All Of Science Is A Lie

Originally posted by deadboi
I told myself I wasn't going to post in here but I feel I must add some clarity.

I am glad you posted here I really liked what you had to say.

I would like for you to post more often , actually.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Here's my masters thesis

web.archive.org...

One of the most funny, but also interesting threads I have read in a while.

I studied Medical Psychiatric Science in university. Also Environmental Engineering. I say this not so that "I am right" just to say I have a grasp on these subjects. Call me a wise fool. more foolsih than wise infact.

I think that the OP is actually right in a way, in that without Questioning science remains static.

Science is not

The Search for Truth

But rather the search for Knowledge. There is no static truth when we as humans try and interpret it. As there are two types of Truth.

Absolute of which Humans can never be aware as we are subjective individually and collectively.

And Relative Truth of which science of man is part of.

There is some credence to the Electric Universe model. However also for the standard model.

All Science "facts" have been replaced over time by new science "facts".

Due to the relative nature of human exploration and understanding, and our part in the universe we will never get to absolute truth through science. That is left to philosophy and Meta physics and spirituality.

No matter how much peptides, eeg's biochemistry get more understanding of the science of humans for an example, at the end of the day some things are unquantifiable, such as Love and Grief, and enlightenment or spiritual experiences.

However Op you really do take your questioning of all of science to the nth degree, and this is as dangerous as those views you are trying to question, and show the weaknesses of. Some of it is right from the relativistic (truth) point of view; some as in all of human history will be overturned and proven false.

Infact you seem a bit like on this thread the Anti thesis or cloned version of Phage in the opposite dimension lol.

Both views imho (which is relativistic and subjective as well) is unhealthy and bordering on OCD.

Infact I know where the answer lies and it is in the following clip, sums up this thread very well, enjoy, lighten up and realise its all subjective, belief based and ultimately can never be the absolute truth, no matter how much we learn.





Still cracks me up.

Kind Regards,

Elf


[edit on 7-4-2010 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by drew hempel
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Here's my masters thesis

web.archive.org...

Thank you.

I have started reading it and I must say I really like it so far. It really does pertain to the topic at hand also, of the thread subject matter.

I also agree with this portion that you wrote in your work.

""As the Harvard philosophy professor Tu Wei-Ming stated, "The crisis of modernity is not secularization per se but the inability to experience matter as the embodiment of spirit."22 (my emphasis) Both Professor David Ray Griffin and Professor Huston Smith have similarly focused on a new type of consciousness as the needed response to "the continuation of modernity [that] threatens the very survival of the planet."23""

I have for a very long time felt this same notion in several ways.

There will be a day when modern science and "spirituality" will merge. And when that happens, it will probably resemble a advanced form of Eastern philosophy.

This really reminds me of a book I read, The Tao of Physics. I really suggest that book for everyone. Its a really fun read.
en.wikipedia.org...

Now I am going to go finish reading your Intro. TY again Drew!

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reply to post by muzzleflash


You're welcome. That masters thesis was written in 2000. I've since written a more radical "blogbook" called Deep Disharmony:

naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com...

It's actually just thrown together material I've written and read -- the style is informal.

Chapter Ten: The Perimeter of Patriarchy: Science as Mass Ritual Sacrifice

[edit on 7-4-2010 by drew hempel]

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Everything you are being told is one gigantic fat lie.

Usually the people that run the line, "everything you're being told is a lie", are usually cult leaders or sme other kind of agenda-driven liar. The old "don't believe those guys but believe me" isn't going to work on any rational, thinking individual.

You don't have to take my word for it.

Google everything I just said.

I just Googled "Elvis lives" and got almost a million hits!

I didn't know that was true either!

It's amazing what you can prove just by Googling it!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Everything you are being told is one gigantic fat lie.

Usually the people that run the line, "everything you're being told is a lie", are usually cult leaders or sme other kind of agenda-driven liar. The old "don't believe those guys but believe me" isn't going to work on any rational, thinking individual.

You don't have to take my word for it.

Google everything I just said.

I just Googled "Elvis lives" and got almost a million hits!

I didn't know that was true either!

It's amazing what you can prove just by Googling it!

So, your argument that researching things is bad?

I am sorry I thought research was a good thing.

Haha, I know you didn't mean it, But I'm calling you on it.

I would prefer a local library, but the Internet is increasingly a virtual library these days anyway isn't it?

I am a fan of googling. So sue me I like research.

reply to post by mnemeth1


What i see here is you using alot of big words which mean you can read but you share no proof. You do not even use any mathematical formulas that are based upon any of these accepted laws of physics to support any of your theories. Yes you have theories. Thats make what you say theoretical. The difference between you and einstein besides the obvious is that he supported his theories with accepted mathematical equations to explain it. Yes einstein created mathematicl symbols and equations to explain gravity and how it works but several of his theories have been PROVEN using experiments. I fail to see the point in your ramblings if you dont sit down and type out some good ol fashion equations and explain them or link us to something you have done on one of these many other boards. Yes you are opinionated and your stuck in a box of what you believe. That right there makes you no scientist and you dont even have the mind to be one. That alone discredits you because you cannot even begin to see the possibility of anything else. Suggest a theory, test it and try to prove or disprove it and once you fail to prove it reformulate a new theory and start over until you have a explanation for how whatever you say works. Its all hogwash from you. Lots of opinions your trying to base on fact simply because noone else has offered any conclusions.
Science offers theories for how things work and why things are that make the most reasonable explanation until someone can somehow prove or disprove it.
Even newtonian physics cannot work on a grand scale which is how the whole field of quantum physics came into being. Yep theoretical but supported by some pretty sweet math to expalin it. If you want ANY of us to believe you then disprove the math. SHOW us how its trash and then you will not only win over this thread but win the pulitzer as well.

Hey, everybody!
What am I describing here; what is the name you give to the activity of putting different matter together , then put energy into it, in order to have an action, then a result? MAGIK!!! Done by sorcerers and the like...
Latter, it got called SCIENCE! So yep, it's a lie... in it's presentation.

Aresh

Is the LHC going to discover anything new? IDK, but then its not in my area of expertise. As for the rest of the OP, I have seen both parts of the wave/particle duality experiment conducted right in front of me, so I know there's something going on with the fundamentals of reality that most certainly is not described by Newtonian physics. I also know that light travels in straight lines, have seen 2 images of the same galaxy from different portions of the sky & know that electromagnetism does not bend light. Therefore it seems reasonable to me to investigate how gravity seems to.
Something I know for sure will not advance our understanding of physics is the unsubstantiated speculation of laypersons. Since that is exactly what the OP is, I think this thread should be in the grey area.

reply to post by mnemeth1


Scientific knowledge is the foundation for engineering. Consider engineering to be applied science.

reply to post by mnemeth1

Engineers tell the truth.

Theoretical scientists are the liars.

Engineering & electrical engineering projects were once only a theory.

Computers require quantum mechanics to operate as theories predicted for it to be applied.

Not every theory will be true, but part of science is to prove theories wrong, and then produce a new & better theory that can be applied.

Your OP is completely ignorant.

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Originally posted by constantwonder

I guess I'll just concede the argument. The standard model and all modern science is a sham. Let's stop research because a few naysayers have to buck everything they've ever heard. Let's say that the discovery of neutrinos, positrons, quarks are all lies.

People volunteer to waste their entire lives and careers in mines, and laboratories and accelerators and telescopes chasing a lie. They spend large sums of money to get doctrate degrees in sham science. They willingly make no contribution to true science because they are just so damn comitted to the lie.

Actually, committed to the lie is a perfect way of putting things. The same policy makers who dictate the curriculum of the system also control the printing presses, and outline the scope our teachers are permitted to offer. Not just for one year, but for every changing year of their 30+ carreers. A university is an institution forged on a plan to educate people for powerful positions in the world. Who formed our modern universities, seeded them with enlightened doctrine, good and bad? The same people who run the world of course. We've already uncovered the 200+ year blueprint masonic and bilderberger society are underway to transform the states, and it's also not new news to us here that we are approaching radical facist world government.

The FDA lies, the medical community lies, the news are propegandists, and the taxes keep going up.

I'm sorry, but are you prepared to defend the FDA as a noble institution and explain societies exponentially increasing failings from the light of those high and haughty university movements which are supposed to lead us as a global republic of philosopher-kings? They create bad science, bankrupt our societies with frivolous and unhelpful pursuits built on potential lies, and expect us to "prove" them wrong first instead of justifying their expenditures in the face of so much pressing need. High science has, for a hundred years at least, bulldozed over wholesome interests, made catastrophic mistakes, ruined health and economies with spendthrift waste, and now spends more than ever on theoretical garbage instead of focasing on widespread solutions. Because there is a eugenics program in effect also. Chemtrails, disposable society, malicious medicine, irratiated food. Do you deny the obvious??? It has been a couple decades since a political movement warmed my heart, seeing how tied it is to corruption. Political science leaves a cold hatred in me, and modern science movements no better. We wil know them by their fruit.

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

Now here comes the Codex, and the banishment of our health. Yet still they spend billions on quantum physics. What a crock of s**t.

reply to post by Northwarden

Yet still they spend billions on quantum physics. What a crock of s**t.

WOW, your post is really quite crazy, and this part is the least craziest bit but still absolutely false.

When describing insanity, one might indeed appear crazy. But we know also know how the PTB used to delude everyone with sun gods and the like before the scientific revolution, then they simply shifted tracks.

When science was divided from ethics, there was the problem. Now they exist as separate sciences.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I just Googled "Elvis lives" and got almost a million hits!

I didn't know that was true either!

It's amazing what you can prove just by Googling it!

So, your argument that researching things is bad?

My point is, just saying "Google it" is almost meaningless on a topic like this one. On some topics Google may take you straight to a wikipedia article, which some people complain about, but the articles on wiki that are inaccurate most often have warnings at the top saying further work and/or references are needed, etc. Articles labeled with such warnings are iffy, but articles without them I've found to be reasonably reliable.

If I look at sources outside of Wiki or Encyclopedia Britannica or other reference sources, I usually look for ".edu" in the URL to find a site with some credibility as those are often published by PhD professors. But if you don't screen the sources, you can end up with some real bad information when you Google something.

I could make up just about any crackpot theory and find some nutjobs to believe it and publish web pages about it. But that doesn't make it true, and finding those crackpot pages on a Google search isn't such great research.

The fact is, scientists admit there are holes in our current theories, and would LOVE to find better explanations than we currently have. So the reason the other theories aren't accepted yet isn't because the scientists are afraid of change so much as the alternate theories have even more problems than the current theories. Find a good alternate theory like the one Einstein found and it can be accepted rather quickly as his was, soon after the eclipse observations were confirmed.

SO the end game to all this anti science dribble is to banish all science and do what? live in caves again and die around age 30 from disease or hunger? what is the point of this discussion?

reply to post by JWtruth123


To say "die around 30" implies a statistic which is also relying on science.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
The LHC isn't going to produce anything period.

The LHC is the Bernie Madoff of scientific looting schemes.

It was constructed to waste money. It was constructed to bloat the paychecks of the scientific elite. It was constructed to bloat the bottom lines of government contract workers. It is a sham. It is a rip off. It is a joke.

The particle physics model the LHC research is based on is a joke. The scientists participating in it know full well its a joke. Its a billion dollar boondoggle that will continue to "break down" and have catastrophic errors throughout its lifetime. This is mainly because the scientists know that if it were to work correctly for any long period of time, they would eventually have to acknowledge that it has discovered nothing new and was a huge waste of scientific resources and tax payer dollars.

You don't have to worry about black holes or anti-matter blowing up the Earth because of the LHC. Black holes and anti-matter aren't real. Their are no such things. Observations of space show that explanations of black holes do not provide an adequate explanation for the effects of the M87 galactic jet. If gravity is causing the jet, it must be accelerating matter beyond the speed of light to account for observations. This is not possible even by the standard theory. Only the electric force can account for the observations, not gravity.

Cosmology is a joke. The same scientific suppression we saw in the Climategate scandal is alive and well in the field of theoretical physics. The physicists are milking us like cattle for our tax dollars. Scientists can replicate the formation of galaxies and stars using standard Newtonian physics by simply adding the electric force into the models.

Space does not expand, bend, warp, twist, or in anyway do anything other than exist as a place that matter occupies. Matter itself does not bend space, warp space, or cause holes in space. Matter is stable and obeys coherent laws of provable physics that range from the level of the electron all the way up to the level of galaxies. There are no multiple dimensions, multiple realities, or time traveling particles.

Gravity is an electromagnetic function of matter. It arises from matter. It varies and is not constant. When scientists try to measure it they find gravity changes and varies from place to place. There are no consistent measurements of gravity. All methods of measuring gravity produce the same inconsistent results.

The Earth was not formed out of dust circling the Sun. The provable physics of dust in space absolutely prevent dust from forming into planets. This is most obvious in the rings of Saturn. Planets don't form from dust circling bodies. Even the standard theory’s own models fail to show how this is possible. Also, all other planets discovered to-date around other stars have turned out to be closely orbiting gas giants. This is impossible to explain if gravity formed the planets around the stars.

Space is not expanding, there was no big bang. The red shift of light coming from distant sources arrives in discrete steps meaning the Earth must be the center of the universe if the big bang theory is true, thus its not. We see high and low red shifted objects interacting with each other in space, impossible if red shift is a function of velocity. We have laboratory proven effects of light acting in a vacuum that can account for all observations in space without the need for a big bang or expanding space.

The oceans of earth didn’t arrive here from comets slamming into the earth. This is a joke of a theory. All observations of comets show them to be made almost entirely of rock.

Theories of tectonic plates sliding around producing mountains are a joke. In order for this to be true, the plates must be sliding into rock that is more dense than granite. Core samples of the ocean floors show them to be relatively new. All fossils are found on dry land, not ocean floors. This means the floors are being ADDED to the earth by matter rising out of the earth. This makes logical sense since the earth is rotating and centripetal force is pushing deep matter outwards while gravity is pushing outer matter inwards.

Everything you are being told is one gigantic fat lie.

The history of the Earth as it has been told to you is a lie. Theoretical particle physics is a lie. The big bang is a lie. Comets made of water is a lie. The formation of planets is a lie. Climate science is a lie.

An unending stream of lies.

You should check Al-Quran because sometime this truth while sometimes this is lie!

reply to post by JWtruth123


I believe the Op is not trying to banish all science, but searching for the truth errr. JW.

This is one of my favorite threads so far on ATS. If you have ever researched Tesla; he claimed that Einstein would be proven wrong; and, that his own theories would be validated in time. Part of the debate was the idea of the aether. Somewhere I read that only 4 of Maxwells equations are used, whereas, he had 28, the other 24 relating to aether.

It makes me wonder why Tesla was stricken from all textbooks. There may be a far reaching conspiracy here to keep certain technologies suppressed.