America perpaires for war on Mexico

I believe our military should do a more active part in the suppression of these cartels. We have a bunch of angry guys with guns shooting up people on our side of this world. They are coming into our country and committing crimes. You see it everyday.

Yes they do provide a work force, but isn't our unemployment at a record high? Americans need to get off their asses and do something about it. We shouldn't rely on Mexico (or any other country) to do anything for us.

[edit on 2-4-2010 by Hondahawk]

[edit on 2-4-2010 by Hondahawk]

As for the idiots on both sides of the border that claim we took CA AZ and New Mexico from the Mexico that is BS.
Just ask any Native American who they think took what.

Native Americans will tell you they would never want to be part of Mexico.

Mexico never defeated any tribe in these areas and never had any treaties with any and were under constant threat of attack by these tribes the whole time they claimed these areas.

That means Mexico never controlled these areas, only by force were they able to build and hold any towns.

Originally posted by ANNED
As for the idiots on both sides of the border that claim we took CA AZ and New Mexico from the Mexico that is BS.
Just ask any Native American who they think took what.

Native Americans will tell you they would never want to be part of Mexico.

Mexico never defeated any tribe in these areas and never had any treaties with any and were under constant threat of attack by these tribes the whole time they claimed these areas.

That means Mexico never controlled these areas, only by force were they able to build and hold any towns.

Wait you talking about Mexico or the US. Native Americans would also tell you that their people are the victims of genocide. As for treaties, come on they were as fair as Jim Crow laws if not worse. The US government violated treaties whenever they saw it fit. The Treaty of Fort Laramie is one of them.

You guys just have no IDEA how powerful some of these cartels are, they have so much power that they make deals with both the mexican and US government and if they don't like something as you can see they don't fear the mexican military they just go and attack them, to them the government is just another cartel...you see both the US and mexican government are in this THEY call the shots THEY say who gets to stay and who get to leave(killed or arrested) which happens when they start loosing control of these drug lords which is what is happening now, the cartels have gotten so powerful that now THEY are trying to call the shots and this little war broke out. everyone in mexico knows this, it was mostly the mexican's government fault for "ignoring" the problem for so long and these are the results.



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reply to post by DaddyBare


LOL!!

You guys just don't understand do you?

Ask yourselves some questions.....

Is the US winning in Iraq? Is the US winning in Afghanistan?

then what in the seventh flying sphinxter of hell makes you think that the US will have any impact on the cartels in Mexico?

A war with Mexico? Are you double-damned kidding me here?

Well what ever bud, just remember the words of Pancho Villa and know that Mexicans...and I mean REAL MEXICANS (not the pisces of craps that call themselves Latinos) don't die on their knees. You think Iraq and Afghanistan is a problem? Pfft, you need to remember the Alamo, we are a real pain in the ass.

Oh and by the way all that amo, firearms and armored cars that were found and implemented immediately into use by the Mexican military was a gift from the US of A. If that stuff would have belonged to the cartels, I guarantee you they would have made good use of them before they were taken.

Oh and since you obviously have a hard time making sense of things, just to let you know for every gram of drugs that goes into the US 10 ponds of arms and ammunition comes back down into Mexico.....Compliments of your most gracious C.I.A.

[edit on 3-4-2010 by Izarith]

Izarith i think you and me are the only ones that really knows what's going on. these people don't understand this is all a business and everyone has a part on this.

reply to post by maria_stardust


May I ask what is wrong with you people?

Why do you think Mexicans go to the US? because they saw living in America and want to become a citizen and wave the American Flag on their front porch?

You would think the past "lets all wave the Mexican Flag for no reason" protests you guys had would give you the capability to understand that Mexican go to America for the same reason every other Immigrant does. MONEY!

America has no more money, no more jobs, no more turn your house over in two years and become rich.

America definitely does have an immigration problem but it's not the one you think it is. Your Government is scrambling to find ways to keep all those illegal aliens in the USA by making Mexico look like a war zone when it's not.

Your immigration problem is 12 million aliens taking every penny they have and deserting your country and crippling your economy beyond repair.

You think the housing crises is bad? wait until Mexicans return to Mexico despite all the cartel troubles, along with a few million Americans too.

You don't believe me? Give it a year....

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reply to post by Aztek87


Heh hello Aztek,

Most people don't even know why Mexicans are brown instead of white like the Chileans and Argentinians....

Out of all the different indigenous tribes that lived in the New world a few of them could not be killed off when the conquerors came. They were too fierce and to hard to kill.

They were forced to mix and enforce religion on the last remaining few. Creating an incredibly stupid race, so stupid it makes us mighty.

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!!

Here's a quick Fox Vid from yesterday to go along with my post

Richardson speaks on why he turned out the guard too

reply to post by Izarith


Oh, I'm well aware as to why there is an illegal immigration problem here in the U.S. And you're right, it comes down to the issue of money. The vast majority of these immigrants are hard-working people trying desperately to support their families. Honestly, I can't blame them for trying to survive.

On the other hand, there is a problem with gang violence that's grown as a direct result of the drug cartels making inroads to cart their wares to their northern neighbors. Sort of like cut-throat Corporate America that is driven by greed, except in this case you're dealing with drugs, guns and violence. But I digress, although related, it's an entirely different issue.

The U.S. is dealing with economic hard times at the moment and almost everyone is suffering as a result. Bottom line it's just harder to make a buck these days.

As for a influx of Americans seeking economic refuge in Mexico, it's been happening for years. The expatriates of Lago Chapala in Jalisco come to mind. Just don't expect a mass exodus anytime soon.

reply to post by maria_stardust


Hello Maria_stardust,

Yeah i know gangs and violence is a problem in the US, it's become a huge problem in Mexico over the past years as well.

I apologise for my rant, I just get so pissed when people start posting about going to war with Mexico as if it would be easy. Like America could just walk in and every one down here would bow and thank America for getting rid of Saddam and Taking over Mexico and setting things right.

Mexico used to be a great country, 20 years ago the peso was one to the dollar, you had children with rolls of money in their pockets as their allowance. The boarder was nothing but a booth and two flags on each side of it.

This changed when Mexico took out a loan from the US, soon around that time the boarder went up, true trade stopped going back and forth and the people of Mexico started depending on tourism and immigration as it's money maker.

I don't even know why I try anymore either, The new patsy government of Mexico just took out a multi billion dollar loan from the IMF, Now Mexico has no future, we are no better than Zimbabwe now thanks to this piece of god all crap PAN government.

But what I'm trying to say is Mexico is still a free country, in a free country especially one with problems of the USA meddling with it's affairs you can't stop people from leaving it. You can't stop people from selling drugs to the US, it's all both you and my Governments have left us with....

And don't think for a second that the immigration problem you guys have was not planed by the Regan administration. Every capitalist country needs population growth. If Americans don't have babies, your governments will find a cheap dirty, country destabilizing way of growing the population for you.

reply to post by Izarith


Good God man!!! I have not met another Mexican as smart as you in a while. If only there were more. I enjoyed reading your thoughts and it makes sense. Just one thing though, how do you think this is all going to be 10 to 15 years from now? I don't see anything other than a civil war coming to my beloved Mexico. And, as civil wars go in Mexico, it's going to leave millions of dead Mexicans and the same corrupt a-holes in power. But to me it seems like something drastic must be done none of that progress through peace rhetoric. When has anything been gained through non-violence? Ghandi? King? They were anything but non-violent. What are your thoughts on that? Or, do you see any other solution?

I see a North American Union. But not how most people see it.

I see the drug cartel problem getting so bad till the Mexican government falls apart.

Then i see the US and Canada for there own protection going in with military force and taking over Mexico.

The US and Canada will split Mexico in half and make protectorate out of the Mexico.
The Mexican people will be so happy that the US and Canada saved them they will not protest the new US and Canada NAU.

It then will be easy for the US and Canada to close the southern border of Mexico to problems from other countries to the south.
Although they may invite Costa Rica in to the NAU as they have been a stable country for many years. and would further break up central America.


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The CIA is already operating in Mexico under there anti drug/anti narcotic directorate. (read into that what you want I know that corrupt CIA people may use this to run drug operation counter to the CIA leadership like they did in Vietnam.. I knew a Naval investigative service agent that spent 4 years busting CIA agents but never found any higher ups in the CIA that knew what these agents were doing as a sideline.)

[edit on 4-4-2010 by ANNED]

reply to post by 3vilscript


Ah, Hello fellow Brown Coat,
Well this is what I see in the Next 10 to 15 years down here....

in the next some years the USA will be pressuring is patsy Pan to "Rid Mexico of corruption" this means enforce laws on it's population this has never been done in Mexico, at least to to the Extent that they are planing to. The people of Mexico will be tricked into snitching on each other for stupid things like bribing a cop, stealing utilities and basically anything money once was able to buy.

They will do this more easily thanks to the returning immigrants from the USA who are all ready well trained in snitching and following the rules.

This will cause real Crime and violence, not cartel crimes but cultural domestic crimes to go wide spread.

Basically they will turn Mexico into Chicago or Mexico City. A place where crime is high and "corruption" is low, what a coincidence.

Now one thing Most people don't know is a Mexican is one lazy son of a @#$#% when it comes to revolution, yes we hoot an woot the word all over the place but we really hate revolution. This is because we have freedom. We don't have money, we don't have food, we don't have fancy cars and the such but we have total freedom to live how we choose. But by eliminating a Mexican's God given right to be corrupt you take that freedom away and you can bet your sweet little butt that a Mexican will get off his lazy truff and Kick some Butt.

In about 6 years tension will grow between the three top rivaling groups. The PRI, the PAN and PRD.

PRI = Wolves in wolves clothing, these are some cool guys. they will lie cheat and steel from you but they will never take your right to be free away. They come from an old "Clandestine" Masonic loge outlawed by the Grand Loge of England. Enemy of the US and many other Masonic organisations. In some old text books they are known as "Los Escoceses".

PAN = Traitorous scum Bags that have the USA's interests in mind in sheep's clothing. The PAN is mostly made up of Idiot scumbags that want to help Mexico by privatizing our national oil and utilities so they can sell it to USA/China corporations. They are truly going to rid Mexico of it's old time tradition of the poor man buying his way through life. Basically they appeal to the ideot educated Mexican who thinks the USA is a great role model for a country. They are Comprised of the Grand Loge of England's choice of Masons, who unlike the Escoceses/PRI have visitations rights with US Masonic lodges. In some old text books they are known as Poinsettia's penis suckers or The Yorkinos.

Last but not least is the PRD = south American socialist influence in sheep's clothing. These guys are gaining a lot of clot now a day especially in the south up past Mexico city. These guys just talk about all the goody bags they are going to give people and people fall for it. Big mistake.

Now the Cartels are just money makers, they have no political power and just serve as a distraction for the Big three while they fight their stuff out. Eventually the Cartels will stabilize and will stop fighting. They have to do this because Columbia is considering bypassing Mexico dues to all the attention and trouble. Columbia is considering undercutting their stuff by great margins and dealing directly with the C.I.A.

With all that being said, I really don't foresee a revolution in Mexico for many years. And if there is one it will lead to the division of Mexico as a hole. North and south like Korea, except The south will be in bad shape and the north will be Americas lap dog. Hopefully I will be dead before this ever happens.

As for me....heh, I don't start revolutions, I just volunteer.

IZZY.

Star and flagged op

Well I want to say alot but Seymore has as my other personality and resident legal expert (its ok its all in my head) has advised me to speak of dream I had...

Texas Rebelled... Well I sided with the Federal government and was resworn in as an officer...

In the dream I had only one answer for the drug cartels for the area of Texas I was in...

Lets say I made Vlad look Like an angel. I spiked all of them I engaged as an example... Oh they did com on in and over to my part of Texas but did not like what they say as they came down I Ten... I had decorated the highway and left the example for them....

Now that was just a dream but its how you deal with the thugs...

On the higher moral ground.. I will first refer to this... The US government does need to deal with them before they become an issue... I would support an invasion to remove them from power...

They are operating as terrorist..

Next they are dodging billions of dollars a year in taxes.. OF note yes the drug lords have to file the paperwork with the IRS for all business...

Third they have filed no paperwork in the states as businesses.

Now I move to history, Since they are operating like rome they better pay attention to what hurt rome. If I remember one historian correctly they should have dealt with the barbarian tribes sooner by say a dacade... They would have Lasted at least a few more centuries if they had....

I hope they do. If they are attacking US citizens on US soil... Take em down!!!

Might this be the upcoming flase flag operation. It would serve to distract the US public over the health care bill...


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reply to post by ANNED


LOL!

Ah, ha, ha, ha ,ha!

There is only one other entity on God's green Earth that is more territorial that a Mexican and that's the Irish.

Trust me Canada will go along with a Fuzy NAU deal way before Mexico ever will.

Mexico's government will never fall apart silly. The PAN are only making it look like it could but they would never let it happen. It's bluff because the second the PAN can't hold it's weight the PRI will move right back in once again like the Hero of the day.

You people terribly underestimate Mexico....You don't understand that all of Mexico's utilities and oil is all ready supposed to be privatised. The Pan and the USA could not pull it off. The PRI are just to savvy.....SAVVY!

Thins are not what they seam my friend, they never are.

reply to post by unityemissions


Yeah, most of them couldn't shoot their own foot even if they aimed, though.

Having lots of guns is a world of difference apart from having a useful knowledge of guns in a stress situation.

And now, I shall cue the dozens of army rangers, green berets, navy SEALS, and dinosaur wrangling astronauts who have nothing better to do than to lurk on ATS and tell me what a badass they are with a gun aaaaaand.. .GO!

ok, i had to make a new account to reply to this. I have lived in almost every part of Texas throughout my whole life, and currently live in San Antonio.

I see a lot of people replying who have no clue what is going on who seem to think they know what is up. The news doesn't care or even mentions what is going on. Not even in Texas. Most of the information i get is form friends who live or have family in the Mexico / border town areas.

The Drug cartels run Mexico. There is hardly a government controlling Mexico, especially along the boarder. The Mexican Government does not have any way to control the border between Mexico and the US, so if we did have a war with the drug cartels, it would basically be against Mexico. Not its people but if the government had no control over the area, the cartels are basically the governing power, or at least have the governing power by their balls.

i have friends whose family members who have been forced into working for the cartels and then kidnapped, killed, and chopped up. They dont care. That is why they are such a problem. They are willing to do anything for their power, they have no laws they need to abide by, no constitution to abide by, they have free reign.

We call terrorism against good honest people, but we dont even think of calling these guys terrorists? Because they are protecting their drug trade an not their beliefs? Makes no sense.

These people are coming into Texas. I hear it from people who know. They are here and trying to take control of the cities near the border. Not jsut the border towns, but they are trying to take foothold in town such as Houston, San Antonio, Austin, etc Especially along I35 through Dallas and to Gainesville on the Oklahoma border.

With the way our country is set up, we are too scared to do anything to combat it. What are we supposed to do? We rely too much on the government to take care of us. Even in Texas where we are tough and will support Texas with our lives, We really wont. We talk like we will but when push comes to shove we will think of our families and loved ones. And the Drug cartels know that and they extort that to the fullest. They aren't playing war games, they are hitting us where it hurts. They are unpredictable and they are heartless. They are exposing peoples weaknesses by doing what we assume is inhuman. Its very similar to what we did to brittan in the revolutionary war witth the gorilla warfare tactics. its different and hard to combat.

reply to post by ANNED


That's because Mexico is not into controlling things.....

Mexico is a free country man, get off your "My government knows how to control me" high horse for crying out loud.

And trust me Mexicans don't want Native Americans to be part of us either so all is well that ends well I say.