The WikiLeaks Video on Youtube - Questions...

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Once again, we see evidence of YouTube tampering with results for the Videos on their site.

The video released by WikiLeaks has had just 359 views, when I watched it on the YouTube site.

However, I decided to rate the video, and it has had 4834 positive and 394 negative ratings, respectively. Making a total of 5228 ratings.

How could this video have received so many ratings with only 359 views. Just for posterity I have taken a screen shot of the page, and will upload it shortly.

Just to add, I am sickened to my core, by what I saw in the video, as I am sure many of you are. Lets get this information out to as many people as we can.

Here is the screen shot I promised...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c4100d588863.jpg[/atsimg]

Anyone got any ideas, thoughts, etc.?

Youtube does not do real time updates to the view count.

They do real time updates to the Ranking system as it governs where videos are in the linup of search.

The view count is updated every 3 to 4 hours on average and for videos with many, many views as little as once a day.

~Keeper

I was once a skeptic on this issue myself but it was brought to my attention that this happens to a lot of videos. I was told to wait 3 days and then to make a decision on whether the views are being withheld or not.

My initial theory is that withholding views will prevent the video from going to the top popular videos and thusly not get as much notice as it should.

Has been discussed quite a few time in this thread.

Pretty much everyone agrees the view counter in NOT real-time and updates whenever it feels like doing so.

Im not even getting it in a Utube search . Just two 2 min. posts , one from russia.

Originally posted by CalibratedZeus
Has been discussed quite a few time in this thread.

Pretty much everyone agrees the view counter in NOT real-time and updates whenever it feels like doing so.

One of the big reasons is view count is a manual process and Youtube has to literally make the video un-available for a a few mins while they do so.

So they don't do it when it's peak internet traffic times. Which is to say from Noon to about 7 PM.

~Keeper

Look, this is a long standing issue with you tube. i.e. Ron Paul.

What the hell is going on with youtube anyway?
They changed everything.
They don't show you when it was made, or how long it's been up.

Look, I don't even think I can get the embed to link a youtube video to here anymore.


All the embed codes are the same for all the videos, I can't post a youtube link, or use my youtube downloader.

I'm not that youtube savy, but I don't like the changes they've made one bit.

Maybe I just need help?
Why isn't everyone talking about this?



ah, there it is

[edit on 5-4-2010 by 517.101]

It seems that whilst, the suggestion for the "page views" isn't in real time, it is rather odd.

I recall that back in the 90's when page counters were just being invented, they didn't require any manual intervention.

I've seen video view counters that don't require manual invervention. I've seen it happen on YouTube too.

I do wonder why it is that YouTube cannot have their page counters running in realtime. Could it be so that they can disable videos if they become too popular, more quickly than they would like?

reply to post by dampnickers


That would seem like the reason isn't it?

They CAN manipulate it if they fail to reload the page with the proper views, although I think this is more due to the fact that with hundreds of millions of people using and uploading video everyday, it would take a ridiuculous ammount of processing to create an auto fix program IMO.

I don't even think it's manual as in some guy has to fix it, it's probably automated but just runs every now and then to update in one big chunk as to not wear down the servers with unnecessary updates.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I can somewhat agree with you, but I have programmed the odd website in my time, and knowing that a page view/video play is a simple matter of logging the file access (which is done anyway), it raises the question.

In Windows when you access a file, the date showing when the file was last "modified" is immediately altered. This is the same on most computer systems.

On a web server there is a log of files accessed, etc. It would take nothing to add a small snippet of code into the page, to log the counter.

I would even go so far as to say there is a central database that collects the details of the pages and videos viewed, that the counters connect to it.

YouTube will not be on a single server, rather a large bank, possible several banks, of servers. One of these (possible two or three) will be responsible for that central database...

That's my thought.

A little off topic, but relevant nonetheless... I just tried connecting to the video from wikileaks to youtube and youtube has it "content blocked" such that you have to "sign in" to see it. Since I am not registered with youtube (and don't plan to be) this video would not have been available for me to see... I wonder how many others will miss out?

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Video is all over MSN now... so if there really was an effort by youtube to suppress, it's for naught.

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[edit on 5-4-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by dampnickers
I do wonder why it is that YouTube cannot have their page counters running in realtime. Could it be so that they can disable videos if they become too popular, more quickly than they would like?

In a previous post I said the following:

"An example, although not many will agree, is when Chris Crocker was making videos and YouTube wouldn't allow the videos to be listed as top videos. I would source you to where Crocker explains it in a video but I unfortunately forgot the name of the title. :/ "

It is a good example how YouTube can and will block videos from being popular at their will at any time.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
A little off topic, but relevant nonetheless... I just tried connecting to the video from wikileaks to youtube and youtube has it "content blocked" such that you have to "sign in" to see it. Since I am not registered with youtube (and don't plan to be) this video would not have been available for me to see... I wonder how many others will miss out?

There's actually a legality issue with youtube that prevents them from just having everybody see the video.

They have to place age restriction or verification on things that show violent real images such as this.

It really is to protect little kids from stumbling on there.

It's a crap answer I know, since kids can see far worse things on any other website than this.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Ah, thank you.
Reasonable explanation, I suppose.
Gotta keep the lawsuits to a minimum...

reply to post by dampnickers


There lies the problem though. Youtube is owned by Google which means the servers were probably transfered to their barge in the Mid Atlantic Data Centers.

Even with a dozen or 100 servers attempting to crunch that much data from all over the world, it's still takes a considerable ammount of time.

There are many other ways for them to censor the video from going viral, like the age restriction they implemented and only allowing registered users to view.

From an IT perspective, YouTube is actually very sloppy.

~Keeper

[edit on 4/5/2010 by tothetenthpower]

Don't give me that crap about servers propagating; it's all bullsh*t!

They are cencoring the video without a doubt!

They will do everything in their power to make sure this thing doesn't go viral, and that's why I have done everything in my power to make sure it does.

I watched and have also downloaded both versions, and then uploaded it onto several other online video websites like YouTube, so that it cannot be stopped so easily. You just wait for it to gain momentum, and it will!

Furthermore, I am making a DVD of them now and when I'm done, it's getting sent to every major newspaper headquarters in the UK, as well as all of the so-called news tv show headquarters. Let's see if they still think Wayne Rooney's torn calf muscle or Tiger Woods's sex habits are currently the biggest news stories around. I fuc*ing hate this dictatorship bol*ocks we're being spoonfed, I can't stand watching even 1 minute of news at the moment. Liars and cheats, all of whom decide on what to tell us.

The power and the truth to the people, always...

Peace, Love and Light!

NibiruWarrior

[Edit to add]: 359 views and counting (not)! Other sites, which it is now available on, do not have logins for members and are anonymous to upload videos to, so prepare for everyone to be able to see it in the next few hours



[edit on 5/4/10 by NibiruWarrior]

Not only is Youtube squashing this video from going viral, a lot of youtube save video sites have banned this video from being downloaded.

Originally posted by NibiruWarrior


Don't give me that crap about servers propagating; it's all bullsh*t!

They are cencoring the video without a doubt!

They will do everything in their power to make sure this thing doesn't go viral, and that's why I have done everything in my power to make sure it does.

I watched and have also downloaded both versions, and then uploaded it onto several other online video websites like YouTube, so that it cannot be stopped so easily. You just wait for it to gain momentum, and it will!

Furthermore, I am making a DVD of them now and when I'm done, it's getting sent to every major newspaper headquarters in the UK, as well as all of the so-called news tv show headquarters. Let's see if they still think Wayne Rooney's torn calf muscle or Tiger Woods's sex habits are currently the biggest news stories around. I fuc*ing hate this dictatorship bol*ocks we're being spoonfed, I can't stand watching even 1 minute of news at the moment. Liars and cheats, all of whom decide on what to tell us.

The power and the truth to the people, always...

Peace, Love and Light!

NibiruWarrior

[Edit to add]: 359 views and counting (not)! Other sites, which it is now available on, do not have logins for members and are anonymous to upload videos to, so prepare for everyone to be able to see it in the next few hours

[edit on 5/4/10 by NibiruWarrior]

Not everything is a conspiracy friend.

And really the video isn't that significant.

There are hundreds of videos that show US forces doing things that would be considered war crimes if any other nation did them and recorded it.

Hundreds.

This won't explode, this will be forgotten by next week by ALL of us including the MSM and those who are worried of it's release.

People just don't care if it's not happening in their own country.

Hell Guantanamo is what, 90 miles from the US coast? With the atrocities that have on there, you'd think there would be a HUGE uprising to have it closed.

Alas that's not the case. It certainly won't change with this.

~Keeper

Originally posted by star in a jar
Not only is Youtube squashing this video from going viral, a lot of youtube save video sites have banned this video from being downloaded.

I use software installed on my PC to steal YouTube videos before they are removed or incapacitated. I have already put it on several other YouTube-like sites, and at this point in time my PC is rendering the videos to be put onto DVDs for distribution.

There is no way they are stopping this from getting out, and I am doing everything in MY power to help it along, like a good little anarchist.

Well, what did they expect...