lucus video and text presentation

reply to post by Austexdude


Throwing in the towel is an excellent way to admit defeat. If you choose not to ignore then you just might want to defend your claims - if you can.

In video 1 at 5:59 Lucus states that "these things are associated with death". He is referring to spirals in petroglyphs. This is not true. The symbols are associated with religious elements and water.

Then there are a series of interpretations of a few panels of petroglyphs which are Lucus' interpretations and not the interpretations of archaeologists. Take the interpretations as wild guesses from a novice with no understanding of the symbols.

At 6:15 in video 1 he is asked, "How old are they supposed to be?".

The answer is "They vary. Usually around 3,600 3,800 years old.

Dating of petroglyphs places them as much more recent, i.e. on the order of 1,000 years old.

Then comes a claim that they are only found in mountains. Can you explain what is meant by this? Are they on the slopes? Are they found in a general area which may contain mountains?

What about the Ocmulgee mound. Although not a petroglyph has the spiral motif as does the New Grange spirals in Ireland. What about the Serpent Mound in Ohio?

But what do spirals mean?

Many of the geometric patterns (known as form constants) which recur in petroglyphs and cave paintings have been shown by David Lewis-Williams to be "hard-wired" into the human brain; they frequently occur in visual disturbances and hallucinations brought on by drugs, migraine and other stimuli.

From Petroglyphs - wikipedia

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


I believe those spiral glyphs are definitely a warning of sorts if they are all over the world. If they were trying to find an easy way to tell us what it is, then we fail as a species. I bet the next time this occurs the process would repeat itself and people far into the future would be arguing over the new glyphs.

I guess everyone with the "superior knowledge" of what these spirals mean (impending death and destruction ) are also now out carving spirals everywhere. I mean, that's what you would do right? To warn people in the future, the same as the ancient peoples did.



[edit on 30-7-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

reply to post by dragnet53


What leads you to believe that petroglyph spirals imply danger? Where is any evidence other than a wild eyed guess by Lucus that these symbols are associated with danger?

So Lucus is not able to support his failed claims? No surprise there.

So let's check out what Lucus says about IRAS. This is 9:57 into video 1. It quickly flips over to the next video where Lucus mentions some older articles from Astronomy magazine (not peer reviewed) and the Washington Post. At 1:10 in video 2 Lucus states:

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system ...

This is sentence 1 from the Washington Post article. In that article the next paragraph states:

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.

The article is December 31, 1983. It has been 27 years since that newspaper account was published. Has any light been shed on that issue?

The Wikipedia article which Lucus refers to completes his sentence with the following:

However, further analysis revealed that, of several unidentified objects, nine were distant galaxies and the tenth was "intergalactic cirrus". None were found to be Solar System bodies.

So Lucus cherry picked the Wikipedia article and discarded publications done by the astronomers to perpetrate his lie. By purposely misrepresenting the article in the wikipedia he has lied. He did not make a mistake. Check it out yourself at
IRAS - wikipedia

Below are a number of links that clearly show the best excuse for the Lucus videos is that his so-called research was sloppy if not purposely done with a hoax in mind.

Possibly as Large as Jupiter; Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies (1985)

No Tenth Planet Yet From IRAS

Harlan (the owner of Brave New Books) has asked me several times and I am finally happy to say;

I will be doing a 2 hour follow up presentation on Sunday, October 10th at Brave New Books...10/10/10

Cool date eh...

[edit on 1-8-2010 by Austexdude]

reply to post by stereologist


Just like what your "interpretations" are any better?

LOL

reply to post by Austexdude


don't forget to mention stereologist in the video. He might get a kick out of it.

Petroglyph spirals are commonly interpreted as being signs of water or spiritual symbols. The water association is well documented in the American Southwest.

Here are a few typical sites that show:
1. Lucus gets the interpretation of spirals dead wrong
2. Lucus gets the time period for when they are drawn dead wrong

Here is a typical US Southwest petroglyph site
Painted Rock Petroglyph Site
Notice that the petroglyphs are from the Hohokams that lived there about 1800 years ago or less. They did make several concentric circles or spirals.

Petroglyph Trail Chaco canyon
Some nice spirals here. They date around 1200 to 900 years ago.

Spirals
The spiral is discussed here as a sun symbol in China.

reply to post by dragnet53


They are not my interpretations. They are the interpretations of people that have spent considerable time understanding the ancient cultures. They are not the interpretations of novices with an idiotic agenda to fulfill.

reply to post by dragnet53

don't forget to mention stereologist in the video. He might get a kick out of it.

Please leave mention of me out any fraudulent presentations.

reply to post by stereologist


yet......people like sitchin who spent nearly all his life with studying ancient civilizations gets ridiculed, but you accept these guys interpretations? Human race is indeed a strange species.

reply to post by dragnet53


Sitchin did not spend his whole life studying ancient civilizations. He invested heavily in perpetrating a hoax, a fraud.

What we have here in this thread is clear evidence that the IRAS mission was misrepresented in such a blatant manner that I have called it a lie. The wikipedia article was quoted in such a manner to give the idea that the object in question was within the solar system when the article was clear that the object might not be. Shameful.

reply to post by stereologist


LOL I think you are a hoax and a fraud.

reply to post by dragnet53


I see that you again have zero to add to this thread.

Can you in any way support this claim of yours?
Can you show me where I am wrong?
Can you offer evidence to support Lucus?

Part of constructing a time line is to place items on that line in their proper places. There are some dubious dates on the time line supplied by Lucus.

1. Date Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed
2. Date Atlantis is destroyed
3. Exodus
4. fall of Jericho
5. Supe civilization ends
6. Xia in China ends
7. Saber tooth cats go extinct

1. Sodom and Gomorrah
No one can find where these 2 cities existed. There is much speculation as to their location. There are suggested dates.
early Bronze Age - based on assigning some sites near the Dead Sea as the 2 cities
2200BC - based on the notion that cometary debris destroyed cities as reported in the March 30, 1997 issue of the Independent.
2350BC - reported by the BBC that earthquakes destroyed a number of cities near the Dead Sea
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed Article Text
COMET DESTROYED SODOM AND GOMORRAH
The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

2. Atlantis
There is little evidence for the existence of Atlantis. Plato says it was 9000 years before him or 11, 300 years ago. Lucus appears to have made up a date to fit his agenda.

3. Exodus
The lack of archaeological evidence for Exodus makes dating it difficult. Proposed dates include
1450BC - date from early 20th century
1250BC - the later date conceived int he mid 20th century
1600BC - in an attempt to connect eruption of Thera with Exodus

4. fall of Jericho
1400BC - 1930s date determined by Garstang
1550BC - Kenyon's date
1560BC - radiocarbon dates

Exodus

5. Supe
2100BC - based on radiocarbon dating

Archaeological Site in Peru Is Called Oldest City in Americas

6. Xia in China
1558BC - described by the Bamboo Annals. These same records also show that the next dynasty started immediately

7. saber tooths
There are several independent cases of these types of cats developing. The last of these types of cats went extinct approximately 10,000 years ago.

So there you have it. A bunch of cherry picked civilizations, cherry picked by Lucus, do not follow his claim of every 3600 years. These dates are spread all over the place.

Lucus had an agenda. He bent the dates to fit his claims. That's what constitutes a fraud.

reply to post by stereologist


Hmmm soddom and gammorah destroyed by a comet you state? Hmmm Interesting since this Nibiru or red star Kachina is a comet. Interesting that you agree with the rest of us on the red comet.


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[edit on 3-8-2010 by dragnet53]

reply to post by dragnet53


I'm not agreeing with that claim. Who do you think you are, Lucus?

That's a rather pitiful effort to misrepresent my position, which is that Lucus has purposely manipulated the dates to commit a fraud.

It is clear that you support his method which is to bend the facts to fit your agenda. That is rather sad, but has been seen time and time again in your posts dragnet53.

What we have established so far is that:

1. the Norway spiral was misrepresented by Lucus
2. IRAS data was misrepresented by Lucus
3. Petroglyphs were misrepresented by Lucus
4. Dates of events were misrepresented by Lucus

That's really, really bad.