To All Christians, We Need Your Help!

First off many of you know that I am a Wiccan, and have said some things about Organized Religion, Christianity and Islam. this is not an anti-anything post. Please hear me out.

This is Not a recruitment post, nor is it a Patriot post, nor is it anything at all but a simple bit of information, coupled with a plea for help, political and spiritual help as well.

I don't think I need to say America is in trouble. Even though the "economy" seems to be doing better, and the "DOW" is up a little, we have this 1000 pound gorilla in the room. I am taking about
HR 3200.

I have been reading into and researching this Bill for a few days now, as I am sure many of you have. when my government tells me that I have to have a THING, and pay a fine if I don't have the THING, it scares me, and it makes me angry. It also makes me sit for many hours at my computer and search out things. I am curious to a fault, and somewhat of spy, for even though I may use Supernatural means to see what TPTB are doing, I always tell people about what I saw, no matter how crazy it sounds. Sometimes the crazier it sounds, the more truth it is.

Every Christian in the world knows what this means....666: The Mark of the Beast

Here are the main verses on 666, the mark of the beast:

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)www.bibleprophesy.org...

Now check this out....

RFID Chip Created for ID and Healthcare National Human Identification System NHIS

The Mark of the Beast is a hot topic these days. It seems everyone has at least heard of 666, the Antichrist, Armageddon, and other "End Times" terms. However, too many people tend to bundle these concepts together, in a big bundle of Popular Folklore, right along side Nostradamus, UFO's and a myriad of "Conspiracy Theories." I can assure you all that what I am about to show you is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact of life, and soon will have an affect on each and every one of us.

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

(KJB)

Some States have taken an initiative on this, and have passed State Laws preventing RFID implantation in humans.
Virginia Delegates Pass a Bill Banning the Chip Implants as the ‘Mark of the Beast’...(Video at Website)

An RFID chip for everyone?

New Health Care to Be Tracked with Implanted Microchip Required RFID implanted chip

"Sec. 2521, Pg. 1000 - The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. What does a National Medical Device Registry mean? National Medical Device Registry from H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008: (g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘(B)and is— ‘‘(i) a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.” Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B: ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to information respecting a device described in paragraph (1), including claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an "implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

See it for yourself: www.fda.gov...

It's IN THE BILL, People!

(Quote from Website)
RFID Chip Created for ID and Healthcare National Human Identification System NHIS

Watch this video regarding Verichip and the implantable microchip, which will combine money, identity, and health records in one convenient package. Then read the article HR 3200 Institutes a National Human Identification System – NHIS. Verichip makes the chip, the FDA creates the registry, and Congress mandates health insurance, which includes the NHIS registry and database. Do the math.

FDA Approval VeriChip RFID Implant Class 2 Device 12Oct04

And if THAT is not bad Enough, Obama has now passed a Bill that can clean out your Bank Account, friend. H.R. 3200 Health Care Reform Bill - Obama Care links your bank account to U.S. Gov!

Have I made my point yet? Do I have your full attention now?
Christians are a Power in America, right? You all say it all the time, this is a Christian Nation, America and the Constitution is based on the Bible and Christianity.

Take this power, Christians, and use it at the Voting Booth next election. Forget how much the candidate pretend to be a good Christian, and forget that the religion of the person who is running at all. Vote for the man, or woman who believes in core values, things like the Articles of confederation, and the Constitution of the United States of America, and the Bill of rights, and the First, second, and tenth Amendments to the Constitution.

We all have to stand together, shoulder to shoulder, and fight this New World Order, and we need to hurt them where it hurts the worst. How do you hurt a person like a Rothschild, or a Rockefeller? You hurt then in the wallet. You take their money away from them. This is a lesson I learned as a child...my Father said to me, "you can take that man and beat his head in with a Louisville Slugger, and he will heal up and be the same. If you want to really hit him where it hurts, hit him in the wallet," he said. "that hurt never goes away."

The point is, either we all stand together, and stop listening to the many false voices that invade our ears most of the time, and stop looking at the talking heads that, instead of reporting the news, are busy running a "show," they even call it a show!

Let's vote the Fat Cats out, for once, and for all. Let the working Man and Women have Representation in the Congress, and let the Senate work for us. Let the United States Treasury
print our Money, and let our President be our Servant, not our Master.

Last, but not least, I ask a prayer for those poor, trapped miners in W. Virginia, and for their families who stand waiting news.......

I am afraid it is already too late.
Americans have not woke up yet
after years of us right wingers
shouting it from the rooftops.
It won't do any good. They will
not see it coming until they are
standing in line, cold, hungry,
tired and beat down. Then they will
accept it without question.
It's too late to start now.

Hi there, wiccan... I'm with you and will fight to the end. But be advised... I have read the book and I know what's coming despite our best intentions...and it will be brutal, and tragic.

By the way, and forgive my iggnorance, but if you believe what you are seeing and see it happening as described in the Bible...why are you Wiccan and not Christian?

pretty much down to earth...cool i agree but we ain't got a chance....plan "b" and be ready for anything. no need to leave the states, stay a get jiggy with it. what would john wayne do....

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So is Sunday worship!

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

The reason they claim they are “above the Bible” is because they look upon the Protestant churches that claim to follow the Bible “only,” yet they are keeping Sunday as sabbath which is actually a law written only in Catholic dogma. The Sunday sabbath is not found anywhere in the bible of the Protestant. Hence, the Catholic Church naturally believes they are above the Bible because all churches do as she commands over and above what their own bibles command.

www.remnantofgod.org...

I believe we may see a combination of both as Rome reasserts her "antichrist" authority,as prophecied by the "wound healing".

From the same link:

Antichrist receives "deadly wound" that later heals.

Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."
As we just saw, the "deadly wound" was given to the Papacy by Napoleon in 1798. The Vatican still continued as a church however. But she was completely stripped of her civil and political power just as the prophecy declared. Then, suddenly in 1929, we see the Italian government recognizing Vatican City once again as an independent state. This political move once again made the Pope a religio-political power! Just as prophecy said, the mortal wound that was administered in 1798 by Napoleon was supposed to be healed. Notice how the newspapers of that day actually used prophetic language without realizing it..






Mussolini and (Cardinal) Gasspari sign historic Roman pact.
"The Roman question tonight was a thing of the past, and the Vatican was at peace with Italy... In affixing the autographs to the memorable document healing the wound of many years, extreme cordiality was displayed on both sides" -The San Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 11, 1929



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Pope Becomes Ruler Of A State Again

Rome, June 7.--From 11 o' clock this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. At that time Premier Mussolini, as Italian Foreign Minister representing King Victor Emmanuel--the first Italian Premier ever to cross the threshold of the Vatican--exchanged with Cardinal Gasparri, Papal Secretary of State, representing Pope Pius XI, ratifications of the treaties signed at the Lateran Palace on Feb. 11. By that simple act the sovereign independent State of Vatican City came into existence. -New York Times July 7, 1929








FACT: Many know that the devil always seeks to mock or counterfeit the Truth in the Word of God relating to Christ and His ministry. For example.. the virgin birth was counterfeited by the birth of Tammuz the son of Nimrod on December 25. Have you ever noticed this though? Jesus walked the earth exactly 3.5 years before being killed. He then resurrected just as prophecy declared He would. The Antichrist walked about killing people for exactly 3.5 prophetic years, or 1260 days, which is actually 1260 years in reality. His "main man" the Pope is then "killed" by Napoleon when he dies in exile and the Vatican is no longer in power. But the Antichrist also resurrected in 1929! This prophetic jurisprudence is no mistake. Plus, it now leads to my favorite prophecy of all when exposing Rome and it's true Satanic fruit.

Forgive me if I drifted off topic! I have some thoughts about the RFID chip,as well,that I will relate in a bit.

(Laundry calling!).....

Autowrench, I appreciate your call to arms, and urge you to post the names of any candidates you are able to recommend or who are recommended by others of similar mind and goals.

These implements of democracy are being shoved right out the door and need our full support right now.

If anyone knows of a candidate who deserves support, please post their name here so that others in your area can have a choice, and some options that are more in line with the will of the people and the needs of our country at this particular time.

Bravo, and I agree wholeheartedly.

On the Edge, as always you educate and explain masterfully the framework of what many agree is the vehicle of the Antichrist, the counterfeit church. I also have noticed that the reign and life of the "original" church (Catholic) and well as it's branch, the Protestants, fits the time and description of the AntiChrist and his beast, across longer time periods, and across many waters. She has drunk the blood of the saints. Isolated many from God by misrepresenting Him and His true church.

The truth is that the real church is in the same place as it always has been, in the minds and hearts of those who look up and wonder, Is there more?
Answering that question, seeking the answers, is what causes one to find that God is truly real, and to begin to revere Him, and act as a member of the true church, helping others, being humble in the face of His majesty, and daring to believe that He is real, and that love is the greatest of all things, and so are things motivated by love or concern over the true well-being of others.

Yes the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

And we each get to choose between good and evil.

May people have been seduced by the false promise of wealth and power.
They believe that money, weaponry, and powerful friends will keep them safe and comfortable when TSHTF.

It is now much too late to change anything, maybe even yourself.

Each of us is about to reap a very personal harvest of exactly what we have sown in our lives.

This thread provides good background. It`s also real current, even if it was pushed off the lists, so don`t feel too dated by reading it!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by autowrench


I am on your side. It seems as if things really could be heading in that direction. I will refuse to be chipped if it comes down to it, and I hope you do as well.

Honestly, I think this ride has to be ridden to the end. I think it's simple to late, nevertheless I completely agree with you.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Then they will
accept it without question.
It's too late to start now.

Yeah, I have noticed Americans can be pretty dumb these days when it comes to critical thinking and understanding events that occur over a period of time. They like to justify everything away without thinking about what their choices mean for the future, or what their past choices meant for today. Then, when the future comes, they don't understand that their earlier choices are what brought them there.

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Yeah, I have noticed Americans can be pretty dumb these days when it comes to critical thinking and understanding events that occur over a period of time. They like to justify everything away without thinking about what their choices mean for the future, or what their past choices meant for today. Then, when the future comes, they don't understand that their earlier choices are what brought them there.

Wow that was deep and very insightful!
2nd line

This has already been debunked. NOWHERE in the bill does it say you HAVE to get a chip, or that you'll suffer any negative consequences if you don't.

They only mention the chip in relation to the national health registry, a databank where they store information about medical devices (Class I, Class II, etc.). It's a way to evaluate those instruments, and to regulate their use where necessary. The chips are a Class II device, and they have their medical uses...but it doesn't say in the bill that you have to get one.

Stop fear mongering!!

Originally posted by MrXYZ
This has already been debunked. NOWHERE in the bill does it say you HAVE to get a chip, or that you'll suffer any negative consequences if you don't.

They only mention the chip in relation to the national health registry, a databank where they store information about medical devices (Class I, Class II, etc.). It's a way to evaluate those instruments, and to regulate their use where necessary. The chips are a Class II device, and they have their medical uses...but it doesn't say in the bill that you have to get one.

Stop fear mongering!!

As for right now I agree with you. The mark of the beast will be used to buy, sell, and trade. Right now the chip is just what you say it is. If it ever changes to include the things I've said above, then we have a problem. Also the mark will be forced apon you, and if you don't take it you will be killed. Right now the chip isnt that, but it could be someday down the road. Personally I for one will be keeping my eye on it.

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I wish Christians were as powerful and organized as you seem to think we are.

Problem is, we're spread all over the political spectrum and couldn't agree on anything if we tried. There's so many factions just within the Catholic Church, you wouldn't believe it.

Throw in a few thousand varieties of Christianity on top of that and you've got pure mayhem.

Originally posted by Northwarden
This thread provides good background. It`s also real current, even if it was pushed off the lists, so don`t feel too dated by reading it!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hey, thanks for calling that to my attention. Didn't see it before. I don't want any microchip implanted under my skin, not any bar code tattoo either, that kind of crap is for the birds! We have forgotten who and what we are, and the sooner we come to see that, the better off we will be. When I say "We," I mean all of us Americans. We are a family, for better or worse, and only by working together can we make America great again. Towns need to come together, in love, and see to it that all in the town are fed and clothed. When someone is wronged, it is dealt with at a County level, with a public court. We have Peace Officers, not policy enforcers. You cops in here know which of these you are. We have hospitals that are supported by the community, and doctors who work to heal, not to make the almighty dollar.

I have looked into the Future, and it is bare. It is not yet written. So, how do we write it, friends? Do we change, or do we continue to kill innocents? Do we break the corporation, or still let them rule over us? Do we follow our most sacred documents, or stamp freedom completely out? Life is all about choices, people, from the very moment of waking up, you make a decision, a yes, or a no. "Do I get up and pee, or lay here for 5 more minutes?" Every single thing you do, ever, is always a choice, one or the other. Yes, or No, 1 or 0.

I tend to believe that we are all waking up to that which is unknown and not yet experienced. We are coming into the knowledge that we are all of the same source material, and that which I speak of is what humans think of as God Almighty. We are Masters of the Universe, whether we all come to that or not.

There is nothing we can do as a whole, but pray. It's what you do as a individual that is important. I don't think america is even going to make it to the Tribulation. Since we now have a Anti-semite President, and no longer back Israel. This could be a big problem in the big picture of things. all you can do is not take the Chip. everything else has been pre-planned by God.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Hi there, wiccan... I'm with you and will fight to the end. But be advised... I have read the book and I know what's coming despite our best intentions...and it will be brutal, and tragic.

By the way, and forgive my iggnorance, but if you believe what you are seeing and see it happening as described in the Bible...why are you Wiccan and not Christian?

That you, I would expect no less from anyone, and that is my point. We let religion, politics, sex, and race divide us all all times. We cannot yet fully see that which their leaders do behind their backs, and in dark rooms. Here is my knowledge. The Leaders of this world practice an ancient art form you may call witchcraft. Witchcraft means "Craft of the Wise," and the Forces that are available for the asking, provided certain rituals are performed, are very powerful indeed. I myself have seen some of these Forces. Some are dark, and ugly.
All have names, symbols, sigils, planet, earth sign color, number appearance. They go by names popular in religion and mythology, which are the same, really. If any one would like a taste of what I am taking about here, read this book:
The Golden Dawn: The Original Account of the Teachings, Rites & Ceremonies of the Hermetic Order (Israel Regardie)

Beware, some of these forces are as right as rain, and some are pure evil. Also, unknown to most, there is an Ether, and upon it's plane walk all that mankind/womankind creates.... every God, every Goddess, every Devil, every Demon, Ghosts, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy ET Beings, Reptilians, they all live up there, and yes, it is up, not down. We are the CREATORS.

The reason I am not a "Christian," is the same reason I am not a "Muslim," or "Hindu," "Jewish," or "Satanist." All have a "book" that is inspired by "God," (their version) and this book is the only truth, other religious books are evil, only one true path to GOD.
We are God, friend, all of us. ALL OF US. Wake the hell up!

Originally posted by Target Earth
Since we now have a Anti-semite President, and no longer back Israel.

Israel and the Zionists, rebuilding their temple for the coming ANTICHRIST and the new world order (based in Jerusalem) are the problem, not the solution.

Nobody backs Israel anymore, because the entire world recognizes Israel for what it truly is.

Do you really believe that the people plotting and scheming behind the USS Liberty attack, and 9/11 are truly God's chosen people.

I think not.



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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
pretty much down to earth...cool i agree but we ain't got a chance....plan "b" and be ready for anything. no need to leave the states, stay a get jiggy with it. what would john wayne do....

[edit on 6-4-2010 by GBP/JPY]

Actually, we do have a chance. We can step out from our human containers and become that which is feared by all who would seek to control. Face it, sooner or later, some fool will push the button, and set off the end of this would as we known it, or, a cosmic event will do the same thing. Nobody knows when this will happen, but evidence is coming out that the so called Planet X is coming back, bearing those who created us all those many years ago. We are a part of a very high order of Spirit, even though most are blind to this, it is true. We are creatures of light, and we are immortal. We create our own reality, always. We live in a dream brought on by our own selves, for we all enjoy human life, with it's many emotional levels, and ways, the tastes and the smells, what it feels like to touch another, to drink cold beer, or eat chocolate cake, or smoke a cigarette, or have sex. We can come here anytime. Let us go to another place of our liking, and began again. Teach the people that this Earth is not only their home, but also their Mother, and teach them never to dominate Her, nor her representatives here on Earth, our wives, daughters, grandmothers, lovers. To take care of Her, and never pump out Her fluids, not to mine Her veins. The live in harmony with Her, and help her in any and all ways that we can.