Reincarnation + Why Memories are Erased Between Lives?

Intro:
I haven't read the entire thread yet, and there is lots of great posts so far to read! Very interesting perspectives, so I'm definitely going to continue reading! Just wanted to throw my opinion in while I had time.

Theory:
When humans die they lose 21 grams of weight, no matter how large, or small the person is. That's a fact. It couldn't be waste of any kind, we'd lose different amounts. Science says it's skin cell loss, or water loss, or this and that. But I doubt it would be so consistent if that were true. If it's true, that is proof of a soul right before your eyes.

My Two Cents:
Nothing else really makes sense. If we went to heaven you'd think it was getting crowded by now. We must go through cycles and in different places. I think the world is getting so overpopulated with humans because it's an exciting time to be here. We have a chance to realize our potential and live free, and I mean True Freedom, not what we call 'free' right now. I think many souls are drawn here because of all the excitement of a changing world. I can feel the changes in the air, I don't know if anyone else does. A friend of mine said he did too, and he hates when I talk about this kind of stuff. I think the ultimate truth is out there, and it's coming our way soon! xD

There is no separation from our past lives. WHY!!

For all of our past lives exist now in parallel realities in the now.

You see we live with all of our past lives now they are all living right now and existing right now but in parallel realities. Non of your past lives die they just keep existing on another level. That's why you have knowledge of them from time to time to access their memories or your memories.

We are not one dimensional beings we are multi y dimensional beings.
Why do we always think so flat, like in the 1800.

You have the ability to know all of your past lives the only reason we have trouble with it right know it that 3d is vary limiting to what we can see and know as a physical being.

Just hold on one morning you are all going to wake up as say WTF who are all of thees people that I'm thinking of right now, they are all of your past lives kicking you in the ass and saying wake the F up dum ass you are more than your physical body.

The 6 + billion people that are here, are here to experience just that the transformation of our physical universe, to something better that what it is now, they are all here just for the experience just like the rest or us.

That comes from the horses mouth so be ready it's not that far away now .

You have free will to believe it or not that is your choice.
As alway on this world no matter what happens.

How do you guys "know" this stuff to be true. I think, you think you know, but you don't really know.

Wanna know what I know? I know nothing and I'm not afraid to admit it. I don't think you really know either. You just think you do.

You're born into the same world as I am with the exact same knowledge as me. Which is .....nothing! You don't know anything. Everything you think you know, is some idea or theory from some guy a long long time ago probably real high on drugs.

I don't know if there is or isn't a god. I don't know whether or not I have a higher self. I don't know if reincarnation is real. Are any of these things possible? Sure, but where do these ideas come from? They come from other people. You read about it, "oh well that makes sense, or that rings true for me." But that's all it is, an idea, a theory, a belief from someone else. I mean, it's not even your own! I'm about ready to come up with my own gods and own theories and I bet I get some believers, in my idea, just because it "makes sense" or "rings true".

Maybe I missed out on some knowledge between the spirit world and my human birth, but I wasn't born knowing any of these Laws. Like, the law of free will, karma, etc. etc. They are all ideas from other people that you think, for some reason, are the laws of the universe.

Maybe it makes you feel better thinking you know these universal laws, but I'm not afraid to admit I don't know. Now, all these things aren't out of the realm of possibility, but all I know, and really KNOW, is that I'm here right now, alive and breathing, that I know. But all this new age, old age, we're all One, the Ra material, you name it, in my opinion, are just ideas, theories, and beliefs, because I don't think anyone REALLY knows.

This is my opinion with no disrespect intended.

I believe the snake eating itself represents reincarnation. You learn till you die, then you start all over, a dog chasing its tail.

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[edit on 31-3-2010 by sv_gravity 800]

reply to post by CavemanDD


Hey Cave, nice seeing you...

Well, i guess you can rationalize the subject by picking up a theory that
you fancy best and that resonates with your mind structure because of
the less rejection with your current life 'signature' or meaning.

I thought this long and hard.

The only evidence I have is having a very lucid projection while dreaming
where I witness the second death of my granfather, in his old house (a lot
more rooms) with lots of old people from the 20´s and 40´s holding their
hats (big working hands), while i was being conducted by this guide (i
couldnt see his face) fast, because I there was little time (my guess is my
OBE skill is too novice).

This is real as it gets for me.

At sometime, the astral proper dies too. And also: people with low
spiritual freedom (materialistic or religious) hold on enormously on their
ego, and they keep into that "world" view, (even in another dimension!)
and they still have suffering in their after life, as they recurr to their jobs
and crude life as 'security'.

I was very close to grandpa. When he died, I know he went into a full
etheric departure, because he shook my hand, and I felt it the same
way chi does (magnetic, cold) as in saying "I exist". He was in coma, and
5 minutes later my sister calls me from the hospital and tell me he is finally
gone, after 1 day of agony without meds.

Thing is, I never learned ESP or chi flow at that time....

I guess gramps (wich was a very clever and self educated fella) figured
the matrix con in the astral, and since we have a psychic connection (my
grandma has alzheimers, i cant talk to her) I THINK he asked for my
guides to show me that little drama of the people he was attuned before
when he decided to 'rise up' and be a free soul reaching out and leaving
the ego behind.

Those people realized that decision as "death". Poor souls.

As of today, I cant say I have any evidence of re-incarnation, but
knowing you Cave, I honestly believe your account (the future vision).

Thats enough for me.

I personally think that the akashic library of past lives opens up when you
are strong enough for not go STS with the knowledge there.

But, opinions are like [xxx].... everybody has one.

[ ]´s

RP

reply to post by Frith


You are not "doomed to repeat yourself" because your sub-conscious guides you in ways you do not understand - although some things can be unlocked through meditation.

Do not speak of things you don't understand and try to interpret them like you know for a fact that that something is impossible.

Reincarnation is real. Our memory is wiped for a reason. A reason none of us may be able to know or understand in this current life, more or less because of the lack of spirituality in this world we live in.

If we were to evolve more spiritually we'd understand a great deal more about ourselves, and possibly our past selfs. But for now, our sub-conscious (which is our higher self 'guiding' us in a way) will have to do.

The argument that 'there cannot be anything like re-incarnation on this planet because there are 6.7 billion humans living on earth all at the same time, more than have ever lived on earth before...!' is illogical in view of the fact that we don't know how many humans have ever lived on the earth (the estimates are widely varying) ; the other argument ('there is a limited number of souls to go around') is also falacious since we do not know how many souls there are total to be incarnated in first place (and modern 'science' does not even admit the existence of a soul in the first place, so the whole discussion is already in the realm of the metaphysical).

For all we know there could be more than 20 Billion souls [that keep doing the rounds on earth via reincarnation over and over] in the socalled GUPH, for example (which is what the rabbi's call the container of the souls)

Either way, the more humans on the planet, most likely, the larger number of 'younger souls' on the planet at one time who have incarnated less than in previous years- it could well be that normally the planet would have souls (theoretically !) that have incarnated 50 or 75 times or more on Terra ('earth') but that nowadays perhaps the average is down to people having only 10 or 20 lives, who's to say.

All I notice (and it sure seems evident to me) is that the planet is a lot 'younger' in spirit in the 21st century than it was during our parent's or grandparent's day.

In fact I see what seem to be a lot of 'baby souls' running around who are about as young as they can be, spiritually speaking. They are 'a different breed' than earlier generations.

My father for example looked AND ACTED like an 'old man' by the time he was 30 - and so did all of his friends too from what I remember of them and the pictures even from those days - whereas I am nearly 50 years of age -- yet do not act or look NEARLY as old as he and his friends did in those pictures, even now...

Hypnosis may not be fool-proof, but from the literature (over 150,000 past life regressions now in print and/or on audio recordings) show the most astounding feats that could well point to re-incarnation as a fact - people speaking in obscure and now extinct dialects that only the experts can recognise, or in totally foreign languages that the person being hypnotised was never ever ever ever exposed to in life (e.g. a woman of Italian-German heritage speaking PERFECTLY in a rustic 14th century Chinese (Manchu) dialect under hypnosis, giving accurate dates, rulers, places, occupations, foods, slang, common household items, books, names and other historical information that only the experts would later be able to corroborate fully etc.)

If this VAST body of past life regression hypnosis case study literature (and for fun you can also read books like e.g. Past Life Memories As a Confederate Soldier by James H Kent etc.) does not actually PROVE reincarnation, it DOES highly SUGGEST that something along those lines is really going on, i.e. 'scientifically speaking'.

I think people need to go into this with a VERY OPEN MIND, bearing in mind that yes, sometimes, people under hypnosis REALLY THINK they were Mozart or Galileo - but most of the time, people who 'come through' in past life regressions are just ordinary poor people with very simple problems of survival (which typically have the same names/dates/birthplaces/situations each time they are regressed back to the same time period - they don't hop around until that life is 'finished').

One day all of this will be more widely accepted by people generally but for now any excursion into the possibility of multiple lives lived by the same 'soul' is still sneered at, especially by western religious fundamentalists of varying castes and creeds...

More's the pity !

Originally posted by doped00
How do you guys "know" this stuff to be true. I think, you think you know, but you don't really know.

Wanna know what I know? I know nothing and I'm not afraid to admit it. I don't think you really know either. You just think you do.

You're born into the same world as I am with the exact same knowledge as me. Which is .....nothing! You don't know anything. Everything you think you know, is some idea or theory from some guy a long long time ago probably real high on drugs.

I don't know if there is or isn't a god. I don't know whether or not I have a higher self. I don't know if reincarnation is real. Are any of these things possible? Sure, but where do these ideas come from? They come from other people. You read about it, "oh well that makes sense, or that rings true for me." But that's all it is, an idea, a theory, a belief from someone else. I mean, it's not even your own! I'm about ready to come up with my own gods and own theories and I bet I get some believers, in my idea, just because it "makes sense" or "rings true".

Maybe I missed out on some knowledge between the spirit world and my human birth, but I wasn't born knowing any of these Laws. Like, the law of free will, karma, etc. etc. They are all ideas from other people that you think, for some reason, are the laws of the universe.

Maybe it makes you feel better thinking you know these universal laws, but I'm not afraid to admit I don't know. Now, all these things aren't out of the realm of possibility, but all I know, and really KNOW, is that I'm here right now, alive and breathing, that I know. But all this new age, old age, we're all One, the Ra material, you name it, in my opinion, are just ideas, theories, and beliefs, because I don't think anyone REALLY knows.

This is my opinion with no disrespect intended.

Every ones reality is valid, you see we live on a world where all peoples believes are valid there is no wrong or wright there is only experience.
There is nothing wrong with what you believe in or know.

It is what it is and thats it.

Non taken.

reply to post by doped00


How do you know you have a soul? Did someone tell you? How do you know there is a God? Were you told?

Are you seriously asking these questions and expecting answers. Man has been asking these questions for the entirety of his existence. You CAN find the answer because all is within you.

It took me years and years of study and meditation to learn the truths of my existence. It took years to shake off the social conditioning and religious conditioning I grew up with. Then you must begin with simple truths and move from there. The first question is "Am I here?" then you move on to "Is there a purpose?" and on...

It takes effort and practice to tell the difference between a fantasy/imagination vs. metaphysical truth. Fantasy fades and changes like the wind; nearly impossible to hold on to. Truth will grab you from the inside out and never leave once that part of enlightenment is achieved.

You can doubt all you want. It is healthy. However, you will never get anywhere without opening up to possibilities which you could have never even begun to imagine. You must shake off your conditioning and find your own truths.

You ask how can you know? Was I told these things? Did I read them?
Yes, I studied for years. I meditated for years. And I was also told many things during meditation. I have also been shown past lives. You can easily tell the difference between these things and dreams because it is very different.

Try it and see for yourself. You will get mush farther meditating that sitting in a church or reading a book.

reply to post by Sigismundus


You brought up excellent and relative points. Points which I have made many times during the discussion of reincarnation. I am surprised you didn't bring up the 11 year old kid who proved this to be true on tv. He was a fighter pilot during the war and could remember names and faces of those he served with. These men are STILL ALIVE to verify the kids story and they did just that. The boy met with his former buddies who are now a ripe old age calling them by name.

I agree that there are souls of different energy coming through. I would not say it is because they are younger, they are simply a little different. This is how the human species evolves. These souls uplift those that are here who need different levels of thinking. Our children think differently than we do and carry the future with them.

Honestly I am relieved that there are a couple here who understand. I get worn out having the same discussion and answering the same questions over and over about this subject. I find it very odd that the discussion has not evolved from its roots into the more appropriate as well as esoteric applications to every day life and our future. For these discussions are far more subjective and interesting.

Jsettica is right. We each have our own realities and paradigms. None is more right than the other. The purpose for us being here is not to understand that which cannot be known on this plane of existence. We are here to evolve spiritually and to make choices based on our spiritual values allowing us to live out those choices and determine where they go and their effects. Each choice leads us to a different path....so choose carefully and with your heart for that path is long and fruitful. Those who choose the path which serves only themselves are sure to have a rocky road ahead. This is irrespective of the reincarnation subject for all religions agree on those simple ideologies.

20% of the world population is Hindu or Buddhist. Over 1 in 4 Americans believe while another 20% is undecided. This tradition is thousands of years old. Far older than many of the 'new' ideas of religion. I personally do not feel this is a religion for me. It is a lifestyle. The laws (Dharma) of Karma must be lived everyday, not just Sundays when it doesn't interfere with the football game or soccer practice. I sincerely hope that does not offend anyone here but many of you cannot deny the truth there.

Reincarnation is not about money or power like many other religions. It is not self serving but rather serving TO the self in regards to the concept that ALL IS ONE. That in itself should speak to the truths which can be found.

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11


I think you misunderstood me. I'm not asking those questions. I'm asking why people who believe in reincarnation, or 2012, or the bible, whatever it is, I'm asking, how do you know this to be true? How do you know that the idea of reincarnation is fact? You speak about it like it is.

So why is that? What brings you to the conclusion that reincarnation and karma are universal laws. How did I miss out on the knowledge of these laws when I was born?

And what I'm saying is, I don't think you really know. I think you probably read about it and thought it "makes sense" or "rings true" and now you treat it as fact. But really, all it is is some other guy's theory from a long time ago.

And I am open up to all possibilities, but I'm not about to read about something a few times, ie. reincarnation, and treat is as the "universal law" just because it "makes sense".

reply to post by doped00


I was posing those questions to you. You must answer the questions yourself just like you must answer the questions I posed to you for yourself.

I also answered these questions you posed within the body of my replies. In short I was NEVER told these things. My family is strict Roman Catholic. Such things were never even discussed.

I experienced these beliefs. This is the only true way to advance spiritually. You cannot just hold ideas, you must experience and live through them. Thinking about a choice is not the same as making the choice and living through the effects.

Of course I am both answering you and asking you to use your own thinking at the same time. The way in which you are looking for answers seems to be unrealistic to me. You must delve into these realms and experience for yourself to make a decision. Try Buddhism, Muslim, Catholic, Atheism, etc... and find the one which rings true in your own heart. This is the best way to find personal truths.

Here is an interesting case for discussion about the 11 year old boy who remember when he was a fighter pilot during the war.

Video


[edit on 1-4-2010 by Spirit Warrior 11:11]

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11


I'm glad you came upon this realization through meditation and experience. I guess what I'm saying is it makes me cringe when people cling blindly to something they have no experience with, but when you come upon a personal truth, due to: trial and error, experience, and possibly meditation, then it is worthy of something to believe in whether or not anyone agrees.

reply to post by Totalstranger


I've thought about this little snag, but then came to the conclusion that 1) new souls are created, and 2) some people have no souls. I've seen some people that, when you look into their eyes, there isn't anything there. No spark, so to speak. These people are the ones that kill small animals as children... and enjoy it.

reply to post by doped00


I could not agree more. This is actually what pushed me on my path. When you don't by into the religious truth everyone else does just because they are told to all think within the same box you have different 'eyes'. In my childhood, questioning religion is not something you do. You must simply accept and have faith. Go to church and confession, give money and you are saved. All too easy and without thought process. Just have faith is a road that will lead into ANY direction.

I believe that ALL paths reach the same end. Enlightenment and then beyond. The difference is you can evolve more quickly by opening up to more than what man has created.

reply to post by Lolliek


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reply to post by RobertPaulsim


Thank you for the link - it was an interesting read to say the least!

There is a boy in my son's school who is actually one of the people I was referring to in my above post. He gives all of the parents the creeps. It is horrible, I know, to think about a little boy in this way, but many of us have kept our children away from him. I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, and arranged playdates, but I cannot anymore. When you look into his eyes they are FLAT. Like I said above, no spark, no twinkle, nothing. He's been caught lying to adults, he has been cruel to animals and seems to enjoy killing or hurting animals - my son saw him fling his cat against a wall, and drop her kittens from a high perch on one playdate. We've (some of the moms) have talked to his mother about it, and she does have him seeing a psychologist (oh yeah, he started a fire in his garage that burned his house down), but she seems to be at a loss.

This probably does sound crazy to some of you, but I honestly think that this boy is without a soul. And it kills me to say this about a child.

my apologies to the OP - didn't mean to derail thread

[edit on 4/1/2010 by Lolliek]

I don't believe it is possible to NOT have a soul. There are however different levels of expression. This is an exceptional case to use a learning tool for using non-judgment. Of course you don't want your own child to be influenced by what he/she may be exposed to with this other child, but we cannot be the judge for nothing good will come from thinking in that direction.

Perhaps this is a case of possession. Hard to fathom and accept, but the scenario does seem to apply. Perhaps the mother could seek the blessings of a healer instead of a brain witchdoctor (psychologist). It can't hurt and may actually help.

reply to post by doped00


I haven't replied to you but I wanted to. I see where you're coming from. I look within for my answers but its complicated as it can come externally, from another's mouth, almost like a dream sign, symbolism, an answer to a question you asked yourself. I'm not going to get into that whole belief of my observation of the flow and nature of things.

It doesn't matter what perceivable direction the information comes from, at some point it has to filter through you and its you that makes the final decision, or in my case, i keep the decision open.

Hey RobertPaulsim.
Me and him were talking about beliefs as like vehicles, you use them until they outlive their purpose. Sort of like admitting your ignorance but feeling there's something to this idea and you openly, curiously, just run with it.

I want to elaborate on all this how i come to "believe" anything or just use these beliefs, detach from them, but it will go on for several paragraphs.

I'm just wanted to say, i hear you dude. People have a tendency to speak in absolutes. Everyone is so sure of themselves but to express it as such wouldn't give me any more confidence in their ideas, in some way it does the opposite because it appears as if they are fixed/stuck on it. I mostly just keep my mouth shut because its a strange situation, because my personal philosophy SELF-DERIVED from meditation/observation is similiar if not the same as theirs. It could even be the truth, in that sense who could argue the absolute statements? You see, i just don't know what to say on the matter. I do notice alot of concepts being flung around as truths. I sometimes catch myself and think "what is my reasoning for believing this?" It doesn't matter if the information is "right", there is still a tendency to repeat and blindly believe.. but if it IS right.. then perhaps they intuitively know it which I believe is possible to do.

Intuition is a strange thing, it really calls for you to trust in yourself where there is so much doubt and denial. I can't explain this as i'd like to. I'm just saying I see your point.