The Apple iPad Conspiracy

Originally posted by Xtrozero
But the big question is what makes it better over a net book that cost 1/3 less and seems to do all this too? I’m sure the answer is the interface and if it is like comparing a blackberry to an iPhone I would most likely get the Ipad over a net book just because of the interface.

Well, a year ago I bought a Dell Mini 9" for about $300, and installed OS X on it (because that's how I work...) It was fine for surfing and watching movies, but not good for much else. The battery life was around 3 hours; the screens pixel dimensions were too small for some apps (toolbars not fitting, etc); the keyboard was an awkward layout and not conducive to lots of typing; even with an upgrade to 32gb solid state HDD the OS was taking up almost exactly half that, not leaving much room left for other apps or media.

It seems to me the footprint of the iPad OS is smaller, or stored on a different chip so it's not eating into your storage capacity (not sure on that, just a guess...); the iPad's battery life is easily 3x more than the Dell's; apps are being written for that screen size so I never have to worry about not being able to access a certain menu item or toolbar.

Those are three things off the top of my head that distinguish the iPad from a netbook. Just my opinion, and I don't own an iPad, though I have a few friends who got them on Saturday. Personally I'm content with a MacBook Pro and an iPod Touch for now, but I'm sure I'll bite the bullet when rev 2 comes out in a year or so.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Those are three things off the top of my head that distinguish the iPad from a netbook. Just my opinion, and I don't own an iPad, though I have a few friends who got them on Saturday. Personally I'm content with a MacBook Pro and an iPod Touch for now, but I'm sure I'll bite the bullet when rev 2 comes out in a year or so.

I'm a rev 2/3 type of guy too....hehe

I bought a net book for my son and it has about 10 hours of battery life. The Atom CPU seems ok, but I agree the screen is ok at best for playing movies (a little grainy and some glitches), it does well cruising the internet and doing all the basic internet functions, and is very portable.

I don't mean to offend anyone but here it goes .. The most dumbest thing I've seen in recent weeks was the rush excitement on getting iPhone.

My brother has one and he now complains that iPhone uses up lots of battery power. Apple manage to fascinate and trick the whole world (many people) into buying its new product.

Same goes to the Macbooks "advanced" and "ultracompatible" BS. Sorry to the non-IT-savvies. Macbooks have issues on some kvm switches (eg. hotel internet). I'm an IT engineer and I got sissy men customers whining about they couldn't surf. It was a known issue.

Apple products are simply for sissy people.

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion
Same goes to the Macbooks "advanced" and "ultracompatible" BS. Sorry to the non-IT-savvies. Macbooks have issues on some kvm switches (eg. hotel internet). I'm an IT engineer and I got sissy men customers whining about they couldn't surf. It was a known issue.

Apple products are simply for sissy people.

Wait a minute, you're claiming to be an IT engineer, and you're telling us that a keyboard, video, mouse switch is going to keep a laptop off the internet???

[edit on 4/7/2010 by JoshNorton]

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion


Same goes to the Macbooks "advanced" and "ultracompatible" BS. Sorry to the non-IT-savvies. Macbooks have issues on some kvm switches (eg. hotel internet). I'm an IT engineer and I got sissy men customers whining about they couldn't surf. It was a known issue.

Apple products are simply for sissy people.

Then I must be a sissy girl for using a Macbook to work off of, and as of yet, I have had ZERO (count it again ZERO) problems getting the thing to connect anywhere including hotels, anywhere in the world. And really, I've never heard of a KVM switch being used to do anything with a Laptop unless you're using a docking base from time to time with your primary desktop.

No offense meant here but where the heck do you get off calling anyone sissy for liking or preferring one product over the other. I can give you 5 reason why I prefer working off my Macbook, rather than my Toshiba laptop.

1) The screen's brighter, I like bright colors.
2) Most of my 3d software is Mac based (as I bought it that way, not that it's mac only, just find it runs a little smoother in OSX or Linux)
3) I like OSX's GUI a lot better than Windows, although I do enjoy Windows 7's interface.
4) The keyboard is a dream to type on, can't explain it, but the keyboard is like typing on air, and it doesn't tire out my hands as much.
5) it doesn't heat up as much as my Toshiba, the Windows laptop will get to the point even with the laptop cooler under it, that I have to use an icepack to keep it from overheating, and this is not a design flaw I'm finding out, it's just how they run.

Does that make me a sissy for not wanting to suffer 3rd degree burns while typing up a proposal or finishing a complex bit of artwork? Does that make me a sissy because i PREFER to use my MacBook? No it doesn't, not in this universe, not in any universe, calling someone a sissy for their preferences is akin to the old schoolyard bully and you should be ashamed for dropping to that level of diatribe in a forum.

Now on to the next part of my post. I will nto be getting an iPad, I have no use for one, I think the concept is neat, I think the applications for such a device are many and it's full potential has yet to be harnessed, but I can't justify the expense tight now. For that, I'm most certainly a big sissy girl...

Oh and to address one other thing, the iPhone has been out for a few years now, I don't think I'read anywhere recently that there was a run on people going out and buying them up..

[edit on 7-4-2010 by vkey08]

Thank you for your article on the Apple iPad. I for one am very happy with my own computer and I will not be buying the Apple iPad. The money I saved I will be buying a solar generator instead.

Many Blessings,

Pan.

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion
I don't mean to offend anyone but here it goes .. The most dumbest thing I've seen in recent weeks was the rush excitement on getting iPhone.

I second that!

I dont mind apple products, but I find the overhyping ridiculous.

The iPad hasnt been released here in Norway yet, but some companies imports them and sells them for over double the costs, and the sheep buys it willingly.

well, I have seen a lot of negatives reviews from tech and every one with tech knowledge saying bad things about the device

but the hype sells

very good video about PORN @ ipad hahahha

news.cnet.com...

The iPad seems like the biggest flop to me and an oversized itouch. I love my itouch, ipod etc but never really saw what was so special about macbooks or macbook pros.

No offense to the applefanboys out there but apple is one giant contradiction. They brag about how much you can specialize their "software" yet when it comes to building a computer or laptop you are limited with what you can work with. PCs were always easily customized to any consumer's desire. Don't get me wrong macs are great computers for...photoshop, music?, photos, video....but creating a functional piece of technology that even the lower working class can afford then NO!

Now what I really want is the new HP envy notebook. Similar price to a macbook pro except 18 hours of battery life, lighter, thinner, and more powerful!

HP is ready to announce their iPad killer....hmmm great news for us the consumer. I love competition...

Thank you OP for this post. I have showed it to my family members who believe that the Ipad is really the "laptop killer" that has been portrayed.

Here's my opinion on the whole Ipad Apple thing.

I agree with the original post as to why the media are hyping this thing up even Rupert Murdoch has come out saying he loves the ipad which should sound alarm bells for anyone.

It's an incredibly locked down device that is designed to sell you media and with newspaper subscriptions actually being higher on the Ipad than the real deal it's a bad sign in general if it should get popular.

Specification wise the Ipad completely sucks it has a tiny 256mb of RAM which is incredibly poor to say the least this thing will never truely multi-task and is much closer to a phone/mp3 player than a real computing device.

Netbooks and Laptops both run rings around it power and feature wise, For portability the original Iphone and Touch are a better choice, For reading it would be to heavy and the LCD screen can't compete with e-ink. It is also a useless Video player as it only has a 4,3 screen unless you like watching things with large black bars or missing half the film bad choice. For internet browsing no flash means you are missing half the content.

For everyone bashing windows they should be more concerned with Android as that is Apples real threat and in the coming weeks I would expect to see a large number of Android tablets appearing and all being a lot more powerful and useful in general.

I think Ipad is a fail on all fronts basicly.

Originally posted by CuriouslyFree
The iPad seems like the biggest flop to me and an oversized itouch.

Originally posted by Teknikal
I think Ipad is a fail on all fronts basicly.

You guys are welcome to your opinions, but I wouldn't call 300,000 units sold on the first day ($150,000,000 if all 300,000 were the base model; realistically much more...) a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
You guys are welcome to your opinions, but I wouldn't call 300,000 units sold on the first day ($150,000,000 if all 300,000 were the base model; realistically much more...) a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

It's not a failure. They sold 300k units. At an average price of $500, thats 150 million. No small first run for sure but, let's remember, the 300k sold includes the pre-orders as well. That doesn't make the numbers less impressive, just more realistic.

Add to that the necessary accessories (keyboard, charger etc) and they had a field day with this but that's to be expected with an apple "world changing device." Also, earlier estimates were that they sold around 200k in the first week that online orders were being taken. That means that they sold 100k from that week to the launch. Still impressive as hell but, again, nowhere near as impressive as 300k in the one day.

The more important figures will be the number of sales since the product was released. This will determine what was sold once people really knew what the product was and what it could do (or not do). They've already announced an upgrade to the os which will give some of the features that people felt were lacking but that os release won't come to the pad until late in the year. I'm guessing this is a result of their version of multi-tasking that will require app writers to recode their apps to comply with this "multi-tasking."

There's actually a decent article about it, although it is somewhat childish and mocking, over at precentral (the pre crowd have had true multitasking since the phone came out).

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it will sell because of the hype, but I think it will only sell to people that doesnt have access to information ... people with access to google and that knows how a computer works wont be buying it

I am really looking forward to the HP slate w/ windows 7 ... it may be a good option for netbook users that want something more slim + e-book reading style, and the HP slate we can connect to our TV to watch movies/videos/pictures

Originally posted by Faiol
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it will sell because of the hype, but I think it will only sell to people that doesnt have access to information ... people with access to google and that knows how a computer works wont be buying it

You know, you really don't have to insult people... Ever stop to consider that some if not most of the people who are early adopters know EXACTLY what they're getting and are extremely tech savvy? And for the most part, they're happy with their first week with an iPad? Just because it doesn't fit into your own mindset, doesn't mean that other people know it for what it is and are quite comfortable with its limitations.

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Yes the early adopters* Apple have a lot of them alright. The early adopters* may be tech savvy but they will buy every new device Apple puts out. It doesn't matter what it is just as long it's Made in Cupertino. I guess all the pre-orders were made by early adopters*.

So Apple sold 300.000 iPads on the first day including pre-orders, but does this include pre-orders of the 3G version as well? Hmmm...




*the politically correct name for fan bois.

I'm surprised the name itself hasn't offended some women out there.

Forget about the iPad, what about the oPad conspiracy?

Originally posted by Crakeur
(the pre crowd have had true multitasking since the phone came out)

And what a boon it has ben to their sales! (sarcasm)

If there is anything that the i____ device sales from Apple as taught us, is that techno-happy feature-sets are secondary to a voodoo-mix of intangibles. And at this point in time, somehow Apple (under Jobs) has been better than anyone at creating that voodoo-mix of intangibles (and marketing) that creates a product a number of people covet.

With the iPad, the potential "revolutionary" or "game changing" aspects are much more to do with the intangibles of how the device looks and functions, than the feature-set it represents. I don't doubt there will be more tablet computers/devices with incredible feature-sets that kill the iPad on paper... (just like there are more feature-rich phones and digital music players)... but unless those competitors sweat the details of the intangibles, they don't stand a chance.

On paper, the Palm Pre is an awesome phone with an impressive OS... until you hold it in your hand.

got tired of reading the whole thread after page 12... i know, lazy of me...
anyway, i just wanted to post this here for your consumption.

10 iPad alternatives
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as you can see, the iPad isn't the only game in town. what makes the iPad unique though, is the AppStore. and thats where the conspiracy is; as has probably been mentioned in this thread, the iPad is mostly optimized for delivering content to the user. now add that with some online media outlets expressing their desire and intent to have people pay subscriptions in order to view their sites, and you have the AppStore selling you apps to view the content for the sites whose content you have to pay for in order to view. through the AppStore (and Apple's insistence on not implementing flash) these companies also aim to curtail the incidence of software piracy. you might say its all well and good and thats how capitalism is and should be. but if we let this trend continue, what do you think it would mean for freedom of information? wouldn't this create an informational gap between the have's and have-not's? it seems to me that most big media companies are for the iPad because through this device they would be able to control the content that the users absorb and interact with, while at the same time using traditional media to complete the illusion.

but here's a piece of the truth, iPad users bought their devices at half the price it cost to make them.

Huffington Post

BTW, how do you do mouseovers on flash-enabled sites while using a touchscreen device?

[edit on 4.9.10 by toreishi]