terrorism as a solution to terrorism.

Yes they would. There is a greater cause.

How did the plane jumpers know none of thier family members were not in any of the buildings?

Only in america do people care about thier third grade teacher.

Originally posted by mwm1331

Appart from you being totaly immoral and have no respect for human life and being a racist deluxe(racist in the way that everyone who doesn't think like you or like your goverment tells you to think, is alowed and OK to be slaughtered or called beasts, no matter if they have other religion or color)

Nuking and destroying cities, pieces of land and specific area's is the Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran and all the countries in that area is out of the total frigin question!! You said Nuke Mecca and other places.

Do you have any idea what archeological value these places have?
Do you have the slightest clue that as far back as we can see, the main roots to human civilization started there and if we want to find out anything about our origins and what really went on at those times, we need those places?

and then this:

The fact is the U.S. government does a better job of taking care of its peple than any other government in the world.

Erm, I think you need to wake up and travel a lil bit. Your SO WAY TOTALY WRONG with that statement(and alot before it) that anything you say should be disregarded by everyone from now on.

Man, wake up and smell the rozes.

No scottsquared I'm a realist. The fact is the only thing these "people" understand is violence. There will never be democracy in the middle-east because these people want to be rulled by guys like Saddam. The only authority they respect is violence. If you are not brutal, murderous, and without pity they will kill you. And they will enjoy it.

Originally posted by mwm1331
Realist. HAH... I laugh at this!

There will never be democracy in the middle-east because these people want to be rulled by guys like Saddam.
If this is the case, then let it be. What give you or anyone else the right to change the wa they live. Tribes of man eaters still live today on Islands, do we invade them? What about all the tribs in africa that live in nothing but huts and die at the age of 33. Do we stop this from happening? NO! Why , they have nothing to offer, or for us to take. This country was built on taking. It will END this way.

We could easily end Islamic terror by bailing out of their historic Homeland entirely. Cut all interests in the region, no more reason for them to attack us. PERIOD!

Originally posted by scottsquared
We could easily end Islamic terror by bailing out of their historic Homeland entirely. Cut all interests in the region, no more reason for them to attack us. PERIOD!

And know one else has to Die,, sounds so profound.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by SpittinCobra]

Travel thematrix? I live in europe. I 'm whats known as an expat. (someone who works and resides in a country other than thier own) Tell me have you ever had to bribe an emergency room doctor to get vital treatment? ( i'm not talking about paying the bill I mean bribing just to be seen) It happens here on a dily basis. In the united staes the highest income tax bracket is under 40% in europe there are tax brakets as high as 75% hell for a time in the 70s and 80s the highest tax brakett in the U.K. was 95% You want to talk about government corruption? Look at the E.U. they lost over 100 BILLION dollars to embezzlement last year alone. Yeah they have socialised healthcare but as a result emergency room doctors in the U.K. regularly drink on thier lunch breaks. And god forbid you need surgey Ifts its merly painful ( as opposed to life threatening) youll wait on average 4 times longer to get the surgery as in the U.S. Let me tell you ALL something I live in foreign countries and while the U.S. isnt perfect its a damn site better than ANYWHERE else in the worl I know cause I've been there.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by mwm1331]

SC in your 4:30 post you quoted but didnt say anything

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by drunk]

Originally posted by drunk
SC in your lastest post you quoted but didnt say anything

Its in bold, in the quote sorry I made it confuseing.

WHy should we abandn the birthplace of our religin? Because guys like you dont have the balls to fight for right? You must be french your soooo ready to surrender.

SC thats O.K but some members dont realise this....... like myself i feel stupid now :bnghd:
BACK TO TOPIC.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by drunk]

Originally posted by mwm1331
Travel thematrix? I live in europe. I 'm whats known as an expat. (someone who works and resides in a country other than thier own) Tell me have you ever had to bribe an emergency room doctor to get vital treatment? ( i'm not talking about paying the bill I mean bribing just to be seen) It happens here on a dily basis.[Edited on 3-6-2004 by mwm1331]

You are for sure not talking about the Europe I live and lived in. What you said in that post is total bollocks. Especially in Germany we may have higher taxes but better social care coming from the government.

I guess you are talking about a simple incident in one bad hospital and push it like it's everywhere like that. No man, what you are telling there isn't true and gives serious doubts to your statement you are actually working away from home - especially being old enough for that.

Your "kill them all" tactics in the first post underline my doubts

BTW thematrix have you ever been to the U.S.? Ive been to belgium. I can compare can you? And you wanna talk about forcing views on people where does the Belgian government get the right to charge the american government for war crimes?!?!? Christ my home state of florida is bigger than your entire country.

Originally posted by mwm1331
No they dont fear thier OWN death But what about the death of thier mother, father , chidren, friends, 3rd grade teacher etc? What if the KNEW that by attacking U.S. interests EVERYONE they have EVER known or loved would die too? Even if they could live with that could thier loved ones? Let me put it this way lets say you were a terrorist who was willing to die in a suicide bombing, Would you still detonate if it would mean the death of your entire family and all of your friends? And even if YOU would dont you think at least 1 person yu know would inform on you to escape thier fate?

As the terrorists have declared the Djihad/Holy war they don't care about being shot or any of their loved ones. They will all end up in paradise -
That's what they think and that's important.

Originally posted by mwm1331
BTW thematrix have you ever been to the U.S.? Ive been to belgium. I can compare can you? And you wanna talk about forcing views on people where does the Belgian government get the right to charge the american government for war crimes?!?!? Christ my home state of florida is bigger than your entire country.

Perfect. Just shows you are understood nothing! - you so disqualified yourself with that statement!

This theory of fight terrorism with terrorism is not working Iraq is a good example.

First let me say that Bush and Blair are terrorists in my view they are warcrazy freaks if you fight terrorism with more terrorism what do you get?

TERRORISM its a chain reaction , Bush and Bliar should just concede to deafeat.

Didnt the german auto workers just strike for ( im not kidding) a 35 hour work week as opposed to a 40? Germans get more vacation time than anyone in the world and thier still not happy. You people set the financial standards for the E.U. and YOU cant live up to them. Yeah your government pays for hosptal, retirement, and what not but thats the difference, They have to you cant fend for yourselves. Your economy is in a higher debt than the standards you set, most of your major corporations are in serious trouble because you people cant run a successful business, and on top of it all you want to tell Us how to run a country? Tell you what when you can stop people from seeling children on ebay well talk.

Originally posted by scottsquared
We could easily end Islamic terror by bailing out of their historic Homeland entirely. Cut all interests in the region, no more reason for them to attack us. PERIOD!

And on the flip side of the coin, would it be acceptable to demand that anyone from that region of the world be forced to LEAVE the US immediately and entirely?



[Edited on 3-6-2004 by jsobecky]

comparing tiny european country to the U.S. is like compring a sml corner srore to wallmart.

I just have to ask... When did acts of war become terrorism? War is bloody. War is dangerous. People die in war. There are casualties of war. Especially now in the age of bombs and big weapons.

I do not fully agree with the war in Iraq, but I'm getting sick of hearing about liberals crying for the dead Iraqis. The prison abuse scandal has been news for like 2 months, while Nick Berg's beheading was in the news for about 2 days...

This war is messy, that's the bottom line. It's being fought in cities, among buildings, in alleyways. That is the battlefield on which this war is being fought. Other wars were fought in the fields and forests, this is being fought on an urban landscape. It is sad to hear about the casualties of war, but this is war and war is messy.

I don't equate wartime actions with terrorism, and I'm not sure when they became the same thing.