechanics that inspire quantum theories like "parallel" or "alternate universes."

Kinda goes to show how little we know but I think we are beginning to ask the right questions.