Propaganda Spin: Vatican says pope target of 'hate' campaign

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Blames allegations of abuse cover-up on groups with anti-Catholic agenda

Vatican City-- The Vatican heatedly defended Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday, claiming accusations that he helped cover up the actions of pedophile priests are part of an anti-Catholic "hate" campaign targeting the pope for his opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage.

Vatican Radio broadcast comments by two senior cardinals explaining "the motive for these attacks" on the pope and the Vatican newspaper chipped in with spirited comments from another top cardinal.

"The pope defends life and the family, based on marriage between a man and a woman, in a world in which powerful lobbies would like to impose a completely different" agenda, Spanish Cardinal Julian Herranz, head of the disciplinary commission for Holy See officials, said on the radio.

Herranz didn't identify the lobbies but "defense of life" is Vatican shorthand for anti-abortion efforts.

Also arguing that Benedict's promotion of conservative family models had provoked the so-called attacks was the Vatican's dean of the College of Cardinals, Angelo Sodano.

"By now, it's a cultural contrast," Sodano told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. "The pope embodies moral truths that aren't accepted, and so, the shortcomings and errors of priests are used as weapons against the church."

Italian Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, who heads the Vatican City State's governing apparatus, also defended Benedict.

The pope "has done all that he could have" against sex abuse by clergy of minors, Lajolo said on Vatican radio, decrying what he described as a campaign of "hatred against the Catholic church."

Any of these senior officials in the catholic church wonder why there is hatred against them?

The pope did all he could my a$$. He did nothing he turned the blind eye to protect the church. That itself is a crime and who knows how that is all he could have done.

I am getting sick of hearing about the Church trying to spin this in all different directions rather than giving up their people and making them face justice like every other person does.

Any thoughts?

Pred...

So they are going to try and twist the abuse scandal into a "Hey, lets blame this on things we don't like and hope people will believe us if we say it enough" That is just low, well that's an understatement. I can't find the words for how disgusted I am with the church heads for doing this.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by ItsAgentScully]

Riiiight. The pope is the victim now, eh? Just because he goes temporarily blind, deaf, and dumb when child molestation accusations are around?

Speaking solely for myself, "hate" isn't a strong enough word for the actions of him and those who actually did the molesting. Knowing it is happening and choosing to ignore it is just as bad as actually doing it.

There is a special place for all of them, and they preach about it at least once a week.

i saw a pencil drawing the other day, it showed the pope holding two stone tablets (ten commandments look a like) on one tablet it said "who you have sex with is OUR business" and on the other "who we have sex with is none of yours"

i thought it summed it up pretty well, wish i could find it again, i just did a few searches but couldn't find it

Nope.
The poop - I mean the pope is the target of a "truth" campaign.
Damn. It's taken a long time - but better late than never.

I understand how this topic brings forth strong emotions, but I am concerned that there is a formulated campaign against the Catholic church. That being said, I am not Catholic. The current charges originated in Wisconsin and were quickly dismissed by local authorities. Because of this, the Vatican did not pursue it any further. Isn't it quite odd that the media really hit the issue hard on Easter Sunday?...a tad bit much I thought.

Think about where the money goes...eventually to the Rotschild's. What if you wanted to pressure the Catholic church and basically extort them. A couple of child molesting priests would fit the bill. The resulting lawsuit would require millions in settlements which the bankers would always welcome. I'm just brainstorming one possibility. For myself, I feel that my ignorance precludes any judgement in this matter.

God's Rottweiler, huh. Seems like he needs rapped on the nose with a newspaper and told "NO!". Bad pope! No mass!

How is it the leaders of these religions are JUST like the politicians and the rest of the elite? What's worse, they dont even have any respect or reverence for their respective 'god' to actually own up to bad behavior!

Originally posted by ibiubu
I understand how this topic brings forth strong emotions, but I am concerned that there is a formulated campaign against the Catholic church. That being said, I am not Catholic.

Strong emotions?
They have been molesting for years - we know this - we aren't guessing -
this isn't a formulated campaign - it's fact that has been closeted for a
very long time.

This is despicable. Period. The Catholics have too much power and too much control.
Along with many other "high" ranking world controllers.
They all need to be outed. They talk about evil. This is evil.

This isn't against God - or Christianity - it's against the men who abused many children under the guise of goodness.

Having said that - I was raised Catholic.


[edit on 6-4-2010 by spinkyboo]

Nice to see the Vatican running scared.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't long ago that I heard that "The Vatican thinks in centuries, not in days or stories" seems like the age of RSS feeds and their backlash has caught up with the ol' Nazi bank which hides paedophiles.

Now we just need a court willing to hold them accountable and it's bye-bye coffer gold.

-m0r

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Playing the victim card,,wow ballsy. Letting pedophiles do whatever they want within a institution that demands obedience does not stand for anything except money and power. And this is what represents Catholics.

spinkyboo,

I guess that I was speaking more to the reason why the charges keep coming up in the media. They are going after the current Pope for whatever reason...maybe to get him out so that the Armageddon prophecy is fulfilled LOL. This "when he knew" and "what he did or didn't do about it" seems unimportant in general. But, that's just my opinion.

I'm not Catholic, but I had a drunken Catholic priest on my paper route...a horrible man. I never knew what went on, what was proven, and how much went on. It seems to be a huge problem judging by what's come out in the media over the years.

If pedophilia within the Catholic church is that systemic or maybe even encouraged, why are people still Catholic's? I believe someone, not saying who, would not be happy with people that continued to follow a religion that is guilty of this.

Well the hate is deserved as these allegations come forward....something will be done.

But yes this is obviously a organized attack upon the Church.


And this stuff makes my stomach turn as we have criminals/pedophiles in charge of the very foundations of Western Society.

Something will be done.



[edit on 6-4-2010 by whiteraven]

Beg to differ this is definitely an organized attack on the church. This is news, opinion and rhetoric gone viral. Too much information is available concurrently to be contained and managed these days. It part of a larger mass wakup call that "things" may not be as we've been led to believe in the Church, in our other institutions and governments, in the wars, in the streets - and definitely not in the best interests of humanity. If one must consider this an attack, it's on our viewpoints and thought processes not merely the Church.

gj

Originally posted by spinkyboo
They have been molesting for years - we know this - we aren't guessing - this isn't a formulated campaign - it's fact that has been closeted for a very long time.

This is an issue that's being blown WAAAY out of proportion by those who hate the Church. Pure and simple.

Fact: Out of all the millions of Catholic clergy in the world, a small handful are perverts who enjoy diddling children, and their victims represent a small number, indeed. I dare say that there are other professions in which we see far more child abuse — as in the daycare industry and in the public school system.

Why this special vehemence against the Catholic Church, hmm?

Fact: Nowhere in the Christian scriptures is the diddling of children condoned; rather, it is stated quite bluntly that those who abuse children would be better off with a millstone tied around their necks and deposited in the deepest part of the ocean. The Church does not teach nor condone child abuse. For this reason, there are relatively few pedophiles and homosexual perverts in the Church compared to other institutions and communities.

Why this special vehemence against the Catholic Church?

If this outpouring of hatred is directed solely at institutions that cover up pedophilia, then why aren't we seeing such a campaign of vitriol against the public school system, where I know damned well there are many, many more cases of child abuse and cover-up every fekking day?

Again, why this special vehemence against the Catholic Church?

It's because a lot of people out there simply hate the Church and want to see it brought down. Frankly, they don't care that a mere handful of people have been sexually molested, and they don't care that quite a few of the "victims" are nothing more than opportunists making false allegations in hopes of monetary compensation. The important thing to the Church-haters is that the Church gets a lasting black eye.

It's nothing new.

Christians have been persecuted and maligned and accused of all sorts of dreadful things over the centuries and the millennia by those who hate them. Christians are murdered en masse all over the world to this very day, but there's no furious crusade to root out the Christian killers. On the contrary, the stories of mass murders of Christians seem to slip through the cracks, while the sensationalized reports of pedophiles and homosexuals IN THE CHURCH are always elevated to the top headlines on the front page.

I would suggest that this isn't a Church problem at all — rather, it's a homosexual pedophile problem. So... Where are all the homosexual pedophile-haters? They're going to Church.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by ibiubu
This "when he knew" and "what he did or didn't do about it" seems unimportant in general. But, that's just my opinion.

Lets play make-believe:
Imagine you have grandchildren, sweet little kids you adore.
Imagine these kids are getting angry and miserable, and for years you try to help them but you can't work out what's wrong.
Imagine finally finding out that your son has been sexually abusing your grandchildren all this time, and his wife knew all along and was covering up for him.
Yes, you'd hate your son, but how much respect would you have for his wife?

Would you want her then put in a position of authority where she could cover for millions of men who were molesting little children?

Why do you expect a history of such disgusting behaviour to not matter in a Pope?

Kallassa (I don't know how to copy/paste stuff yet as I'm new),

I would most certainly have issues with both the son and wife to be sure. If the Pope was complicit in these affairs than he is guilty of this travesty. But, would I put them in a position of authority??? What does a position of authority mean? To a degree, religion is about control...this control requires a doctrine that one must adhere to and a hierarchy. Implicit in a hierarchy is inequality (some people are more important/powerful than others). And, power corrupts. For me, I would never get involved in such a situation as this (religion) nor would I get my children involved with it.

The original alteration of christianity occurred during the council of nicea...the Nicene Creed introduced the trinity, meaning Christ was God (more than that actually, but the basic result). Christians were in disagreement, and the Syrian Orthodox Church for example never agreed to the Nicene Creed...what does this mean? Well, Catholicism is one of many forms of Christianity whose Christ beliefs are significantly different. The Orthodox christians argued that by assigning Christ God-like powers, it opened the door for other men to be God or closer to God. Isn't the Pope closer to God?. I don't believe in hierarchy and altars, nor did Jesus Christ. This is detailed at length in Emmet Fox's book "The Sermon on the Mount."

[edit on 7-4-2010 by ibiubu]

Originally posted by spinkyboo
Nope.
The poop - I mean the pope is the target of a "truth" campaign.
Damn. It's taken a long time - but better late than never.

And when people finally understand what the Catholic Church actually is, they are going to be very, very angry...

reply to post by predator0187


Of course he's the target of a hate campaign. When someone has that kind of power and they use it to cover up and mask corruption and abuse there is going to be a generation of outrage and 'hate'.

So yeah, he's the target of a campaign of hate, but he deserves it, there is no excuse for some of the stuff that goes on within the Catholic Church and if the Vatican won't do anything to address it the first time maybe continuous public outrage will get the job done (though I doubt it, the faithful seem quick to forgive and forget the sins these "holy" men commit)

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I agree, but seriously what else do these people need. I understand there is pedophile's in other places, but this is the place that they preach is safe. They try to play up how big the church is and how they do good for people. They hoard money, and build gigantic churches when Jesus did not even want. A crossed religion and the people who believe in it are the people that know nothing about it.

My thing is how have these people not noticed what a crock the church is already? How much more of a psychopathic God can they get?

It disappoints me to think that people still support the church. If they believe in God why do they have to go to a gigantic church ran by money hoarding people? These people sound more like their satan representatives than their god representatives...

Pred

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

This is an issue that's being blown WAAAY out of proportion by those who hate the Church. Pure and simple.

Fact: Out of all the millions of Catholic clergy in the world, a small handful are perverts who enjoy diddling children, and their victims represent a small number, indeed. I dare say that there are other professions in which we see far more child abuse — as in the daycare industry and in the public school system.

Why this special vehemence against the Catholic Church, hmm?
— Doc Velocity

I strongly disagree that this is being blown out of proportion. The reason why it is being made into such a big deal--again-- is only partially because priests are molesting children. The other part...and I suspect this is the part that really lights people's torches...is that the Catholic church doesn't fire these priests, doesn't have them arrested, doesn't excommunicate them. What do they do as punishment for molesting children? They allow them to keep their jobs, their freedom, their "good standing" in the church. The priests get moved to a new town where they can start the whole cycle of destruction all over again.

The church pays some families off, pays lawsuits, and then brushes its hands and goes about their day.

That is why people are angry. And rightfully so.