Trust Glenn Beck even though he believes all this!? Pawn of the LDS church? Fulfilling Prophecy?

Originally posted by gwydionblack



Yes. But does he wake thousands upon thousands of people up to the corruption in the states? YES!

I don't feel his religion has anything to do with it at all. Wake people up? Hardly, he deludes them providing a false reality. It might have been entertaining but now he is inciting people to violence and hate and that's not entertaining, it is dangerous for everyone. Good lord, the man believes South Africa is a continent and that has nothing to do with religion.

So good luck with your religion Beck, but for me the sooner he disappears off the air the better I think

Originally posted by projectvxn
I think the hate spewed against Beck is totally unfounded. My girlfriend is a Liberal and she likes Glenn Beck. Is he over the top? Yes. But he is waking people up. Teaching people about the importance of the Constitution and how we should learn our history and celebrate it rather than try to change it and denigrate it.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by projectvxn]

He is a false Profit

Sad to hear such from you, do you forget about his small hand in creating the last mess
which still spews forth? Or his platform which instigated to support the very things you claim to loath for this nation. Quick to believe reform, yet a cheating man is always
a cheating man.

the over the top is indicative of propaganda, to latch on to emotions, you should know this considering your past you have shared...

You might not bother reading those documents everyday because the other necessary mechanisms for vigilance appear to make the ritual futile, however honorable.

reply to post by Janky Red


I just don't see the guy in a nefarious way as some do. He's a libertarian, and frankly I don't care that he's Mormon. I've known many in my life and while I do not agree with their religious views I have found them to be pleasant people.

All TV is propaganda, the only way to avoid it is to turn it off. He may be a wolf in sheeps clothing, but what if he's not?

This has nothing to do with "hating" Glenn Beck because of his religion. You all are twisting words here.

Fact is, anyone who has been deeply brainwashed to go along with absurd religious teachings will always base their philosophies and viewpoints on those teachings.


I am sure that any religious zealot bases his political and medical stance on what the church doctrines have brainwashed them to believe.

People who are involved in religions are NOT independent thinkers. Most do not reason for themselves nor weigh evidence.

Religiously brainwashed people are content to obey the dictates of doctrine and to do whatever furthers their religion's agenda. They do this because they cannot face being wrong.

How can you hope to lead others or "teach" them anything when your own religious beliefs will not hold up under scrutinty?

This is exactly why the separation of church and state is sooooooo important!

Yes I believe Beck's view on religion is nuts. But others will believe it's normal. And to be honest, it's not as if a "talking snake" or "Jesus walking on water" is any less unbelievable.

He can believe whatever he wants, and so can others...as long as it doesn't influence others in a bad way. If you mix religion and politics, you take away that safety barrier, and the ability to do harm to others guided by religious beliefs is huge.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by MrXYZ]

In the world today,there is a problem with the political (and for that matter, religious) discourse. The problem affects and distracts stakeholders in problems from dealing with the problems effectively. I have watched it with fear and trepidation as it permeates the processes of discussion.

It goes something like this: 1) Present an assumption. 2) Identify an enemy of the assumption. 3) Assume that the assumption is true because the enemy disagrees with the assumption. 4) Attribute the enemies action to the victimization of people, (preferably one or two identifiable individuals) 5) Assign a label of (something pejorative) to the enemy. 6) Relentlessly attack the enemy. 7) If the enemy, takes offense--use that offense taken as being proof of the truth of the assumption. 8) Find the instances of outliership in the enemy--use them as proof of the enemies mal-intent. 9) Make up names (preferably, distasteful and prejudicial with a possibility of having them be deviant) 10) Make the argument about the evil of the enemy 11) Work to legislate against the enemy, 12) at all costs, keep the pejoratives the focus of the discussion. 13) Never, Never, Never, Never NEVER actually talk about the assumption and it's philosophical underpinnings.

Mr. Beck is an interesting and entertaining (at times) media icon. He presents ideas that usually are well founded in his perspective, and attempts to present these ideas in contrast to what he sees on the other side. He may be right or he may be wrong, but to attack him for his belief in a wisdom tradition of any kind is a sign of a logical fallacy and should be avoided by people who are willing to critically look at the world and those who attempt to make changes for the better.

reply to post by gwydionblack


No Not becuase of it. But because he doesn't even understand his own religion. MORMANS are not Christians...

Yet he claims to be a Christians. He fails to understand a religion is claims to be. He can not comprehend something that he is a part of.

HE HAS ZERO Credibility to many because of this..

Remember MORMANS are not Christians...

Hey look I just found yet another book about Jesus and it was hiding behind your ear..

DP

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I just don't see the guy in a nefarious way as some do. He's a libertarian, and frankly I don't care that he's Mormon. I've known many in my life and while I do not agree with their religious views I have found them to be pleasant people.

All TV is propaganda, the only way to avoid it is to turn it off. He may be a wolf in sheeps clothing, but what if he's not?

I could careless about his worshiping practices, tis America...
But for a man who claims to love this nation, he sure seems to be trying really hard to
spark something which would be the end of this nation. Everyday he speaks he does not just provide facts, he provides his own context and he uses his context to bridge his facts.

Obama may not be a fine president, but he HAS NOT SINGLED OUT A GROUP
TO DIRECT ANGER AT - While Beck has and does stoke anger and create a narrative
to augment that anger, directed at a group, in this case a political group. He assigns
the motive of why this group is doing they are doing with their political power.

Then everyday he attempts to paint this group as having the same motives and goals
as the worst murderers in modern history. Now I ask you as an American, do you hear lefties or progressives targeting a group in order to coalesce support towards an agenda? BE honest...

Do you hear Beck targeting a group in order to coalesce support towards a "patriotic" agenda?

Everyday Glenn Beck systematically paints my belief system as a pure purposeful evil
intent and willfully trying to destroy America.

DO YOU SEE THOSE PEOPLE FLOODING THE STREETS IN YOUR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES? IS that the face of America you actually experience?

You speak of history, then you know that history shows the road to tyranny
is ALWAYS predicated with the assignment of a SPECIFIC impending EVIL agenda
being secretly forged by a group amongst society. Low and behold I have an this agenda, BECK can see into my heart and knows my true intentions

I know you know this-

Such "singling out", is the lever to garner the support to do what is "needed" to cleanse the evil portion of society. The other valuable key is to establish a bound with your support
through tradition by espousing and cementing a bond thru historical commonalities.
Patriotism, Nationalism, Religion, Infidels, nemesis, ancestry and love of tradition. Without such a bound, tyranny cannot gel, the people are THE FIRST INGREDIENT, without the establishment of an enemy the will to "fight" and be controlled is not there.

If you are a patriot you should be weary of a man who calls others FASCISTS, while relying on the psychological tenets Totalitarian means are based upon. He warns
of Fascism yet employs the specific ingredients used by all the greats of totalitarian
historical document. For such a smart man and successful show biz man we can assume he is aware of his impact and affect can we not?

You watch his show again and you see how many times he uses the word "Progressive". Then note the manner in which he presents a good portion of this nation.

Do you SEE such vile beasts roaming the streets???

Do you honestly believe it is the goal of your fellow Americans to destroy this nation with intent and purpose?

Are differences are there, but Beck asserts that it is the goal to create a nation
on par with the evil of Hitler.

We fight together, bleed together and struggle together and yet this man goes out of his way to fuel very potent hatred and discourse. America IS our differences, we survive BECAUSE we recognize difference because it keep tyranny at bay, for perpetual
imbalance is the key to democracy.

But remember,,,regimes difference is NOT HITLER always, is it?

If a TV man who did not share your political leanings had a show comparing conservatives with the most VILE regimes in history would you not be alarmed?

Diagrams, chalkboards, pictures, quotes, tears, historical heros all pointing to
the pure evil conservatives and Nazis share - If this were the case, you would be outraged because you know your heart does not possess the notions the TV man has assigned to you.

Glenn shares your leanings and lingo which makes you open to his message of love.

I have always viewed you as a real article, reading your posts and all.

You think about Cuba, Russia, Germany, Cambodia, Chile and recall if it was the tyrannical or the tyrannized whole singled a group thru rhetorical and patriotic bounds.

Then ask why is BECK using the recipe, which is primarily an emotional one, to divide
countrymen thru horrendous explanations of his own design.

I might be a liberal sir, but at least one family member of mine has served in every
war since the civil war. You should be weary of men who try to paint me as a kin to the vile Nazis. I am a kin to America and real patriots who destroyed NAzi Germany and Imperial Japan... You don't forget it, please



[edit on 26-3-2010 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Janky Red


I would disagree with the bulk of your post. Mr. Obama does identify a group to be hated. Usually is about people with resources, and the implication is that they have done something bad to get it.

Your statement about liberals is incorrect. He doesn't call his enemy progressives, he attacks those who espouse the progressive philosophy. I am a liberal but not a progressive. I base this on the history of progressivism.

Progressives have a history that includes great liberal ideas but attaches them to government programs rather than individual freedoms. This is a critical difference between liberalism and progressivism. Progressives' history is attached to people who feel that they can perfect the human condition, through the use of disempowering individuals and empowering individuals. Based on my reading, progressives believe that government is the vehicle for this perfection of man.

In the early 1900's, the progressives were supporters of fascism and communism as a path to perfecting society. Not to sound like Mr. Beck, but the reason seemed to be their belief in the beneficence of governmental elites. Liberalism believes in the fundamental need of humans to work out their own perfection, by relying on their own individual abilities.

The founding fathers were liberal. The constitution is based on liberal ideals. The shift since Theodore Roosevelt and the early 20th century has been progressive in nature but not liberal. The progressives have good intents but have never been shown to create anything but tyranny. In fact, I believe that this is what Mr. Beck is talking about. And it should be part of the discourse.

reply to post by ranhome


To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson--it is time to stop the practice of christianity and start practicing the religion of Christ.

Reply to post by gwydionblack

Why are people trying to discredit him?

Because he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Sure, he wakes people up by giving a nugget of truth. But then he spouts off a bunch of BS that is all wrong.

I used to be an ardent Beck supporter. I used to defend him here on ATS. That changed with the Deborah Medina fiasco. I saw his true colors. Liberterian? That is laughable. True libertarians have basically disowned him. Why? He is a lying, two-faced shill.

If you want proof, ask and I will post your proof when I get on my PC at home.


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Originally posted by Namahs5211
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I would disagree with the bulk of your post. Mr. Obama does identify a group to be hated. Usually is about people with resources, and the implication is that they have done something bad to get it.

Your statement about liberals is incorrect. He doesn't call his enemy progressives, he attacks those who espouse the progressive philosophy. I am a liberal but not a progressive. I base this on the history of progressivism.

Progressives have a history that includes great liberal ideas but attaches them to government programs rather than individual freedoms. This is a critical difference between liberalism and progressivism. Progressives' history is attached to people who feel that they can perfect the human condition, through the use of disempowering individuals and empowering individuals. Based on my reading, progressives believe that government is the vehicle for this perfection of man.

In the early 1900's, the progressives were supporters of fascism and communism as a path to perfecting society. Not to sound like Mr. Beck, but the reason seemed to be their belief in the beneficence of governmental elites. Liberalism believes in the fundamental need of humans to work out their own perfection, by relying on their own individual abilities.

The founding fathers were liberal. The constitution is based on liberal ideals. The shift since Theodore Roosevelt and the early 20th century has been progressive in nature but not liberal. The progressives have good intents but have never been shown to create anything but tyranny. In fact, I believe that this is what Mr. Beck is talking about. And it should be part of the discourse.

You are not being honest - and if you are a liberal you would know LIBERALS rebranded themselves with the word "progressive" to shake the connotations
which were attached to the word liberal in the last couple decades. It is not some new movement, it is the same block of people who were called liberals, leftists, progressives, hippie scum, terrorist lovers... Definition does NOT out trump manifestation - LEFTY, LEFT WING, ETC...

So I am a progressive or what ever you want to call me - but I DO NOT believe that government is the vehicle for the perfection of man,,, That is absurd and this what Beck
does... How dare you assign such upon me or my kin, we want a country where we can all thrive, we are not animals or sub human. In every society the controlling forces are government and wealth - TOO MUCH CONTROL BY EITHER leads to TYRANNY from despotism to fascism-

Being a Liberal I am very aware of this and in viewing your six previous posts to date I believe you are misrepresenting your ideological outlook for the sake of undermining my plee to this other member. I do not appreciate it...


tell me WHICH word/s, attached to a particular group, does OBAMA rail against constantly?

HE has broken plenty of promises, let special interest define his policy and spent public
funds in the worst of ways.

But I do not here him defining and directing his rage at a specific block of the populace with persistence. That is a blantant miscatagoriztion and it is a lie that BE perpetuates
with brazen disregard to that fact that Obama does not pratice the very key factor to totalitrianism, which is ALWAYS rhetorical, aimed to devide country man from countryman, using purposly crafted nationalistic rhetoric.

reply to post by Janky Red


I was very intrigued by your response to my thoughts. It would be easy to respond back with frustration and anger. I don't have to prove my liberal credentials but since you seemed to ask. I teach in a social work program at a university. I provide social work services to the community. I have spent my life trying to help life become better for the underprivileged. You can call me dishonest but this is the truth.

I have looked at the history of progressives. And the current belief is that it is a rebranding of liberalism, however, the history says differently. History is clear on the progressive support of the dictators in the countries you mentioned in your posts. Progressives support (as a group) policies such as forced sterilization, and eugenics. It was progressives who condoned experiments such as the Tuskegee experiment. I could go on and on. This is not dishonest, this is just the history. Progressivism has a history of oligarchical beliefs. I apologize if this offends you.

Mr. Obama has branded wall street, insurance executives, bush administration employees as evil. Other progressives have called the men and women in the military horrible names. How many times has the president blamed someone for a problem rather than stating as Mr. Truman did that "the buck stops here"?

And it is interesting that you fail to note that the primary attribute most individuals concede is Mr. Obama's rhetoric.

When Mr. Obama began his campaign, I was intrigued by the man. He seemed honest and capable. But as I listened to him, I noticed that he made promises that I could not see how he could keep. I could not support him at the end and found a candidate that I could support. (I voted my conscience rather than a major party candidate.)

The last response that I would make is that I wouldn't call you by any philosophical title. I don't know anything about you other than what you posted. I simply posted my view based on my understanding of history. But I will say that one thing that I like about his forum is the tendency of most, (at least in the post that I have read) maintain a civil dialogue about the ideas, rather than throwing accusations, vitriol and names at posters. I am just new here though, and maybe I have misunderstood how the posting occurs here. Again, if I offended you, I apologize, I was attempting to discuss Mr. Beck and his views. I still think that attacking a person for what he believes is an error and when a culture becomes unable to focus on ideas and ideals, the culture is in trouble.


With the health care bill, Insurance companies.

reply to post by Janky Red


You make a hell of a case, I'll hand you that.

I think Beck is a genuinely concerned person. I don't think he's evil, nor do I think Obama or the Democrats are evil. I think, like the republicans, that they are greedy, corrupt, lying sacks of #. I think if we're going to blame a group of people for being evil it should be the two party dictatorship we have in Washington. I think Glenn tells a lot of truth a long the way. Things that shouldn't be ignored.

I've been offended by Beck alot, same goes for Chris Matthews, Kieth Olbermann, and Ed (Lets cheat on elections) Schultz.

Yet I watch their programs. Why? Because between all the lies and distortions and perspectives there is truth. This is what I seek. I don't let Beck do my thinking for me, but I'm not going to absorb left wing media as it has been hijacked by the same people who hijacked the republican party.

I used to be a Liberal, I was never a conservative(except fiscally), and I became a Constitutionalist. Because both parties are exemplifying the behavior of hardcore leftists and right wing fascists. My girfriend, who is a Liberal, sees this whole administration and the healthcare BS as nothing short of another lie on the heels of what was 8 years of a republican lie.

I don't hate liberal sir. I don't hate conservatives, I hate those that tell me that we must be ok with one group because the last group sucked. I take exception to those that call my criticism of Obama racist, I take exception to those that seek out shady ways of shoving legislation down the throats of Americans without even reading the effing bill. I take it personally when they tell me that I MUST purchase something that I can not afford to buy. I take it personally that my brother was sent to an illegal war to fight for oil. I take exception to the republic being destroyed by these monsters and all those who enable them.

I was the only person, it seems, that was willing to hold the democrats feet to the fire after I had supported their election, and now here we are. Am I the only one who feels betrayed? I didn't support socialism like Sharpton said, I didn't support the redistribution of wealth, I didn't support more bailouts and the nationalization of the student loan, health care, and automotive industries. I don't support the price controls that will lead to the gov HAVING to nationalize manufacturing and raw materials- it WILL happen.

Glenn is currently painting the picture for others. I bring up Cuba because my family saw the SAME event take place. Obama is NOT a Liberal. There's no difference between fascism and communism, and right now we're seeing a tug of war between the two far side factions that is threatening to destroy this country and the PEOPLE are scared, and rightly so.

Let me ask you this, when you back an animal into a corner, what happens?

[edit on 26-3-2010 by projectvxn]

There was another thread started today that had similar themes to this one. Hopefully there is some additional insight that can offered.

A thread created recently seems to confirm the fact that Glenn beck adheres to original traditional Mormon views on race.

"Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned. "

The thread was located here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Glenn Beck says whatever gets him ratings

Just like Rush Limbaugh
Just like Sean Hannity
Just like Bill O'Reilly
Just like Keith Olbermann

I mean the list, albeit overwhelmingly conservative, goes on forever.

Why the big surprise?

People, in general, are stupid. They don't have a thought for themselves and don't want one, neither. They're glad to put all their eggs in one case. A basket case.

And in this case, their basket case's name is Glenn Beck.

They're idiots. Let them be happy in their own lack of reality while they get duped (hysterically so) by Glenn and his posse of morons.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by Snarf]

So the LDS have some strange believes, if you look at any religion they all have some strange believes. I like Glenn Beck even if he is a pawn as claimed then I like what the pawn is saying.

Thanks for the information.

Where did you get it, media matters, tide foundation, sourcewatch, huffpo, or some other black propaganda source?