LHC Nut Jobs - Lets Stop this conspiracy stuff NOW

1) Under the recent trails the LHS was running at 3.5 TEV and upgraded to 7.

Lets put these 'massive' figures into some perspective.

A cup of black coffee has about 10^23 electron Volts of energy - that's 3 kcalories. LHC at the moment is 7 x 10^12 eV

In simple terms.....

That means that each LHC collision has 10,000,000,000 times less energy than a cup of black coffee.

Thus the thread on here earlier stating that the LHC matches Egyptian drawings to create worm holes is complete twaddle.

If you want to follow anyone with a decent insight into these things twitter.com... and watch his BBC series the wonders of the solar system. About to condlude tonight exploring the possibilities of life on other planets.

He also explicitly explains how physics people accurately predicted the geothermal activity on Jupiters moons against the advice of planetary scientists whom thought they would be dead.

Worth downloading off many good torrent sites for those in the usa.

mmmm.....coffee.
Decafe or caffeinated?

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Man, I agree with you. It's almost like what organization am I gonna say is trying to take over the world today......hmm......got it! CERN

That post you are referring to was laughable for many reasons.
Plus I just wanted to add, Shiva isn't the most feared god out there as stated in ucaliens post. Shiva does destroy but also creates...Shiva is like the god that hits the refresh or reset buttons on the computer of the universe. And it they are looking for information on the big bang at the CERN LHC, the gift from India of the Shiva statue can well be related to that--the creation aspect, the new beginning.
For a site that prides itself in finding the truth there is a heck of a lot of disinformation and just plain underhandedness (ie. plagarism).
So thanks again for the post man.

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Well why isn't someone making a coffee smasher then? Geez!

Note to self: Do not stir coffee vigorously!

IRM

Hey Jamesy, thanks for the post brother. I've been scouring around ATS for longer than I care to mention and rarely, if ever, have I felt the need to post a single darn thing. People here seem to do a pretty good job of sorting things out for themselves, and I have generally used ATS as food for thought more than anything else. I am happy, however, and actually felt compelled to create an account just to applaud and thank people like you for posting what, sadly, should not even need to be posted.

I stumbled across the LHC, Shiva, stargate, nonsense post that you are referring to a day or two ago. I am usually able to just kind of chuckle and dismiss such things, but for one reason or another that thread really got under my skin. The amount of attention and serious consideration it received was extremely disheartening to say the least. To see so many people even considering the possibility that the OP had conducted any REAL research was pretty sad (IMHO of course). I understand that it was in the skunkworks section, which generally reads like rough drafts for sub-par science fiction novels, but those things still receive way too much attention for me to rest easy.

So thank you again my homie. From a 25 year old man from Virginia to you, I extend my gratitude and respect. Heck, you even convinced me to finally create an account and become proactive on some discussions here at ATS.

Keep on keepin' on.

Shark

Originally posted by Jamesy_boy
1) Under the recent trails the LHS was running at 3.5 TEV and upgraded to 7.

Lets put these 'massive' figures into some perspective.

A cup of black coffee has about 10^23 electron Volts of energy - that's 3 kcalories. LHC at the moment is 7 x 10^12 eV

In simple terms.....

That means that each LHC collision has 10,000,000,000 times less energy than a cup of black coffee.

Thus the thread on here earlier stating that the LHC matches Egyptian drawings to create worm holes is complete twaddle.

If you want to follow anyone with a decent insight into these things twitter.com... and watch his BBC series the wonders of the solar system. About to condlude tonight exploring the possibilities of life on other planets.

He also explicitly explains how physics people accurately predicted the geothermal activity on Jupiters moons against the advice of planetary scientists whom thought they would be dead.

Worth downloading off many good torrent sites for those in the usa.

Thanks. Great OP. Sadly because you are a Lizard king you are trying to lull us before you eat us up. Believe me I know what you people can do...I have seen V.

Seriously Nut jobs will not believe you but great try

PS who ever said that these people are numerate??

I envision the meetings that took place to solicit donations for this mammoth project: "This will allow us to probe the fundamental nature of reality...................and we have a plan to create a dimensional/time portal. You'll be among the first in line. Great! You can make the check out to..."

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Agreed.
Ugh...so sick of wild speculation and lack of education in regards to mythology and the "connection" (note: term used lightly and with disdain) to science.
I read that post and I was wondering why what's-his-name said that Shiva is the most feared Hindu god.
Anywho, whatever...people will point and gawk and speculate and make stuff up...it's the nature of non-science people to do so.
Oh, and another thing...people throw the term "stargate" around like it's a real word.
Now...correct me if I'm wrong...but that word comes from a movie...and not a very good movie either.
So, since then, it has permeated the vernacular of the dreamers and for some reason, has gained credence among the fringe-science community.
It's irritating.

Also, a cup of coffee has more total energy, but divided among its constituent molecules that energy is but a tiny fraction of the energy the LHC will generate in those collisions, and do we really know everything they have up their sleeves?

I doubt many of us here even bother with lhc, i for one never thought it would do anything.

Why do you not just ignore threads you do not like, this is not compulsory viewing threads when you come here, you can just ignore threads.

People speculate about all sorts of things.

Also we all know science has put people and man in danger before, so even though i do not agree on lhc, these people can voice there concerns, whats wrong with people asking about these things.

Science starts with a dream and a dreamer. You would have to be a rubbish scientist if your not a dreamer. Do you people understand that nut jobs are what change the world lol. Dreamers are what think up things, its just the best science people are dreamers and science people. Nut jobs have always changed the world, and its not people that go along that do anything but the status quo.

So even though i do not agree i say let those people speak, you can just ignore if you do not like.

But like someone above said, we do not know what the guys have behind the scenes have in there arsenal. We are on the outside. Also part of this web site is entertainment, its often enlightening to get others views no matter how wacko they seem to thread starter.

Man if your a scientist you must be rubbish.

Also one last thing for you dopey science people that think your smart. My life has proven your rubbish minority report technology is rubbish. These people thought they where so smart trying to second guess any moment of my life, and they are always wrong.

For the dopey people that think they are smart in charge of dopey minority report technology in england, your rubbish and as wacko as any person out there. You cannot second guess any person, and what they will do.

[edit on 4/4/2010 by andy1033]

For more perspective, a mosquito has 1 Tev of kinetic energy. Of course that's spread out over the 10^23 or so protons in the mosquito's body. So the LHC energy level is about equal to 7 mosquitos. Of course, a mosquito will bite you, the LHC probably won't

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Not picking on you Andy, but could you not have just gone by your own principles and ignored this thread? I for one am all for it, just as much as I am all for the OP of the LHC stargate thread posting his (or her) thoughts. If anything, this post should be applauded IMHO. Jamesy has presented simple, easy to understand facts without the least bit of speculation. Sure I may not completely agree with his thread title, but that is his choice.

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I agree that people are fully entitled to their OPINIONS. But I just get rankled when somebody puts their opinion out as fact.
Yes "nutjobs" have contributed to some great leaps in science, mathematics, philosophy, etc. But nutjobs that go off their opinions based off untrue information can spread that disinformation and in the end, spread ignorance. That can be a bad scene: see holocaust.

just sayin...

The scientists at Cern have themselves stated that the LHC could possibly create tiny black holes.

A cup of coffee, however strong, cannot do this so the comparison in energy levels is irrelevant.

Of course it is believed that these tiny black holes would evaporate almost instantaneously due to a theoretical type of radiation, so they would never pose any real threat. But there is no denying that we are messing with forces of nature that we know very little about



There IS a lot of speculation about the LHC and a lot of it admittedly far fetched but this IS a conspiracy site so far fetched speculation is part of the deal.

Originally posted by MrVertigo
The scientists at Cern have themselves stated that the LHC could possibly create tiny black holes.

Nope. Not unless we live in a very different universe than we think we do.

According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC.

public.web.cern.ch...

Originally posted by MrVertigo
The scientists at Cern have themselves stated that the LHC could possibly create tiny black holes.

A cup of coffee, however strong, cannot do this so the comparison in energy levels is irrelevant.

Of course it is believed that these tiny black holes would evaporate almost instantaneously due to a theoretical type of radiation, so they would never pose any real threat. But there is no denying that we are messing with forces of nature that we know very little about



There IS a lot of speculation about the LHC and a lot of it admittedly far fetched but this IS a conspiracy site so far fetched speculation is part of the deal.

Thumbs up, my thought exactly

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True, much of the stuff posted on ATS isn't worth a damn. But you've picked the wrong site to try and censor far-out ideas.

OP, I'm afraid you're confusing the issue with bad science. Firstly, I'm curious as to how you've derived your figure for the amount of 'energy' in a cup of coffee. Potential or kinetic? What temperature is the coffee? Are we counting the cup as well? If so, is it Styrofoam or ceramic?

Secondly, you're ignoring the comparison of scale. What is the mass of a cup of coffee compared to the mass of two colliding hadrons? As I'm sure you're aware, kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared. In order for the LHC to imbue a proton, to name a common hadron, with an amount of energy even approaching the amount of energy contained in a cup of coffee, the accelerator needs to get the proton moving tremendously fast. Then, when the proton collides with a similarly speedy proton every bit of that 7TeV is squeezed into the cross-sectional area of a subatomic particle. Here are some numbers:

the proton mass = 1.67 EE-24 grams
12 ounces of coffee = 340.19 grams
diameter of a proton = 1 EE-15 meters
diameter of a cup of coffee = 8.89 EE-2 meters

I personally would much rather be in the way of hot coffee than in the way of a proton approaching relativistic speeds.

kcals are a dubious choice. Why would you compare food energy to kinetic energy?

[edit on 4-4-2010 by Zelun]

I thought more about your assertion and I figured out a better comparison: Energy density.

For a baseline, gasoline has an Energy density of 46.4 MJ/kg

If the coffee contains 3 kcals or .0125604 MJ and has a mass of .34019 kg its energy density equals .036921 MJ/kg

The hadron collision produces 7 EE-9 MJ and has a mass of 3.34 EE-27 kg, so its energy density equals 2.10 EE 18 MJ/kg. Yes, that is a positive exponent of 18.

So there's really no comparison. As to whether this is enough energy to form little singularities, I do not know. I do suspect that as Dr. Hawking has theorized if they were to form they would evaporate just as quickly.


[edit on 4-4-2010 by Zelun]

it's means it is whereas its is the possessive...fixed


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