HAARP Active @ 7.406Mhz Shortwave

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mirageofdeceit

 

I'll ask the same thing I asked the OP.

How did you know it was HAARP you were listening to? Are you basing that conclusion just on the strength of the signal or something else?

First of all, the way it cut through the frequencies - it was relatively broadband, cutting through maybe 100 kHz of bandwidth.

I then jumped on the 'net and searched on the frequency. It is quite common to hear it on the frequency I was listening to, apparently, at the time I was listening to it.

I have no sources better than that.

So basically you heard a frequency whose origin you have no idea of, and you went on the internet and just assumed it was HAARP. That's a very scientific trail of evidence.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
There are two kinds of Shuman frequency, one which is about the SOUND the earth makes, and the other is the EM radiation which is involved.

I don't think so. Is there any reputable site that states there is a sound? An actual physics sort of site, not a new age one?

I already explained this to you using the basic math of music. If we extend or transpose the traditional pre war music scale (where A5 is tuned in 432Hz) downwards into the non-hearable spectrum, you eventually end up with the exact same frequency. Go out using an advanced microphone and a Hz meter yourself and do the work, or do the math according to the system I posted, or do a search yourself. I am not at work for you, I'm not your damn professor, it's just the way it is. I don't need a frekking site to back up the obvious. Do the math and refute me if I'm wrong. It's even related to the golden proportion down the road.

So your evidence that some mystical earth resonance exists is simply to apply some vague equations on an arbitrary musical scale and obtain an arbitrary number?

Originally posted by Devino

What is the difference between electro-magnetic and sound waves?

Sound is propagated by longitudinal waves in a medium. It's a compression-rarefaction wave that's propagated due to the elasticity and compressibility of the medium it's passing through.

EM waves propagate by having an electric wave and a magnetic wave at right angles to each other. They are a transverse wave. They don't compress the medium they're passing through the time-varying magnetic field creates the time-varying electric field, which recreates the magnetic field and so on. It doesn't require a medium at all and will propagate in empty space.

They're really not alike in any way.

I understand the basics for the propagation of both types of waves. Sound needs a thicker medium than EM waves do and EM waves propagate at a much faster rate but there are matching frequencies for both, some EM and sound waves have the same frequencies.

Frequency just means the rate per unit time that a thing repeats itself. If you have a sound wave which repeats 100 times a second, then it has a frequency of 100Hz. If I tap my finger 100 times a second, that would set a world record, but it would be a finger tapping frequency, not a sound frequency. If I have a radio wave that repeats 100 times a second, I'd have an ELF radio wave. But just because these things have the same frequency, that doesn't make them co-equal in any way. Frequency is just an attribute of some phenomenon, like speed. A shrike might fly as fast as a softball, but just because they have the same MPH doesn't mean you can convert birds to baseballs.

Electro-magnetic waves can become audible by using a radio receiver and amplifying the wave causing a speaker to vibrate. The big question is can this be done naturally?

What are the very basic components needed to turn a radio wave into sound?

It's a bit more complex than that. First off, when your local AM station plays a record, the electrical waveforms representing the music are impressed on a carrier wave in a process called modulation. This produces a handful of different radio waves that are emitted by the station, which we call the sidebands and the carrier. The sound is encoded in mathematical relationships between the carrier and the sidebands. It doesn't exist as sound, anymore than you could stick the patch cord from the CD player in your ear and hear the music.

The radio waves propagate through space to your radio, where, typically (there's more than one way to do this) the sidebands and carrier are recombined with a detector to produce electrical waveforms representing the music. That's amplified a lot, and then fed to a speaker which is a linear motor, essentially, that turns electrical waveforms into sound waveforms by compressing the air around it.

Can granite in the Earth act like a receiver and energy in the ionosphere amplify this wave to make it audible?

No.

reply to post by rufusdrak


The idea of ressonance is that the EM emission and the sound of the earth is the exact same freqency. If you play a note matching the freqency of the EM output from the Earth's magnetic field, you can actually produce complete silence (ever heard the song Sound of Silence?) inside a supposed completely sound isolated room, since you can face out the very "Earth sound". Hitler is said to have said that he would never use this kind of torture on anyone, for as he explained being exposed to complete silence is worse than being exposed to mustard gas. As a WW1 veteran having seen this gas 101 I'd take him on his word.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Originally posted by djcubed
This thread is getting crazy... Let's all agree on one thing though.

Light and Sound both are in wave form. Waves can produce work. Work can produce movement. Earthquakes are movement.

Entirely possible...

But HAARP wasn't on at the time... So I would try to eliminate other possibilities before settling on the one huge antenna array up north that was off.

Back on topic anyone?

Waves are not all coequal. Sound waves are not radio waves, even though the word 'wave' is used in both cases. Radio waves can indeed produce work, but in general, radio wave interaction with bulk materials produces heating if anything.

Heating does not produce earthquakes.

Entirely unlikely.

reply to post by Bedlam


Everything is waves. Why does the sea move in waves? Light? Sound? Even Gravity as predicted by among others Albert Einstein, which has made governments cooperate in a mission soon ready to launch to detect these gravity waves. Everything related to our sensory system moves in waves, and they are all related. Face out gravity waves and gravity sease to exist perhaps.

Perhaps even our sense of matter is waves, due to string theory, which explains how your hand stops when touching a solid object, and don't pass through.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

The idea of ressonance is that the EM emission and the sound of the earth is the exact same freqency. If you play a note matching the freqency of the EM output from the Earth's magnetic field, you can actually produce complete silence (ever heard the song Sound of Silence?) inside a supposed completely sound isolated room, since you can face out the very "Earth sound". Hitler is said to have said that he would never use this kind of torture on anyone, for as he explained being exposed to complete silence is worse than being exposed to mustard gas. As a WW1 veteran having seen this gas 101 I'd take him on his word.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Here you go again comparing sound to EM. I swear it's truly pointless to even try with you. You're hopelessly ignorant on reality. You live in your own false delusion. So an EM frequency can RESONATE with a sound frequency now and create standing waves and such?
That's interesting considering they're basically propagating through two completely different mediums and don't affect each other in any way.

Originally posted by djcubed
This thread is getting crazy... Let's all agree on one thing though.

Light and Sound both are in wave form. Waves can produce work. Work can produce movement. Earthquakes are movement.

Entirely possible...

But HAARP wasn't on at the time... So I would try to eliminate other possibilities before settling on the one huge antenna array up north that was off.

Back on topic anyone?

You are correct here by assuming HAARP may not have been on ---got proof? Got proof that any other HAARP like facility was on/off?
It is really senseless to all blabber about electro-magentics and radio if there is really no connection.
I have been thinking the same thing for a long while.
BUT here is the KICKER.
Not one de bunker has posted the activity chart of any of the known potential contributors of the outlandish RADIO TRANSMISSION. All they have been doing is techno-babble. If I missed a data post please clue me in. Thanks

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Everything is waves. Why does the sea move in waves? Light? Sound? Even Gravity as predicted by among others Albert Einstein, which has made governments cooperate in a mission soon ready to launch to detect these gravity waves. Everything related to our sensory system moves in waves, and they are all related. Face out gravity waves and gravity sease to exist perhaps.

But you're assuming the waves are the same. Light and sound waves are completely different and propagate completely differently. Go do your research and look up longitudinal waves (sound) versus transverse waves (light) and see how they are completely different mechanisms.

Originally posted by WEALTHunited
GREAT POST...props to the OP....Note however that if any of you do just a tiny bit of research you will find that HAARP is only ONE of MANY similar facilities across the globe with silimar capabilites and technology....google EISCAT...you will find that most of theses facilities( and we are talking hundreds) are funded by International Government.

Well, they're pretty expensive to build. The average guy with 2 kids and a mortgage can't afford to make a really nice steered beam array ionospheric heater.

But if you have millions of dollars to do ionospheric research, give me a call, I'll design you a dandy one. There's LOADS better tech now than when HAARP's exciter was first designed.

believe it OR NOT....certain frequencies can assimilate human EMOTION!

Certain frequencies EAT human emotion? Frequencies of what? Sound? Radio? Hummingbird wing beats?

Sorry have to hang up, this thread wears me out. You guys are pretty much as stuck in the same kinds of boxes as most religious fanatics I tend to discuss with in the CiR forum. Just as full of dogma and conformity, relating to the same kinds of doctrines and the only thing your minds are open for is remembering quotes and I bet none of you have ever invented anything and much less come up with a new idea or concept. Well, some of you, but the gross bandwagon here is full of boring people saying no no no, unless you find harmony with someone speaking the same language. Yur like a curia of cardinals, a Sanhedrin of Pharicees and scribes. Good day to you all, and SMELL THE DAMN ROSES once in a while!!!

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

The idea of ressonance is that the EM emission and the sound of the earth is the exact same freqency. If you play a note matching the freqency of the EM output from the Earth's magnetic field, you can actually produce complete silence (ever heard the song Sound of Silence?) inside a supposed completely sound isolated room, since you can face out the very "Earth sound". Hitler is said to have said that he would never use this kind of torture on anyone, for as he explained being exposed to complete silence is worse than being exposed to mustard gas. As a WW1 veteran having seen this gas 101 I'd take him on his word.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Here you go again comparing sound to EM. I swear it's truly pointless to even try with you. You're hopelessly ignorant on reality. You live in your own false delusion. So an EM frequency can RESONATE with a sound frequency now and create standing waves and such?
That's interesting considering they're basically propagating through two completely different mediums and don't affect each other in any way.

This is a post in my opinion that borderlines the complete disrespect of --- Point of view, Common sense and
Human decency.
Your post contains no relevant material to counter that which the member you pan has provided.
Your opinion does not have the weight to be so utterly obnoxious.
.

My question is, I believe it was Phage that said HAARP frequencies on the ionosphere are so miniscule in power that they wouldn't even heat up a "cold piece of toast". So my one question would be, if HAARP is so powerless and purportedly ineffectual then what the hell is the whole point of the thing then? How can they even measure something in their experiments if they are producing such inconsequentially negligible outputs that wouldn't even heat a "cold piece of toast"?

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

The idea of ressonance is that the EM emission and the sound of the earth is the exact same freqency. If you play a note matching the freqency of the EM output from the Earth's magnetic field, you can actually produce complete silence (ever heard the song Sound of Silence?) inside a supposed completely sound isolated room, since you can face out the very "Earth sound". Hitler is said to have said that he would never use this kind of torture on anyone, for as he explained being exposed to complete silence is worse than being exposed to mustard gas. As a WW1 veteran having seen this gas 101 I'd take him on his word.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Here you go again comparing sound to EM. I swear it's truly pointless to even try with you. You're hopelessly ignorant on reality. You live in your own false delusion. So an EM frequency can RESONATE with a sound frequency now and create standing waves and such?
That's interesting considering they're basically propagating through two completely different mediums and don't affect each other in any way.

This is a post in my opinion that borderlines the complete disrespect of --- Point of view, Common sense and
Human decency.
Your post contains no relevant material to counter that which the member you pan has provided.
Your opinion does not have the weight to be so utterly obnoxious.
.

And this is the problem, where your post completely and utterly fails: It's not opinion. It's proven scientific FACT that EM waves and sound waves are completely different and have nothing in common.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Sorry have to hang up, this thread wears me out. You guys are pretty much as stuck in the same kinds of boxes as most religious fanatics I tend to discuss with in the CiR forum. Just as full of dogma and conformity, relating to the same kinds of doctrines and the only thing your minds are open for is remembering quotes and I bet none of you have ever invented anything and much less come up with a new idea or concept. Well, some of you, but the gross bandwagon here is full of boring people saying no no no, unless you find harmony with someone speaking the same language. Yur like a curia of cardinals, a Sanhedrin of Pharicees and scribes. Good day to you all, and SMELL THE DAMN ROSES once in a while!!!

Right. You're just the typical kid with nothing but fantasy and creativity but no scientific fact or knowledge to back up anything you say.

You see the problem with you generation Y kids is that you think everything, all invention is 90% inspiration and 10% perspiration but it is the exact opposite. You have to pay your dues, LEARN the subject first. Research on what you are talking about to at least acquire a working vocabulary to be able to discuss the topic of your choice with your peers as an equal. But you come out of no where with literally LAUGHABLY wrong inaccuracies and then you accuse us of being small minded when it is in fact YOU who has not done your home work and your research. You disrespect the noble pursuit of knowledge and Truth by not researching ANYTHING about what you are talking about and just spewing inaccurate drivel like 10 pages of preposterous theories about why sound and light are the same to you.
Just do your research and then come back and make a more informed argument with factual evidence, until then have fun in the clouds.

Originally posted by rufusdrak
read their description of Schumann resonance. It's hilarious. They talk about the "acoustic" and "sound" properties of the Schumann resonance and relate it to sound yet in the very next sentence they describe it as an EM wave.

I'm not sure what's so new-agey fascinating about what is a pretty straightforward fields problem. It's not like the thing has much of an affect on your life.

Maybe it's all the neat "frequency" and "resonance" terms.

That topic that crops up a lot, what would you do with a time machine? I think I'd go back in time and kill Madame Blavatsky and Annie Besant, who, I'm pretty sure, were the originators of a lot of the new age terminology theft from science. When you hear people babbling about raising their frequency or resonating their vibrations with the ether or what not, it's from these two, for the most part.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Everything is waves. Why does the sea move in waves? Light? Sound? Even Gravity as predicted by among others Albert Einstein, which has made governments cooperate in a mission soon ready to launch to detect these gravity waves. Everything related to our sensory system moves in waves, and they are all related. Face out gravity waves and gravity sease to exist perhaps.

Perhaps even our sense of matter is waves, due to string theory, which explains how your hand stops when touching a solid object, and don't pass through.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

The term 'wave' is used for all of them, and that's the end of the relationship.

There's no mystical conjoining of spirit or something there.

What about smell? Taste? Touch? No waves there.

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Everything is waves. Why does the sea move in waves? Light? Sound? Even Gravity as predicted by among others Albert Einstein, which has made governments cooperate in a mission soon ready to launch to detect these gravity waves. Everything related to our sensory system moves in waves, and they are all related. Face out gravity waves and gravity sease to exist perhaps.

Perhaps even our sense of matter is waves, due to string theory, which explains how your hand stops when touching a solid object, and don't pass through.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]

The term 'wave' is used for all of them, and that's the end of the relationship.

There's no mystical conjoining of spirit or something there.

What about smell? Taste? Touch? No waves there.

Exactly, they're not even the same types of waves. Neo-mystic sounds like a kid who's just discovered the whole "microcosm/macrocosm" dichotomy for the first time and so in his puerile over-excitement wants to apply it to everything now even things that are proven to be completely unrelated.
Wow ocean water travels in waves and so does light. Amazing! This must mean that if you vibrate ocean waves at the same resonance as light then magical new agey stuff happens! Just sprinkle fairy dust on it!
This type of stuff is detrimental to objective thinking and analysis because it's completely and laughably wrong. Let's just stay on topic.
The only reason we were even discussing waves is because in order to accurately discuss HAARP we must all be on the same playing field and understand that HAARP does not deal with "SOUND" this isn't an orchestral "harp" that you pluck. It deals with electromagnetic radiation waves and so to posit that HAARP can mystically 'resonate' with some sort of magical earth resonance that has both the properties of sound and EM is both spurious and fatuous.

Now question for you guys more knowledgeable on HAARP and its associated charts (Phage, Bedlam).

HAARP on their official site seems to be transparent in showing some of its data, unless I'm reading it wrong. Either way one can access an ongoing 24/7 reading of various instruments from the HAARP site.

137.229.36.30... here is one that apparently shows a giant spike on the graph reading today.

This one above is the magnetometer and shows a giant apparent spike today in earth's magnetosphere at least around the location of the HAARP.

Click on 'data' to see more of the ongoing charts they have. I'm wondering if anything there looks anomalous to you experts?

reply to post by rufusdrak


"And this is the problem, where your post completely and utterly fails: It's not opinion. It's proven scientific FACT that EM waves and sound waves are completely different and have nothing in common. "

You make the statement above now prove it.
You make a statement like the one above that is beyond INGORNANCE unless you can provide sensible data that EM and sound have nothing in common. Not just your meaningless words.