TRUE CONSPIRACY in the making!!! Wiki Leak vs NASA!

So, you think that a shuttle launch can be purposely sabotaged, despite the hundreds of people involved in the maintenance and launch of that shuttle? You really think all of those people could be kept quiet about something like that?

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


So, you think that a shuttle launch cannot be purposely sabotaged without hundreds of people knowing about it?

Why do you think so many people would have to be in on it?

I wouldnt think NASA or the Govt pay any credence to wikileaks anymore than they do to project camelot.
Blow up the space shuttle to divert attention Lol.
No chance in a million. Wikileaks however credible is a non entity as far as the govt is concerned. The so called NWO isnt naive or given to acts of utter stupidity. Yes they are subtle and effective. But as far as the shuttle sabotage or whatever is definitely not on their agenda. Thats as far as I can guess.

cheers

reply to post by rcwj1975


Well, if you're right and NASA/Gov is going to use a shuttle disaster to deflect attention from a damming video, that is due to be released on April 5th, simply release the video earlier, or later.

Release it now or in the next day or two, this will give it time to get out before the shuttle goes bang. (if that is indeed what they are up to)

If the shuttle is destroyed, it would add impetus for more spending on it's replacement, because it would make NASA look like they were right to retire the shuttle, and they are being oh so responsible and caring for their personnel.

Who's due to crew it?

Are they expendable or anonymous? You know? A kind of 'crew C' option maybe.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


Oh blimey, of COURSE a shuttle can be nobbled.

Bloody hell, it doesn't mean EVERYONE is in on it. This is the same argument put forward to refute any cover-up anywhere on any subject.

If there are loads of people employed by a company, that company could not possibly be fiddling it's accounts could it?

Well, yes, obviously it can, and regularly does. Despite 100 accountants in the department. Certain accounts files, only need to doctored or substituted at the right moment, and restrict access to the other 99 accountants.

The analogy above also relates to NASA. If there are 3000 employees in NASA (i don't know that actual number), there only has to be a handful perpetrating XYZ cover-up, and the other 99% are none the wiser.

Why do people use the same illogical argument? The argument that for a cover-up to be real, every single employee has to be in on it?

The corrupt world doesn't work like that, and never has. Most people are always among the duped, rather than among the conspirators.

The golden rule of crime is always applied; The less people that know, the less chance of someone opening their mouths, either deliberately or accidentally.

[edit on 28/3/2010 by spikey]

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

So, you think that a shuttle launch cannot be purposely sabotaged without hundreds of people knowing about it?

Why do you think so many people would have to be in on it?

Have you ever been to Kennedy Space Centre, or read descriptions from someone involved in a launch? They have checklists of every nook and cranny on that shuttle that has to be checked by several people, each item being initialed by the inspector. Not to mention, for a set period of time, access to the shuttle is completely restricted, meaning ANYONE seen near the shuttle would obviously be out of place and suspect, and turning a blind eye to this would require not only the entire ground crew being "in" on it, but every person watching live via web cam, as well.

reply to post by spikey


Who said anything about "every employee"? I specifically mentioned only employees responsible for the maintenance and launch of the shuttle, which numbers in the hundreds. Every bit of the shuttle is inspected at several points leading up to launch by several engineers/inspectors, requiring that the sabotager, as well as ALL people who double and triple check his/her work, to be in on the plan, as well as anyone in charge of stress tests, running computer analysis on fuel lines and insulation, and anyone providing security around the launch site.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


Think about it.

With sophisticated and complicated technology, comes the opportunity for sophisticated manipulation.

In fact, the more complex and technological a system (any system) becomes, the easier it is to covertly manipulate it.

It's MUCH more difficult to covertly manipulate an analogue system with physical cogs and gears for example, which are easily checked by human eyes, whereas a digital system, with complex electronics and IC's, programmes and software, and all of the myriad ancillary equipment that go along with a digital system, is infinity easier to covertly manipulate.

The more complex, the easier it gets to nobble.

reply to post by rcwj1975


Like Phage said I dont think its a conspiracy so much. If anything Id think the wikileaks guys are tools... I mean if they simply released a video without weeks announcement it would just go viral... instead they deliberately use marketing...psychological warfare...

However, if the shuttle explodes, Im going to be back at this thread ASAP

If this were to be a false flag, I would hazard a guess that the launch of the shuttle would be the chosen time for any 'accident'.
I don't think many would argue this, since the two previous shuttle accidents were at launch as well.

This is also why I believe the OP is mistaken in his assumptions.

Lets have a look at exactly what the helium isolation valve in question is actually used for:

Launch processing has proceeded smoothly, but engineers ran into a potential problem March 13 during work to load propellant into the orbital maneuvering system rocket pods on either side of Discovery's tail fin. One of two helium isolation valves in the right-side OMS pod failed in the open position.

High pressure helium, routed through regulators, is used to push propellants from storage tanks into small rocket motors used for routine orbital maneuvers.

So it is part of the orbital maneuvering system, unused during launch and unlikely to cause any fatal failures on board the shuttle.

I also notice the problem was first noted on the 13th March whilst the wikileaks video was cracked (or at least announced) on the 24th March.

Links:

spaceflightnow.com...
spaceflight.nasa.gov...


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Originally posted by ROBL240
It did cross my mind, but as Obama is hell-bent on getting rid of the Shuttle anyway it'll be a needless cause.
The US has to get the parts up to the ISS to finish their command post in order to communicate with the UFO fleet up there.

Thats a bit silly get rid of the only means of transport to your secret ufo contact command post, I will say something there is no limit to the daft ideas people can come up with on this site never fails to entertain always worth the visit.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


Didn't you say;

So, you think that a shuttle launch can be purposely sabotaged, despite the hundreds of people involved in the maintenance and launch of that shuttle? You really think all of those people could be kept quiet about something like that?

That, to me at least, is insinuating that a complex, computer and software controlled machine with many, many thousands of integrated and interlinked parts, many of which are not checked because they are either impossible to visually inspect being buried somewhere in the superstructure, or they are on a benign electronics circuit not deemed critical to vehicle integrity, cannot be nobbled by virtue of a large number of employees having access to the shuttle. Anyone can be gotten at, the same as any machine can be too.

If a president is assassinated, despite hundreds of very aware and very vigilant security personnel and equipment, does that imply that these hundreds of security people and associated equipment have to be in on the conspiracy to assassinate, simply because they (in your argument) would have to have known about it?

No, of course not. And there are several examples to look at.

You know your computer system that you are using now, right?

There is probably systems in place to guard against idiots trying to sabotage it's software yes? Yet despite your guarding against these people, and taking reasonable steps to inspect it's software integrity and safety, these people sometimes manage to get in, and plant Trojans, Viruses, and spyware.

How can it be possible for them to corrupt your system, if you are taking steps to ensure it's safety?

That is just a simple example of complexity facilitating ease of manipulation.

If, for example the computer wasn't connected to the net, had no modem, and you never loaded any external software, which would obviously be LESS complexity as regards your computer system, it would probably never get infected or hijacked.

Although, even though the computer had become MUCH less complex in the example, it is still not impossible for it to be compromised, just much more difficult.

With something as complex as a shuttle and all associated command and control and computer systems, hidden and routinely inaccessible areas both on the actual vehicle and on the control equipment, and ironically, the large numbers of people involved, the ability to manipulate it's systems increases.

Let's go back to your computer analogy.
If you were the only person on a remote island, with your computer (with the same isolated system as described before) you could be reasonably certain that the system cannot be compromised.

If you were on the same island, with 100 other people, you could not be certain the system could not be compromised, as at any time in you absence, any one or more of those 100 people may access it, and place a hidden programme, change genuine IC for dummies, plant virus, keyloggers, or anything else.

So you see..the more people that have access to a complex system the greater the opportunity for manipulation, not less.

Edit to add;

My argument is that complex systems such as the shuttle can indeed be 'gotten at' if desired, and the right key people were involved.

I do not however, think or even suspect that the shuttle is going to be 'nobbled', or used as part of a false flag operation.
Although, if they blamed 'terrorists', it may cause enough outrage to deflect attention away from something else, although i personally feel this is unlikely to be the case.




[edit on 28/3/2010 by spikey]

Hmm, sure hope the shuttle doesn't experience an unintended acceleration due to EMI.

I had a dream about this. The shuttle, if it happens, will explode while coming in for a landing. It will be blamed on sabotage. Things quickly go down hill from there.

We are on the precipice.

nvm plz remove

[edit on 28-3-2010 by ishum]

reply to post by Phlynx


Um no, why do people keep saying this? What is the average viewership of ATS? surely around 5 to 10 million a month? Problem here, many of these hits are from foreign countries as well. So taking this into account. I'mma do the math at 10 million,...hmmm, not even one percent of the population of the planet.

Here's the problem with your assumption, you are talking about an audience that is fairly small compared to most other outlets. Does it really matter if less than one percent of the world's population suddenly hears their plans? If they are "the powers that be" I'd have to say no. The number of affected ears is too small to worry about and I can easily discredit you when the time comes. It should be noted many people who visit this site won't read this thread. One's that do might not believe it.

So what are you affecting? I'm not dissing it, it's great talk but, thinking this is somehow going to stop the plan's of the world elite is a bit silly.

If they even have a plan that is.

[edit on 28-3-2010 by antonia]

reply to post by rcwj1975


I for one don't know why wiki-leaks would announce they have this footage but then say they can't release it yet...just seems really stupid to me, just gives them time to stop you from releasing the footage...nothing adds up here...if it were me in charge, and I just found out NASA planned to do this thing on the same day, I'd release the footage tomorrow, telling minimal people...then it would have that sudden shock value of important breaking news and people would pay attention...

Hey folks

My family and I will be at the launch. At least in the area...6:21 A.M. Thats going to be a early morning for us. Probably get up @ 4:00 A.M. I still have to decide where to view it from since all tickets to K.S.C. and the causeway are sold out this being one of the last launches. This launch was originally scheduled for march 18 but due to the extreme cold weather they had this winter they moved it back to april 5. They made that call on march 12. March 26 was when they said it was a go for April 5. So this has been planned for some time. I doubt wikileaks has anything to do with it. Any way I'll be there with camcorder in hand. My 4 year old son is a rocket fanatic. This is going to be a memory he will never forget. I pray everything goes ok.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
So, you think that a shuttle launch can be purposely sabotaged, despite the hundreds of people involved in the maintenance and launch of that shuttle? You really think all of those people could be kept quiet about something like that?

The world you live in is that it can't??? This is very minor for them!!!

Does NASA have insurance on a space shuttle? If it were to blow up, would insurance pay a settlement? Because I don't think they'll get 50 billion for selling one. Or whatever the astronomical price they were trying to sell Atlantis for.

Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by rcwj1975

 

I for one don't know why wiki-leaks would announce they have this footage but then say they can't release it yet...just seems really stupid to me, just gives them time to stop you from releasing the footage...nothing adds up here...if it were me in charge, and I just found out NASA planned to do this thing on the same day, I'd release the footage tomorrow, telling minimal people...then it would have that sudden shock value of important breaking news and people would pay attention...

I'd have to agree with this OP for now. The launch has been scheduled for some time and has been pushed back as well. They don't keep birds in the hanger, at a cost of X amount of dollars a day just for the purpose of turning said birds into false flag operations... especially for quieting, or pulling attention away from the likes of wikileaks. Sorry..., too far a stretch on this one.