Starbucks is brainwashing employees!

It's not only the companies that brainwash you every day to the "we". It's also in the politics, sports, schools, tv, to make brands, fanboys, radicals etc.. etc..

The "fake" feeling to be in a family can let you make unreflected, stupid "pro thinking" things, and this is one of the biggest problems here on earth.

THINK ABOUT PATRIOTISM...

Just to say - I think "WE ARE IDIOTS" (Humans) - The warm feeling as an idiot in a big idiotic family. "Mankind" - Humanity is to expensive, sorry.

This sick society will implode, pure logic, wait again 10 years and please: "buy more handys and burgers - and a bigger car"

The DEATH will be very happy with "US", also every devil you believe in.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by cushycrux]

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by doorhand
Whats the big deal in showing a bit of human kindness?

Because you can't make a profit off of human kindness.

agreed. but at the same time its quite sad that people put money and profit above acts of kindness and selflessness.

i even do it myself sometimes.

unfortunately thats why the world is getting worse

This is not a conspiracy.

Look, I feel bad for vagrants and nomads too, but let's be realistic; I'm not going to just randomly let one into my house or place of business and completely trust them, let alone be able to tolerate them.

ok - to address the two key issues seperatly

first - the remonal of a non paying , none customer who was a cause of concern to paying customers

starbucks is not social service - it is a commercial bussiness - its ONLY goal is to sell coffe and other stuff

if people walk in - look round and walk out - thats a ` lost sale ` - and management want to know why - wether its too big a queue , the smelly tramp in the corner , or the fact that chocolate fudge cake is sold out

in any good business - the reasons for a walk out should be rectified - queue lenght can be solved by staffing , the tramp can be thrown out , and better stock control will ensure that chocolate fudge cake is rarely sold out

thats because they are a commercial enterprise - they have no social mandate

in a mall near to me the security guards and janatorial staff actually carry cards with the details of the salvation army drop in centre just 150 m up the road - to get the drunk / destitute and homeless to move on

second - the use of the word " we " is NOT brainwashing - i have used the term "we" in every single job i had [ apart from my self employed experiences ] when i played football and rugby - we alloways refered to the team as " we "

further - if there are 4 staff in the business " we are to busy " is correct if EVERYONE is busy , i only every used "i " when i was the only one quallified to handle a given situation or i was called for by name

very simple logic really - no brainwashing involved

your friend says "we" and calls his co-workers(who he is most likely on friendly terms with) partners so you call him brain washed?


its called having a job, you moron.

try getting one.

As a retail business owner I can say that the Op obviously doesn't realize that any retail business owner that allowed one person to use his establishment as a homeless shelter would quickly find the number of homeless persons rapidly rising.

Think about it. Not many businesses allow the homeless, or anyone for that matter, to spend time inside without spending money. As soon as other desperate homeless people noticed his/her generosity, word would quickly spread and as a result legitimate customers, justly or unjustly, would begin avoiding the place.

Most retail businesses today have multiple investors and employees involved who all would be adversely affected by a downturn in business. As a result the manager who did the simple "kindness" of allowing that homeless man to remain, as the Op proposes top be ideal, would likely lose his job in the long run because of the chain of events to follow.

Given a choice between putting a non-paying customer out into the rain, and keeping one's own job in the midst of a recession wherein work for many is hard, if not impossible, to find I think the choice is quite clear.

I'm sad! The world is filled with a bunch of profit-seeking corporate shills! Anyone want to see exactly what is wrong with the world... read the responses in this thread. It summarizes everything you didn't know that is wrong with humanity!

When people rationalize that a "Business" and "Profits" are more important than human beings, they have proven that they have lost their souls. May God help us all.

Originally posted by Longtimegone
ALSO!!!!!!!!!!

The point of this post is not to argue whether it is right or not to kick out a smelly homeless man.

The point of this post is to discuss why an emplyee would include herself with the company (using the word "we") when it is NOT her career job.

Note to Self: Don't hire Longtimegone for anything, ever...

Originally posted by Longtimegone
Wow. Society brainwashed all of you who have posted so far.

How asinine to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as being brainwashed.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
ok - to address the two key issues seperatly

first - the remonal of a non paying , none customer who was a cause of concern to paying customers ..

...second - the use of the word " we " is NOT brainwashing - i have used the term "we" in every single job i had [ apart from my self employed experiences ] when i played football and rugby - we alloways refered to the team as " we "

further - if there are 4 staff in the business " we are to busy " is correct if EVERYONE is busy , i only every used "i " when i was the only one quallified to handle a given situation or i was called for by name

very simple logic really - no brainwashing involved

I agree, that the Starbucks employee cannot allow the business to become a place to loiter. Also, I note the OP never says how many homeless people he has taken in to his home recently...

Regarding there being no attempt at "brainwashing" in the corporate world...are you kidding? I am now retired, but I saw nothing but "brainwashing" in all the major companies I worked for, Evidenced by the words "team", "Step up to the plate", "more with less", "take ownership" and on and on. The corporate world indoctrinates otherwise well educated souls to become mindless zombies, ready to do whatever Big Bro demands of them. One only has to look at the word used to describe their employees..."human resources". How sad that we are but a resource much like a widget to the corp big dogs!

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It is kind of hard to fault a company for providing the comfortable yet sterile ambiance its' patrons demand.

Yet, I think I see your larger concern.

Around the Georgetown KY area, divorce rates among those hired at the auto plant seem shockingly high.

So high that the term "Toyota widow" has entered the local vernacular.


Most marriages appear to end quite soon after employment.

Is this in line with your point?

Originally posted by killer4281
i do not go to starbucks for the reason that they do not support military perons and me being former military i think that is bs how can an american company not support the military im sure many of you have heard this already

Completely false, this is an urban legend.
www.snopes.com...

The starbucks around here has the "buy-a-pound" program for soldiers and sends coffee over there.

As for this being brainwashing, it's no different for other companies. The world "We" is used as an identifier of the organization. As an employee, this person was acting on behalf of the organization. For those who think it's evil to not let homeless people hang around. Well, you try running a business like that and see how it works out for you.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by antonia]

Originally posted by Gakus
your friend says "we" and calls his co-workers(who he is most likely on friendly terms with) partners so you call him brain washed?


its called having a job, you moron.

try getting one.

Yes, I was thinking the very same thing. Also, as far as a place for young people to work, Starbucks is one of the BEST deals in town...the lesser of a few evils you might say. Perhaps this person feels a bit of loyalty towards the company that gave him/her a job; as an employer myself in the U.S., I see FEW AMERICANS have this ethic anymore. NO! Most people act like you owe them a favor when they work for you.
As far as removing the homeless...the bleeding hearts want to believe its a GOOD thing when you GIVE to a homeless person. IT IS NOT, and it only perpetuates this sad dilemma. There is a reason they say "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS" They would gradually become so apathetic they wouldn't even hunt for themselves. The only way to get most homeless people off the streets, is to close all the doors of FREE to them...
How do I know...HOMELESS DRUG ADDICT myself from 1993-2001.

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ITS CALLED A GOOD WORK ETHIC. THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A GOOD WORK ETHIC ARE NORMALLY PROMOTED AND MAKE MORE FED IOU'S. AND SECOND I HATE THE DRUNK STINKY HOMELESS PITY PARTY MF'S.

IF ITS A FAMILY AND ARE IN NEED I HELP. I VOLUNTEER AT MY LOCAL FOOD BANK AND HELP AS MUCH AS I CAN TO KEEP FAMILIES FEED IN THERE TIME OF NEED BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DRUGGIES AND ECT NO SYMPATHY A LOT MORE GOOD PEOPLE NEED IT NOW MORE THEN EVER.

note: DIDN'T FEEL THIS WAY ABOUT HOMELESS UNTIL I MOVED TO THE SF AREA.

Look.

Maybe the amount of homeless people would not be so large if we did not ship all our jobs overseas.

Thanks NAFTA.

Now stuff like this will become an everyday occurance.

When I was a kid, just 20 years ago, there were almost no homeless people in cities the size of 100,000.

You would not see many homeless till you entered cities over population 250,000 usually around 1million +.

But now days you see homeless people in cities the size of 9,000.

What gives?

I betcha NAFTA was partially responsible.

And this "Culture of Greed" everyone is defending as a "good work ethic" more like a good 'slave ethic, imo.

I personally desire to share in the profits of my labor, and then I shall work harder and more efficiently than your best brainwashed slave.

If you paid attention to the Economy, you would know that "profit sharing" companies are quickly rising stars and are receiving extremely high ratings. Profit sharing is the way of the future. Corporate rape will become a dinosaur.

Is Starbucks brainwashing its employees? I think that, from the number of responses, that we can conclude that it is not doing it any more so than a normal highschool, sports team, or collection of people. They are a business that sells coffee products (i.e. drinks, cups, little pastries, et al) and not a place for the non-paying consumer. There are multiple resources that do provide those services available.

Even at the little coffee shop I worked at that had no more than five or six employees I referred to it as 'we'. I liked to keep the place clean, drive up sales, and make my customers happy. I had a bit of pride in my job.

A good deal of this thread does, however, rely on the idea of, "if you agree with me, you are not brainwashed. If you do not agree with me, you are." I truthfully hate the term sheep and sheeple. Why? Sheep seems pretty smart to me to stay in a herd. I've never been walking on a farm and been like, "Oh crud, a wild sheep. run for your lives!". They aren't the most dangerous of creatures, and the herd saves them. The lone sheep tends to get eaten.

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by doorhand
Whats the big deal in showing a bit of human kindness?

Because you can't make a profit off of human kindness.

Ergo, profit is unkind. So why would we want to make more of anything which does not support human kindness. What value could profit have, if not human value.

A good deal of this thread does, however, rely on the idea of, "if you agree with me, you are not brainwashed. If you do not agree with me, you are." I truthfully hate the term sheep and sheeple. Why? Sheep seems pretty smart to me to stay in a herd. I've never been walking on a farm and been like, "Oh crud, a wild sheep. run for your lives!". They aren't the most dangerous of creatures, and the herd saves them. The lone sheep tends to get eaten.

The point is that you view yourself as a sheep and vulnerable alone. Some of us are much less vulnerable.
The view expressed by the term "sheeple" would be then, that some people are like sheep and some people are more analogous to some other species.

However I disagree with it's usage too because it just sounds stupid to me. And I personally know that I'm not going to get anywhere in life by separating people from myself of looking down upon them as if they were separate. Y'all can do your own thing, but that's how I run my show. At least, when I have enough consciousness to be actively running my own show.

Maybe your friend is just one of those people who takes their job way too seriously. I encountered the same type of mindset when i worked at money mart, but there was no brainwashing going on.

Originally posted by veranda
Maybe your friend is just one of those people who takes their job way too seriously. I encountered the same type of mindset when i worked at money mart, but there was no brainwashing going on.

Yeah I believe the "brainwashing" is a society wide phenomena. TV is a large source of this, but there are many other factors as well.

The Corporations individually only give "training" which is similar to brainwashing but much simpler and far far less effective in the long run.

However society wide brainwashing which can be found at virtually every turn, enforces the belief that Money is better than anything else. And that Greed is a virtue rather than a vice.

I never say "we". Why?

Because I get $ through independent contracting. As a writer.

I always say I, because I make my own rules for the most part.

When you deal with me, 24/7, you are dealing with ME a flesh and blood human being. Not some corporate baloney fiction crap, but a real human being.

I really wanted a job with Corporations but once I discovered they were fascists I had to turn their crappy jobs down. I am above being a slave, thanks.

I'll just keep working for myself and see where that leads.

I may not be rich yet, but at least by working for myself I HAVE A CHANCE to get Rich!!!

Working as a slave for a Corporation you will NEVER get rich. Sorry. Not gonna happen.

This is why I say "I" and not "We".

[edit on 1-4-2010 by muzzleflash]

What a bunch of plunderers! Homeless smelly coffee farmers are now FORCED to sell their coffee at below production cost.

www.fairtrade.org.uk...

"The price paid for coffee is now at a thirty-year low and small farmers are unable to cover the costs of production. They cannot earn the income necessary to feed their families, send their children to school, buy essential medicines and stay on their land. The coffee crisis is affecting 25 million producers in large parts of Africa, Asia and Latin America. Coffee is the nucleus of the Ethiopian economy. Coffee accounts for more than 50% of Ethiopia's exports, 95% of which is grown by small farmers. About 700,000 households are dependant on coffee and another 15 million are partly dependant on coffee for their livelihoods." Tadesse Meskela, Oromia General Manager3.

www.bloomberg.com...

By Jason McLure March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Ethiopia, Africa’s largest coffee producer, closed the warehouses of the country’s six largest exporters of the beans and suspended their licenses after accusing the brokers of hoarding the crop, the government said. “They have five days to appeal their case,” Ermias Legesse, the state minister of government communication affairs, said by phone from the capital, Addis Ababa, today. Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi last week accused exporters of stockpiling coffee while they waited for international prices to rise, a practice he called “an illegal way of working.” Meles said the government would seize the coffee if it wasn’t sold immediately.