The Enfield Poltergeist Case

reply to post by Rising Against


Sorry. My post were too short.

I can honestly say this, because i have experience in this, seriously.

The mental distress in me (and I was into serious meditation, energy
understanding, research and also good polarity sinchronicities) was never
short of overwhelming. Just see "them" (neg transcendental) is something
a normal person will scream untill their voice is out. And when they come
to you, their most usual technique is hold you in paralisis, feeling a block
of concrete on your chest while they feed over your fear.

Thats why I said it can destroy you, and if not, you will have evidence that
will lead you into be a more positive being, seeking shield and growth (self
enlightment).

Or not, can turn you into a very materialist person while in complete
denial. But fly in the air... thats a direct way for the sanatory, even if you
are a teenager while reality is still in motion for your mind.

Im hoping this is a hoax, I honestly only see this type of neg manifestation
if you are a buddhist or shaman, in a forest, and asking for demonic
possession to prove your spirit is 'worthy' (in their rituals) - because in
that situation, your "prey" allowance gave them the extra energy to push
all the terror they can press on you.

Peace.

[ ]´s

RP

reply to post by RobertPaulsim

And when they come to you, their most usual technique is hold you in paralisis, feeling a block of concrete on your chest while they feed over your fear.

I’m pretty certain from what you wrote above that what you was suffering from was something called “Old Hag Syndrome”, so In case you are not familiar with that, sorry if you are, but it's something which is closely related to sleep paralysis which is basically something that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement).

So sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the body paralysis persists.

This paralystic state which can be happening to a person for a period of 7 seconds to 7 minutes for example, which as one can understand is something that can become quite stressful and quite terrifying for a person.

Also it’s very important to know that the period of sleep paralysis can be accompanied by hallucinations, some demonic, So for example a person can experience the presence of a demonic figure standing next to them, something which they could fully believe happened but was in fact nothing at all.

Some scientists have even proposed this condition as an explanation for alien abductions and ghostly encounters as well as Demonic encounters.

Ok so I think that is necessary as a person can be easily tricked that something is indeed something when it actually isn't anything at all, not saying at all that this is what happened to you but it does happen whether we want to believe it or not.

Also yes I do agree that something like this can also destroy a person, it indeed does have the power to do so but it only relies on the individual that this is happening to whether or at what measure they will be affected.

If you don't let it get to you then IMO you will be a by far stronger person for it although don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that is easy or anything, believe me.

Just my opinion but I think it’s very important to know that we have more control in any situation but especially when we think we have none at all.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by Rising Against]

reply to post by Rising Against


Oh yes, and it keeps getting you after even you take a panic shower
of more than 20 minutes...

//[Good try for denial.]
Scratch that... its ok

[edit on 1-4-2010 by RobertPaulsim]

Gotta claim hoax. THe pillows is one thing but the "levitation" photos tacitly point to hoaxing and a vast misunderstanding of what happens to the human body when it is involuntarily thrown.

You see in the photos the girl "levitating" through the air is simply jumping off her bed. I've tossed more than a few people involuntarily and the human body will always try to counter act the sudden loss of body control. the back will arch and he legs and arms will shoot out as a futile attempt to grab a hold or gain control of the body. watch any person being thrown where they are not tumbling in the air like in a judo throw or aikido throw and the will all invariably have stiff arms and legs with an arched back. its human reflexes. the body is trying to regain control of their sudden inertia.

The people who faked these photos obviously didn't know this little fact or spend a lot of tine chucking other people around (WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE) to know any better. but those who know what a person suddenly tossed in the air does naturally knows better, and can spot the shenanigans.

also, in regards to the previous post at the top of his page, what a massive misunderstanding of buddhism to think that buddhists are trying to conjure up demons in the forest. The only demons in buddhism are allegories for generic internal demons everybody faces in their life.

You are probably thinking of shintoism a japanese folk religion that believed very much in demons and spirits in every day objects. it was all about nature spirits. Chinese taoism had what was considered alchemy to the ignorant westerners that first came in contact with the practicioners and had no better terms to explain the taoists beliefs. They called it alchemy, in reality the taoists were describing thermodynamics. and 1000 years before westerners even fancied the idea. So no the notion of demons is misguided in reference to buddhism or taoist beliefs.

Just from the pic's I'm thinking hoax.

1) the first pics show the girls asleep. Who and more important, why, started the camera? Also, I really don't see a zig zagging to the pillow, I see a pillow that fell off the bed. Regardless, what prompted the person to start taking pictures?

2) In the first "levitation" pic, the bed is completely made up. There is no way anyone was lying under the covers of that bed. And I doubt poltergeists would be so neat and tidy. There is even a suspicions blanket "wave"of the bed from where her forward energy pushed the material back.

3) After the first time you saw your daughter flying through the air, would you ever let your children sleep there again? I personally wouldn't even if I had to give them my room instead.

The problem with the photos is if there was no clear chain of evidence from when they were taken out of the camera and the sequence they were developed, there is no way to tell if one has anything to do with the other. The parents could have staged the whole "blanket rising" moments, and of course we have nothing but their word that the window was indeed shut. As for all the levitation pics, why is it there are so few? Seems like about the right amount of time airborne if one were jumping. I would think there should be many 1/2 second pics of the events, yet there are only 2 at most. And yes, I think their poverty and the cultural context of the Amityville horror (another probable hoax) is an important aspect to consider.

Personally, I blame that creepy looking doll right next to left bed. Yikes!



[edit on 4/2/2010 by DeathTribble]

reply to post by DeathTribble

Personally, I blame that creepy looking doll right next to left bed. Yikes

Anyway nice post but I don’t agree with calling hoax from the pictures alone in all honesty (no matter how fake some do look, which I admit they definitely do) but I suggest watching the documentary I added at the bottom of my first post as well if you have time as its IMO well made and very informative.

This is my favorite paranormal case ever! Velive me, ive done TONS of research on this, the enfield poltergiest. The girls did admitt ot faknig some of it, they wanted to play along. Thiers a documentary on youtube, with janet all grwon up now, made in like 1998...she stilla dmited it was all real!
The police indeed, 2 of them swore they observed a chair levitate. The entitys name, was 'Bill'. When Maurice, the paranomral investogatr first started recording the entitys name, a dog was heard barking. The family did not own a dog. so Maurice, now deceased, passed away in 2006, demandded the entitys name. A loud gruling old mans voice was somewhat heard, the entity trie to speak like 3 times before it was clear. It identified itself, as bill, an older man who said he died in the living room of that house, years early, of a stroke. Recordds the famliy researched found, a man named bill did in fact, die in an armchair of a stroke in thier living room.
Bill swore and cursed alot, in his recordings. He said he had 67 dogs, when asked by muarice, why so many dogs...it wa because bill felt/thought he was a threat and was trying to kill him.
I have downlaods i saved, of bills voice, i found online. i can try and dig the website out for all too see and hear. its really scary stuff, nonetheelss, but be warned bill LOVED to curse alot.
It seemed, bill was centered around janet. janet would often sit in the living room, and bills voic would come out slandering everyone. At first, the investigators thought janet was doing vantriliquism..so they rigged a microphone to her throat/larynx, then put the microphpne behind her. It appeared, bills voice was coming form behind her, a few feet away only. Thier is actual video of this taking place, gotta dig to find it. Youtube might have it.
The weird thing about this investigation is...its like bill just simply vanisghed, without an exorcism being performed. Every website, talks about thei wild tale, true or not, but not one ever mentions how 'bill' was cleansed form the home. Thier all centeredd around her activity and the suspense.
This case does very much make me think and remind me, of a woman in south california late 70's early80's. an entity, was raping her, beating her, pulling her hair terribly, making her leviate violently. She has constantly moved, to well over 12 locations all throughout the southwest, and it was reported the entity simply folowed her. Thier is 1 pic that can be found, of the activity when paranomal researchers investigated. When the were trying to talk to this 'thing', the ceiling in th living room lit up with many bright lights, that were taken with a camera.
Of course, that too coudl have been faked, jsut like amityville. The lawyer of the amityville family, admitted ON camera, they conjured the whole thing up to make money, over a bottle of wine, and chit chat. but thier is a photo online, taken when the warrens were their investiagating. taken with an infrored camera at night, at bottom of stairs, theirs a little boy with an elongated left arm at bttom of stairs. white eyes, has a semi ghostly image.
No one has ever been able to disprove that photo, because the experts think its real. it is possible, the amityville case was a fraud, but during it, the yuongs boys ghost wa in fact in the house, and one night, just simply showed up/aterialized for the camera.
kudos to who started and detailed this thread!

Now, i have read, in the pics posted, janet flying through the air, jsut about everyone does discredit those photos. Its assumed to be a fake* if you will. what cannot be answered, is the curtain twisting, the pillow folding in mid air, and the infamous pic, of janet on the dresser, on her arm...it was said, thier was a loud crash and bang, they all ran up to see what was going on, and their was janet, on one arm supporting up her body. SOme have claimed it be a hoax, because if you look at the background of her leg, it kinda appears to be suporting her body up on the dresser.
The only real people who know the truth are maurice, but he is deceased,a nd the family memebrs, and investigators who were thier. They took pictures, did voice recordings, but its not really tangable enough, as lets say, video camera running. i like to belive it is a true story, persoanlly, because its so weird and scary~

this was such a good story i remember it been on tv years ago really spooky stuff its just crazy how all this happened then it just went like nothing had ever even happened but thats the way it goes i lived with a poltergiest for all my teenage life and have a few storys to tell ill be posting a few on here soon now that iv finally made my twenty posts haha

reply to post by RobertPaulsim


Wait, are you saying buddhists ask for demonic posession? What? I am a buddhist and we do not ask for demonic posession or summon demons or anything like that whatsoever.

Regarding the case, this is a cool thread and VERY interesting case, I never have heard of this one before. Looks like now I have something to do tonight, watching videos and reading about this. Thanks for posting this.

Peace

[edit on 3-4-2010 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 3-4-2010 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by RobertPaulsim

//[Good try for denial.] Scratch that... its ok

I'm sorry my friend but it's not denial, Old hag syndrome is infact a real case and no offence but to actually try and completely dismiss it (even though it seems to fit your story perfectly) is extremely ignorant.

Originally posted by Lebowski achiever
I have known about this case since when I was little. I remember reading about it and hearing knocking sounds throughout the night which totally scared me. I have also seen the photographs before but never like this. It does give it a bit of a different perspective. I am still undecided on the whole thing but leaning towards trickery/hoax. However, the photographs are baffling me somewhat.

Edited to add that I cannot view the youtube video due to me being outside the UK.

[edit on 30/3/10 by Lebowski achiever]

I found this youtube link that is viewable

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 30/3/10 by Lebowski achiever]

thanks for the link def. worth watching

As soon as I read that Janet admitted to faking some of the activity I stopped reading. All their credibility is gone.

That's fair enough and yes it does wreck the credibility of this story alot but It's still a fascinating case to say the least and I'd still recommend watching the video (from the opening post's) as it explains the story very well and is at least interesting.

I think this is the most fascinating compelling poltergeist case there is.

The children did admit to faking SOME of the incidents. They also added that whenever they did, they always got caught and received a stern telling off. Dont forget this case did last around a year and a half and children will always behave as children do. They have also claimed that when they did play tricks, they did it not to fool anybody, but to imitate what the 'entity' was doing.

With regards to the statement as to why they simply didnt move house-
This was far from a wealthy family- Upping and moving house always involves some expense and is never easy.
Secondly, the mother, Peggy, lived through the blitz on London in WWII, this was not a lady that scared easily.
Thirdly, the family, as well as the investigators probably wanted to get to the bottom of what was going on, They had support and protection from neighbours, nearby family and the lead investigators.