Very Basic Universe Question

If the universe started as a tiny point (the singularity), and then expanded (big bang), what is it expanding into

For example, if I take a bottle of Visine, and squeeze a drop on to a dinner plate, the drop expands.

So, in the universe example, what is the plate?

Thanks in advance, told 'ya it was basic

reply to post by Signals


(You must know I can't answer the question.)

But here's this and it is somehow, someway, remotely related.

If the Universe continues to expand, at some point, one will look into the sky at night and see no stars. Or only a few.

I did say "remotely" related.

reply to post by Signals


What if the Universe is not expanding and its only our perception of the Universe that is in fact expanding based on the tools we use to view the Universe .

We find what we look for ; The act of viewing can do many strange things , from effecting the quantum world to perhaps expanding the universe its self , perhaps ?

Double post


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reply to post by Signals


Cool question Signals!!

I am guessing that it is not 5 o'clock in the morning where you are (or maybe it is) to come up with questions like these....

I understand your question and i really have no idea what the answer is.

Space/Time would be my guess....

S+F for you.

Peace

reply to post by Signals



The visible universe is just a microcosm of the total Universe and the big bang theory is just that...a theory.

reply to post by whaaa


Ahhh come on Whaaa,

that's just the easy answer.....

Then what is the "total Universe" residing/expanding/shrinking in??

(No attack!! I really have no understanding of these matters but since i have emotionally invested into this thread i would like to get a clearer answer then that before going to work )

Peace

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


That is sad but true indeed. Luckily we won't have to worry about it!

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by whaaa

 

Then what is the "total Universe" residing/expanding/shrinking in??

All of the above, at the same time. When you take into account the other 11 dimensions it gets complicated.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
I am guessing that it is not 5 o'clock in the morning where you are (or maybe it is) to come up with questions like these....

Well, my example did use a bottle of Visine...

THX

reply to post by whaaa

You seems to know more about this whaaa. I have a couple of minutes to spare so maybe we can get to the bottom of this??

Is it like from "the big bang" to "the big crunch" and everything in between is? Like a circle has a point of origin and a point where the end meets the beginning but for the circle to be a circle the factor of time has to be left out? Does that mean that we are actually scr*wing our selfs by assuming time is a dimension when it is actually a tool we use to make sense of things we cannot comprehend??

Did i just insult Einstein and the entire scientific community with my senseless dribble? I think i did.....

Best if i shut up and drink my coffee.

Thanks for the science lesson (obviously i need them).

Peace

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The answer is...

"It is a gift for you".

Nah, just sounds deep and stuff...

To tell ya the truth, I am still uninformed on what "matter" actually is (and I don't care what level of physicist comes with whatever explanation).

I'm just glad you are thinking.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by whaaa


Is it like from "the big bang" to "the big crunch" and everything in between is? Like a circle has a point of origin and a point where the end meets the beginning but for the circle to be a circle the factor of time has to be left out? Does that mean that we are actually scr*wing our selfs by assuming time is a dimension when it is actually a tool we use to make sense of things we cannot comprehend??

Nice observation. Time actually doesn't exist. It is a mental construct to help our primitive minds conceptualize our environment.

You can't insult Einstein. He is as dead as his theories.

Originally posted by Mr Mask
The answer is...

"It is a gift for you".

Best answer so far

Maybe you're not such a $#@%$ bag after all.

reply to post by whaaa


Cool!!!.......

but that still doesn't give an answer as to where/what our "circle" is floating in....right??

Oh boy, this is confusing. That'll teach me to address "basic" questions in the morning. Thanks Signals.. ( )

Peace

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Mr Mask
The answer is...

"It is a gift for you".

Best answer so far

Maybe you're not such a $#@%$ bag after all.

Awww...

Thanks Sigs.

Keep on.

reply to post by Signals

Here's sort of a droll answer I'll throw at you:

The universe is sort of like a - well - like a lego set that never runs out of pieces. It will keep expanding until the beings playing with it get tired of it and go away to do something else. They COULD, theoretically, make it smaller by uncreating it (sort of like making time run backwards) but I doubt anyone would be interested enough to bother with that.

It's funny to think about the various theories of universal creation, but I don't know how important they really are. We are much more in need of understanding how the universe "inside our own head" gets created!

Basic question?

Basic Answer: It is pointless.

Hint: Use a magnifying glass upon said retort. Yes, it's on line #2.


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Does anybody mind if i hijack this post? Nobody? cool...

Originally posted by l_e_cox
reply to post by Signals

 

Here's sort of a droll answer I'll throw at you:

The universe is sort of like a - well - like a lego set that never runs out of pieces.

Now that is an explanation i can understand l_e_cox

Unfortunately that is not what Signals asked...(if only it were that simple, i'd be at work right now). What is the universe in/on, that's the question..

It will keep expanding until the beings playing with it get tired of it and go away to do something else.

Now we are getting somewhere.....There are beings playing with it!! So i am assuming that the Universe is in some kind of nursery of school? Maybe a schoolyard? Is it outside or indoors....give us some clues here!!

They COULD, theoretically, make it smaller by uncreating it (sort of like making time run backwards) but I doubt anyone would be interested enough to bother with that.

Well you know kids....

It's funny to think about the various theories of universal creation, but I don't know how important they really are. We are much more in need of understanding how the universe "inside our own head" gets created!

Well that one is actually not so hard to imagine. You see, inside your head are beings playing with "your universe" as if it were a Lego set. They can expand or........

Peace

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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Basic question?

Basic Answer: It is pointless.

Hint: Use a magnifying glass upon said retort. Yes, it's on line #2.


[edit on 3/31/2010 by EnlightenUp]

ya lost me there

maybe this isn't a basic question, perhaps I should have called it "short" question?

anyways, I can't quite wrap my head around what the "plate" is or if it even exists...we've all seen the multiverse theories, some explaining that the "plate" would be another universe bubble our universe is pressing into or onto

my head hurts