18 gunmen killed in attacks on Mexican army bases

18 gunmen killed in attacks on Mexican army bases

news.yahoo.com

VILLAHERMOSA, Mexico – Dozens of gunmen mounted rare and apparently coordinated attacks targeting two army garrisons in northern Mexico, touching off firefights that killed 18 attackers.

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This is an escalation of the narcoguerrilla war going on in Mexico and its only going to get worse. Over 2000 people were killed in the fighting last year and over 500 so far this year.

What few Americans realize is that the Cartels and druglords are in effect warlords that run narcofeudal states inside Mexico. Mexico is essentially turning into Afghanistan. The same kind of set up was there with warlords operating feudal narcostates fueled by Opium. The difference in Mexico is that these warlords and their cartels are fueled by coc aine.

We have to get ready for the inevitable spread of the conflict and the intervention of US troops. This is especially true for those living close to the border, who need to come together and I dare say it, form militias to protect their communities.

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I can tell you this much... those of us who do live on the border have been jumpy for just over a year now.

Like most Americans we thought what was going on down in Mexico was something distant, far away, we felt secure in that our lives wouldn't be effected... but things have changed...

I could make you a list of little things, an increase in random violence, drive by shootings, knifing's, bodies founds, (13 women on the west side of town last year) But it's not these little things that have us on pins and needles, cleaning dusty weapons and rechecking our ammo supply...

it's this intangible, a feeling in your gut, that thing that makes the hair on the back of your next stand up...No one needs tell us were in their sights next. you can feel it in the air. With a kind of sad acknowledgement you can ask anyone who lives here and they will tell you, it's only a matter of time before the headlines scream of an Attack on US soil.


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reply to post by DaddyBare


Thats what I fear, an attack on an American community or government facility. I know its not a question of if, but when.

I hope that people along the border get ready for it. The least people can do is get dogs, good commo and firearms. My hope is that people make plans in case of an emergency, like an alert roster, rally points, and chaches. Shovels and concertina wire would be great ideas too.

I wonder if spikestrips are available to the public?

reply to post by MikeboydUS


to be very honest the only thing civilians should do is get out of the way...

These are not your ordinary gangs and thugs. Many of these cartel member came right out of the military, they are well armed with the latest and best of paramilitary equipment. Just last year the border patrol at a US crossing stopped a car and seized a bag filled with grenades.

Yes they have some weapons coming in from the US... the bleeding heart Libs make sure we all know that, but the vast majority of their arms are coming in by the boat load from places like Venezuela and Guatemala...

I don't know where those bunny huggers shop for their guns but I don't ever remember seeing an isle offering grenades at my walmart.

No civvies need to clear out... or face well trained, well armed professional solders...

[edit on 1-4-2010 by DaddyBare]

This is very OLD news, Mexicans have always been through this. In the US they are already operating here now with power in secrecy. I'm sure Mexicans are in Million Dollar Real Estate (hogar rico propiedades inmobiliarias) here in the US country(mucho dinero, energía, matanza que consigue de mi manera.)

Mexicans who enter the American country who want the American dream with drugs. Yes they do exist. You think I'm joking?

Si? no pararemos las drogas. Canto el negocio tiene espanol? Queremos sueño a asuma el control!


[edit on 1-4-2010 by FungShuiMyLife]

reply to post by DaddyBare


If they can get out of the way I would agree, but there are going to be times where people can't get out of the way.

There need to be contingencies for those types of incidents.

reply to post by FungShuiMyLife


How is this old news?

The Zetas and the cartels havn't been in the business of assaulting military bases in the past.

They conducted ambushes in the past on convoys and patrols, but this is new.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


We're not entirely on our own...
In a thread I posted yesterday our governor has turned out the National Guard www.abovetopsecret.com...
if SHTF and it seems, more and more likely every day... there is at least a buffer a blocking force if you would... to buy time...

Still we who live here tend to be well armed. Lots of retired military folks, Lot's of hunters. heck they train the Air Marshals here. An invading cartel would be hard pressed to get passed us. but like most rational adults I have no desire to turn my front yard into a free-fire zone.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

 

How is this old news?

Mexican drug trafficking organizations make billions each year trafficking illegal drugs into the United States

stopthedrugwar.org...

violence has reached record levels in Mexico. Despite increased security operations ordered by Mexican President Felipe Calderon in December 2006

www.stratfor.com...

As of February 28, 380 people have been killed in drug-related violence in Ciudad Juárez in 2010. 2,635 were killed in the city of 1.5 million in 2009.

MEXICO CITY — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday pledged to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with Mexico in its violent struggle against drug cartels, and admitted America's demand for illegal narcotics and arms markets was partly to blame.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

How much money and how much power of authority? It is ovious since 2006 this would happen now. Thank you!

[edit on 1-4-2010 by FungShuiMyLife]

reply to post by FungShuiMyLife


The news story is about a well coordinated assault on two military installations. The thread is about the same story.

I don't get where your trying to go.

yeah the cartels are attacking military bases now which is entirely a new phenomenon in the drug war in mexico. im not sure what the other dude is trying to prove, we all know the war has been goin on for a few years now, we all knwo its getting worse and we all know they should build a wall and seal the southern border and station a few thousand troops to man it.

Attacking military bases that takes some serious big ones. Convincing your "drug pawns" that they have a chance of success at this shows some serious devotion, commitment, and confidence to the pawns of the drug cartels. No I am not trying to give them kudos or praise in the slightest.

I have also never seen a Mexican Army base so I can not say how well fortified or dug in they are but just the preconceived notion of attacking an Army base shows that either 1)You are losing the war and desperate enough to take any chance necessary or 2)You are winning the war and a justified win over an Army base would shatter morale of existing Army soldiers.

I am glad the Mexican Army won this battle but am afraid of the devastating implications on moral a future loss would give.

**edit to add** I am sure that in the above options the drug cartels are not currently loosing the war.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by drift393]

Put them out of business -- legalize drugs.

Lets see how many guns they can buy, police they can bribe, and militias they can support without their funding from illegal drugs.


Legalize drugs.

reply to post by Kaytagg


Oh brother.......you think legalizing drugs will solve cartel violence? Come on dude........

The drug cartels ARE VIOLENT THEY HATE COMPETITION! Some farmer in rural California starts growing pot and the next thing you know his fields are burned down or his high school daughter is gang raped. You have no clue how ruthless these guys are and how they will stop at nothing to do what they do to eliminate competition and maintain their monopoly on the drug trade. They use armored vehicles and grenade launchers and are as well trained as the Mexican Army!!!!!!!! Plus these guys aren't just dealing in pot. We are talking coc aine, heroin etc. You want all of those to be legal as well?

And to the OPer....its not that most of us Americans are clueless to what's going on south of the border......it's that are concerns and cries for action go unheard by our government............like everything else.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by Zosynspiracy]

Quote from Zosynspiracy


"The drug cartels ARE VIOLENT THEY HATE COMPETITION! Some farmer in rural California starts growing pot and the next thing you know his fields are burned down or his high school daughter is gang raped. You have no clue how ruthless these guys are and how they will stop at nothing to do what they do to eliminate competition and maintain their monopoly on the drug trade. They use armored vehicles and grenade launchers and are as well trained as the Mexican Army!!!!!!!! Plus these guys aren't just dealing in pot. We are talking coc aine, heroin etc."


EXACTLY. It is way too late to legalize drugs. This situation has to be "contained" (for lack of a better word) before legalization could take place. And then < shutters > think of all the new government entities (inspectors, enforcers, etc) that would spring up. Legalize drugs and the kidnapping/extortions could increase, they will find a way because "it is business" you take away one money maker, they will find another.

Dont tie the hands of the border patrol. They d*#n near have to have a lawyer with them all the time just to arrest an illegal crosser or jail time for shooting!!! Our Border Patrol guys work under threat from Mexico and threat of legal action from our own government. Enough already.

Close the borders or give more power to the Border Patrol.

Casing

[edit on 1-4-2010 by Casing]