How the FBI busted one YouTube nutjob in under a day

reply to post by fleabit


He didn't make any death threats. He just said that all their first born sons were going to die. How could you imply that as a death threat? If anything all he's doing is just invoking religion... it's not like he threatened anyone directly or anything. It's obvious the guy was just mad at youtube employees.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


If you read up on the guy (check out Zindo's link), you'll see that he did make some pretty explicite death threats.

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"I am the former god with the name of Zeus and Zion and Ra, and I am here, and I am here with my son, Messiah. His name is Atom [Adam?], he is my first Atom [Adam?] ever, and he is all twelve tribes of Israel."

The FBI will not be able to contain him.

Originally posted by fleabit
Are you kidding me? So, if a guy in your local bar said he hated you, and your kids.. that your kids were spawn of satan, and that he was going to put bullets in their head, you'd ignore it because he "probably wouldn't do it."

Free speech is one thing. It really IS against the law to make death threats, perhaps you didn't realize this. And I personally feel that any means necessary to "impede" on a nutjobs "free speech" is fine, to put him behind bars, or get the help he needs.

You are the sort of reason that school massacres happen, do you realize that? People speak out. They get angrier because people don't take them seriously. Next thing you know, there is a massacre, and then we hear about all the "signs" that everyone ignored because they "didn't believe he'd do it."

You just personally love to rail against any authority that DARES to impede on any of your "freedons," even if it's to catch a would-be killer.

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Kudos to you! I gave you a star because you posted exactly what I was going to say before I was given the chance.

Too many people here on ATS like to swing both ways on issues. I believe it may be so that when we learn of the outcome, they can say "See? I told you". Take a stance one way or the other, people.

Originally posted by D.E.M.

This video was clearly something special; in it, Leboon railed against Cantor's "cupcake evil wife" and called the Congressman "a liar... a lucifer... a pig... an abomination." Pretty over-the-top, especially when Leboon went after Cantor's kids and called them "Lucifer's abominations," then started talking about bullets that "will be placed in your heads."

Good thing or a bad thing, it remains to be seen. In this case however, I welcome our internet overlords for removing this dude in the name of public safety...

Good thing or bad thing??? Are you serious D.E.M.? Tell me how it's a GOOD thing to put bullets in this man's childrens heads?

If that wasn't what you were referring to, then you should've added to your last statement: "Good thing or bad thingthat this man should be arrested for executing his right to freedom of speech....". But you didn't. I hope that was what you meant to say. I think it was, so I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Threats to one's family are inexcusable and deemed punishable under law here in the States. This isn't freedom of speech. It's a felony.

reply to post by nycfrog27


I was at work and had to make quick work of the submission. I meant

"Whether the FBI having this deep an ability to track and apprehend internet users is a good or bad thing remains to be seen. In this case, however, I welcome our internet overlords for taking this nutjob off the street."

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by fleabit

 

He didn't make any death threats. He just said that all their first born sons were going to die. How could you imply that as a death threat? If anything all he's doing is just invoking religion... it's not like he threatened anyone directly or anything. It's obvious the guy was just mad at youtube employees.

According to one of his own videos - "You will lose your first born sons as you sleep. I did this to the Pharoah."

He makes it pretty clear that the reason they will be losing those first born sons is HIMSELF. Whether he meant by magic or sneaking into homes with a weapon, you do not threaten to kill someone's child.

This guy was so over the top it looks like a set up to me, as someone mentioned probably the kick off for the internet censorship campaign. After all we all want to be safe from the nut jobs right... Sigh! Will we ever learn...

Interesting last several days don't you think with all the trolls pushnig thier marxist/socialist crap, the militia raids, the Provost Marshall/TRAP thread, Army internal violence training etc. and now this crap... Hmmm concerted effort maybe? Wonder what's next....

If what he stated was just opinion, why feel threatened?
A democracy should be strong enough to be able to handle radical thoughts. Its democracy after all.
And in a democracy theres even place for this nutjob and his opinion.

Saying that he "could have done something serious" is charging him for "thought crimes"

And funny enough you guys all condone with the actions of the FBI.

The system works.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Good job guys

Radicals like this should be locked up for our safety. I think we need to draw a line in the sand with these nut jobs. I don't like what is going on in the country but I believe voting and free speech are the only way to get things done.


What this man was doing was not American. Our country is not that bad yet. We still have a way to change with free elections. This is the American way it is called voting.

Interesting that you (Subjective Truth) say that violent is not "American" when you use as your Avitar, "Nut Job" George Washington, who took the law into his own hands. Had the 1776 guys not done that, we would be bowing to the Queen today.




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Originally posted by Dynamitrios
If what he stated was just opinion, why feel threatened?
A democracy should be strong enough to be able to handle radical thoughts. Its democracy after all.
And in a democracy theres even place for this nutjob and his opinion.

Saying that he "could have done something serious" is charging him for "thought crimes"

And funny enough you guys all condone with the actions of the FBI.

The system works.

My sentiments exactly. It seems quite a few folks on these boards are all about freedom, until you do something they don't like that is! A thought crime is exactly what this is. I've said it before in other threads, you can't prosecute someone for something they might do, or else we'd all be in jail. To all you people applauding this, tell ya what, we'll just have the feds to your homes and arrest you, because, after all, you all might be dangerous. Everyone has threatened someone in the past, and will do so in the future. Why is it you all get a pass and not this guy? Whatever happened to "Words can never hurt you?" Jeez you people...

Chrono

The fact he has moved on from just having the though in his head and actually acting it out verbally and physically on camera where's the line where thought crimes begin and threats end?

Imo, if he's crazy enough to make the videos, he can face the consequences..

The FBI has my total support on this one. This guy not only looks but speaks as a lunatic and when people like that start saying they are GOD, have a mission and mention fire arms or bullets it's time to lock them up.

I think the problem here is that some of you have never seen a truly insane person. Radical talk and dissent are one thing, but talk about putting bullets in kids' heads and people dying, not to mention the weird religious references are all indications of a mind that is in another reality. He isn't just different from other people, he is literally living in another world, and the two worlds won't come together unless, hopefully, he gets meds that can help him.

2,000 videos... is kind of funny. Heck, I'd think 30-40 would be a LOT; much less 300-400.... but 2,000?

Wow...

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by fleabit

 

He didn't make any death threats. He just said that all their first born sons were going to die. How could you imply that as a death threat? If anything all he's doing is just invoking religion... it's not like he threatened anyone directly or anything. It's obvious the guy was just mad at youtube employees.

I don't like authority, I really don't. I long for anarchy, meaning self reliance and peace of mind.
But that is a threat. If I was at the receiving end of it, I'd feel threatened.
Even if the law enforced was common law (which it's not, it's commerce law) this guy would be looking at getting his time in court.
I'll say that I see it as sheer chance that the broken, compromised and corrupt system was actually able to serve the people is this case. I guess it's good press for a bad beast.

Originally posted by Dynamitrios
If what he stated was just opinion, why feel threatened?
A democracy should be strong enough to be able to handle radical thoughts. Its democracy after all.
And in a democracy theres even place for this nutjob and his opinion.

Saying that he "could have done something serious" is charging him for "thought crimes"

And funny enough you guys all condone with the actions of the FBI.

The system works.

It was not his opinion that got him in trouble, it was threatening people's lives. Threaten to kill my children publicly and see just how respected your "opinion" is. You would not even have to worry about the FBI, trust me.

Originally posted by Chronogoblin
My sentiments exactly. It seems quite a few folks on these boards are all about freedom, until you do something they don't like that is! A thought crime is exactly what this is. I've said it before in other threads, you can't prosecute someone for something they might do,

Chrono

Now I get it. People do not see the difference between what someone might do and what someone clearly states they are willing to carry out, showing desire and personal motive. Has your family ever been threatened? Ever had a person stand on your lawn and tell you that they will be coming back to set the house on fire while you AND YOUR FAMILY slept? Ever been through something like that? Is pretty hard to see that as free speech and not an actionable THREAT.

There is a difference between what someone might do and what someone clearly states they are going to do.

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Originally posted by Dynamitrios
A democracy should be strong enough to be able to handle radical thoughts. Its democracy after all.
And in a democracy theres even place for this nutjob and his opinion.

and
reply to post by Chronogoblin

I don't know guys. You do raise a good point. But if I was at the receiving end of such a threat, I'd want to be able to lay a legal complaint to ensure the safety of my family.
That's not how this situation happened and I'm certainly not defending the current system, I'm just of the belief that while one person should have the right of freedom of speech, another person should have the right to claim some sort of personal infringement if they believe they have received a threat.

That "death of the firstborn" stuff is a Bible thing. If you believe the Bible, you believe that God made threats like this "Nut Job". Is God a Nut Job? Is everyone who believes the Bible a "Nut Job".

How about making it against the law to read/believer the Bible?

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