Area 51 Employees get their phone lines monitored?

Hi,

I read this artlicle about Bob Lazar, a former Groom Lake (Area 51) employee who once worked on a project for Extraterrestrial Technology And Reverse Engineering.

This was a long history on Bob Lazar which can be seen here.
ufo.whipnet.org...
Quoted from the article At area 51, Bob had to sign a secrecy agreeement and an agreement to waive his constitutional rights, which is illegal but was made possible by an executive order with Ronald Reagan's signature on it. He also had to sign an agreement which allowed them to monitor his phone line.

Anyway, the artlicle mentions from the above quote, that if you work on the complex, you had to sign a consent document stating that your phone line will be monitored. And this goes for all Area 51 employees.

Can this be true up to this day that employees who work at Area 51 has their phone lines monitored at home or even their cell phones if their there NOT at the complex?

Thanks.



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You know Bob is a crook and a con-artist, right?

You know that his discussions have all been proven to be hoaxes, right?

You do know this, right?

Originally posted by TLomon
You know Bob is a crook and a con-artist, right?

You know that his discussions have all been proven to be hoaxes, right?

You do know this, right?

Oh really? Your so sure of this?
Prove it.

It doesnt surprise me to have their lines monitored. It wouldnt even surprise me if they were being followed as well. Are you really surprised by this?

Im going to have to say that this kinda a dumb question.

Come on are you kidding me? If area 51 one really as all this unknown supersecret tech that no one is to know about, you really find it so crazy that a phone line is monitered?

If there logic is that no one must know what is really going on there im going to have to say that a monitored phone is about the simpelest thing that they would do.

Im sure there is no end to what they would do to keep the silence if everything there is what they say it is.

Criminal/civil charges:
*Don't Try This at Home
*Company fined in fireworks case
*New Mexico Company Fined, Ordered To Stop Selling Illegal Fireworks Components

Fraud:
*The Bob Lazar Fraud
*bob lazar a total fraud
*BOB LAZAR - True Or False?

How much more do you need?

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Originally posted by TLomon
Criminal/civil charges:
*Don't Try This at Home
*Company fined in fireworks case
*New Mexico Company Fined, Ordered To Stop Selling Illegal Fireworks Components

Fraud:
*The Bob Lazar Fraud
*bob lazar a total fraud
*BOB LAZAR - True Or False?

How much more do you need?

Edit: fixed link

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A thread is not proof, nice try though.

That still leaves 5 out of the 6 links as valid. What is your analysis of the rest of them?

Edit: spelling

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Im still under 20 posts so cannot create a thread...but came across this today...not saying I believe it but its an aritcle none the less:

Area 51 vets break silence: Sorry, but no space aliens or UFOs



seattletimes.nwsource.com...

It is impossible to prove a negative, so lets just say Bob's story is "not likely to be true."

In Phil Patton's book Dreamland, it is claimed the W-2 of Bob Lazar does not have the right social security number. Again, I don't know how you can prove the number is wrong, though it might be possible to see if the social security number is likely to be his based on his age and place of birth.

Lazar's criminal record doesn't really prove one way or the other that his story is true. It's no big secret he likes to blow up stuff. Regarding his programming for the cathouse, it is odd the case even went to trial given that he didn't have a record.

One thing we know for sure is you can't see any door at Papoose Lake. Not on Google Earth or from viewing spots near route 95. I've done the Mt. Sterling hike and also Bonanza Peak. There is nothing at Papoose Lake, or they do a good job of hiding that facility.

Mountain by Papoose Lake

Wide shot of Papoose Lake

zoomed in

I have these photos because I think there is something on the mountain in front of the lake, either a facility or really square rocks. But you can see there is nothing on the mountain side behind the lake, which is where Lazar said they have the hangars.

Originally posted by TLomon
That still leaves 5 out of the 6 links as valid. What is your analysis of the rest of them?

Edit: spelling

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3 are based on his infamous outlaw fireworks show that has absolutely nothing to do with his Area 51 story.

1 is an ATS thread which has no credibility

1 is from a "UFO investigator" who has just as much cred as Lazar

1 is from Stanton Friedman who has an axe to grind with Lazar and Lear. Notice he takes a couple of cheap shots at Lazar in his article.

I'm neutral on Lazar and not sure what to think, however you have failed to provide evidence.

This thread has been hijacked. We should debate the merits of Lazar's story on a different thread. The OP asked about Area 51 employees having their phones monitored.

Ordinarily, I would be tempted to dismiss such a notion. It seems unnecessarily complicated, and perhaps altogether unnecessary, to monitor the phones of a couple thousand people on the odd chance that they might talk about their jobs. Would family members phones be monitored, too? Where does it stop? Equally classified projects are taking place at Edwards Air Force Base, China Lake Naval Weapons Center, Eglin Air Force Base, and numerous other facilities. Are everyone's phone tapped?

That said, I do know of one instance where phone tapping did take place. A test pilot was injured in a crash at Area 51 while flying a classified aircraft. His wife visited him in a Las Vegas hospital and called one of his relatives from a pay phone to say that he was OK. The next day, men in suits visited the relative and said something to the effect that, "You didn't get that phone call and don't talk about it to anyone."

Was the relative's phone tapped? Did someone follow the wife and trace the call she made from the pay phone? In any event, the relative was pretty freaked out by the visit from authorities and remained silent for nearly 20 years.

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Hi Shadowhawk,

I normally respect your expertise and views, however, in this case I wonder how can you be so naive?

Every call, and every email is tracked by your US government via hardware and software developed by your very close allies... and no, I don't mean the UK.

The only problem tthe NSA have is interpreting all the data and storing it.

Really suggest you read 'The Shadow Factory' by James Bamford.

To monitor a few thousand would be a piece of piss - and in my view it would be critical - based on where they work?

Peace!

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Good book, as are all the Bamford NSA books. The gear is made by Israeli owned companies, mostly based on the San Francisco Bay Area peninsula. However, it is a stretch that every call is tapped. The gear, which is still probably installed thanks to spineless politicians of both parties) sniffs overseas calls coming in over the fiber optic cable. The NSA spliced the cables and installed their own monitoring gear in key locations. There is an on again/ off again lawsuit regarding the tap done in San Francisco.

I think it likely that your LUDS are logged and data mined for strange patterns. However with the advent of skype/sip over cellular, tapping isn't as easy as it used to be. Blackberry handset to handset messaging is triple encrypted and unbreakable. This is a big issue regarding terrorists in India and Pakistan since RIM will not give out the encryption keys to intelligence services.

Back to Lazar, it is a dead end. I am going to haul the telescope up Bonanza Peak this year and take better shots of the so-called S-4 base.

Originally posted by BDIDDY425
Im still under 20 posts so cannot create a thread...but came across this today...not saying I believe it but its an aritcle none the less:

Area 51 vets break silence: Sorry, but no space aliens or UFOs



seattletimes.nwsource.com...

Damn you! I spent 15 minutes looking for that link after hearing the interview the other day.. And I'm under 20 posts too.....

Anyways last I hears bank tellers have to sign some sort of paperwork, along with any other person's living at the same residence. I don't see why they wouldn't tap their phones.

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HaHa good...Im still trying to make it to 20 posts...then i feel i have made it...sorry for costing you one...but you know gotta take care of my own

but I thought that W Bush ensured that all citizens in the United States had the "freedom" to have their phone lines monitored and it was not just the privileged few such as suspected terrorists or staff Secret Military bases who did not have to feel "alone"

Doesn't surprise me at all.

I'd imagine this would happen at many places that handle very sensitive information.

If your work involves research that could jeopordize high level security if leaked, they are going to want to take steps to ensure that security is maintained.

I know we had our phonelines monitored when working in certain areas when i served in the forces, ok it was only the phones in the base but every now and again someone would get dragged in to be reprimanded for saying a little too much to their family over the phone.

CX.

you do realize that everyone's phone is monitored right???

i'd hope you're not so naive.

Whatever Lazar says on this subject is, I think, irrelevant in a way. Myself, if I ever decided to sign on to work at a facility as secret as this, I would simply assume I could, at any time, be under surveillance. It's the kind of thing that just goes with the territory. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they even made you sing off on that. You're being entrusted with some of the highest level secrets America has. Anyone who goes into a place like that thinking they won't be watched is simply naive.

Look, my dad owned a club in San Francisco in the early-to-mid 1970's that had a lot of counter cultural icons coming by for poetry readings, little political gatherings and such and both his club and our home phone were bugged because of it. One of my earliest memories is my mom freaking out because she could hear phone bug clicks on our home line and and once my dad caught guys dressed as phone company workers installing bugs his club before Alan Ginsberg came to do a read.

My point is, if they were willing to go to such lengths to investigate a harmless family man who let people read poetry at his place of business, you can be damn certain they are keeping tabs on anyone who works at a place like this. Anyone who goes to work at a place like that who thinks they won't be listened to is, as I said, totally naive.

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