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Originally posted by wartooth420
reply to post by The Shrike
okay then. lets seeeeee
theres photos ufos.
no irrefutable enough for you?
theres videos of ufos.
some fake, some real. the only way you can prove if the videos and photos are real is if you can go back in time to the exact date and time, with a video camera and document the entire time at the area in question.
No need to. I've had 5 or 6 superb sightings with one resulting in a video with an ascending passenger jet for reference. Next!
Originally posted by wartooth420
reply to post by The Shrike
your ignorance is just as confusing "the bottom line is that we are all there is in "creation" and we are our own evidence." give me proof, give me photographs and video of every square inch of the universe. and when zero percent of this evidence shows up with et life. then we can say humans are all there is in creation.
and then this:
No need to. I've had 5 or 6 superb sightings with one resulting in a video with an ascending passenger jet for reference. Next!
doesnt even make sense.
in what way does this go with your point? from my pov it entirely contradicts what your saying in your previous posts.
please elaborate further on what exactly it is your trying to say.
Originally posted by wartooth420
reply to post by The Shrike
okay i see now. thank you for clearing that up.
im not going to argue any longer with you. you obviously dont want to think outside the box. i dont blame you. it can be scary outside of the box.
i wish you a happy easter.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by wartooth420
how about this. you find me facts and files that give logical proof that extraterrestrials dont exist.
How about, no, it doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Well lets break this down so we can deal with seperate modes of thought ...
First, most scientificaly aware people understand that the probability of there being NO other intelligent life in the universe is pretty damned low. Even the most hardened skeptics are often well aware and prepared to admit this . However, many of them believe (not without good reason it has to be said) that these beings live so far away, that even with FTL (as we mere humans understand it) it would take an improbable length of time for them to reach us, so while being receptive to the idea of the EXISTANCE of another race, they merely refute the idea that they have ever been in a position to visit here. These are genuine skeptics, who base thier opinions on what can be observed using the tools of rationality and science, allowing none of thier own fears and weaknesses to alter thier assumptions.
On the other hand, there are other modes of thought on the so called skeptic side. These are persons you could show a UFO to , who would claim even when the evidence of thier own eyes was against them, that the UFO or other proof, was nothing more than a figment of your imagination, ball lightning , a blimp or weather balloon, swamp gas, or some other such idiocy. These are not skeptics, or debunkers. These are what you call close minded stubborn xenophobes. Scared of what they cannot comprehend, terrified of changing thier drasticaly limited veiw of the wider universe, and our meaning as a race within it. They are ignorance personified. They are given ammunition however.
The ammunition so helpfully supplied to these maniacs, and cosmic nazis, come from folks who have a cultists veiw of the subject of extraterrestrial life. Those who assemble in great numbers to hear liars and hoaxers speak of galactic politics, and those who shout loudly and yet say nothing of worth, but some how say it in a way which makes the ignorant masses beg for more, and plough thier hard earned money into sham after sham , lie after lie. This bunch are an unclassifiable quantity because thier ways and lies are so varied that to lump them all under one heading is idiocy. Thier malignancy deserves labeling and surveying under the multitude of names and movements which comprise its whole.
Last but not least , you have reasonable folks, who hear and see , and make up thier minds for themselves. They will not run to be indoctrinated by either the state, or the hippy cultists either. They merely wish to know the truth, without claiming to know either way. Me personaly ? I fall closer to this mark than the others. I suspect that there is other life out there. I suspect that it has visited here, but thats about as far as I can go. I will not say Im certain of it, because I would be basing my certainty on unfirm ground. Its not a heresy to want more hard evidence before making a stand. In a world as backward and corrupting as the one we inhabit, one must be sure of his facts before announcing his position unto the world,lest he be caught up on a wave of hysteria, and sucked into the many flavoured lunacy which many others before have been swallowed by.
Originally posted by Viper2
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by wartooth420
how about this. you find me facts and files that give logical proof that extraterrestrials dont exist.
How about, no, it doesn't work that way.
How about, YES, it DOES work that way.
Originally posted by demongoat
Originally posted by Viper2
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by wartooth420
how about this. you find me facts and files that give logical proof that extraterrestrials dont exist.
How about, no, it doesn't work that way.
How about, YES, it DOES work that way.
how about no, you are asking for people to prove something doesn't exist. you can't prove something doesn't exist, things that don't exist don't leave evidence.
you have to prove your claims, that is how a logical debate works.
Originally posted by deenuu
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Show me a lifeform
Here is one example, this example is still being debated but it is only a matter of time before "a life form" is discovered and verified.
martian bacteria may have lived in the martian meteorite ALH 84001
www.lpi.usra.edu...
Originally posted by wartooth420
let me rephrase something you said: "To date, no evidence has been RELEASED of life existing anywhere other than on this planet."
incase you didnt know, the governments of the world have been known to lie. so when these scientists do find life(which id bet anything in my possesion they have) the government will do everything in its power to cover it up.
eyewitness accounts, ancient texts, files, photos and documents, are more than skeptics have to disprove extraterrestrial life.
tell me, what exactly are YOUR beliefs? not just on this subject. but in general. whats your biew on the universe?
Originally posted by The Shrike
This thread is not for the logical thinker.
the bottom line is that we are all there is in "creation" and we are our own evidence.
Originally posted by wartooth420
i could care less if people dont share my beliefs. but when people refer to me and other people who believe in extraterrestrial life, as "schitzophrenic paranoid nutjobs". that is when something has been said.
Originally posted by wartooth420
incase you didnt know, the governments of the world have been known to lie. so when these scientists do find life(which id bet anything in my possesion they have) the government will do everything in its power to cover it up.