Bill Schnoebelen research

I was interested in some posts about this character. He makes some quite fascinating claims about all sorts of things. One of which is masonry. Being a mason, and being one on these boards who is a bit outspoken at times, I thought I would do a bit of snooping. When I started I had the preconceived notion that I would find he never really was a mason, and just made all his stories up. I went right to the source. I sent him an e-mail requesting some information. To my surprise, he answered back. here is the mail I recieved:



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Sure, I was made a Master Mason in Hartland Lodge #122 F&AM in Hartland WI by WM NAME REMOVED in 1977. The exact dates for all of these things have been published in my first book, MORMONISM'S TEMPLE OF DOOM, along with copies of documents in 1987. If you would like, I would be happy to email you an extensive WORD document which contains replies to most of those who have attacked me and claim that I am a liar or nuts or whatever. No charge. Just let me know about if you would like it or if you have any other questions.
Shalom!
Bill Schnoebelen

Sincerely,
With One Accord"


I contacted a few people in that area and found out that Lodge #122 doesn't exist!
HA!

but then I found out that it had been absorbed into another lodge and did in fact exist. The brother who raised him also exists, and from all that I have learned, Mr. Shnoebelen most probably was/is a mason. While we didn't have any more discourse than what I have showed you, I did attempt one more time to have conversation. I never identified myself as a mason with Bill, so I don't know what he might have to say about that. But for the brothers here on this board, that little bit of knowledge may help in future conversations.

I do know what takes place in the blue lodge and in the Scottish Rite Hall. I can assure you that it's nothing evil or nefarious. Quite the opposite. I don't know what things made Mr. Schnoebelen write what he does about freemasonry, but I would venture a guess that it has brought more people to masonry than it has scared away.

Sorry this isn't a huge Expose' fit for the Enquirer.

haha. Good detective work, Network Dude.

"You must understand that it is no great thing to become a high level Mason. All you have to do is plunk down your money and sit through a few weekends of excruciatingly boring rituals and you are a 32nd degree Mason (Scottish Rite). It takes about a month."

Astonishing. I spent ten times more time, effort and most assuredly as much money mastering the intricacies of Warhammer 40,000, and the only recognition I ever got out of it is that I'm one of the few people from whom Tabletop Hobby and Game will still accept a check. So much for the "terrifying mysteries of freemasonry". If I wanted to wear an apron, I would go back to washing dishes. Oh, I forgot, I'm not in high school anymore... Sounds like this guy has an addictive personality, and religions is his drug of choice.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by warpcrafter]

Originally posted by warpcrafter
It takes about a month."

Actually, you can get it done in one day in some jurisdictions. Put that in your Warhammer pipe .

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it takes a bit of time to get your first three. They are the important ones. The Scottish Rite is a cool thing. It is a series of plays put on by different groups of lodges. I am on a degree team with people from surrounding lodges. We have a lot of fun and I actually enjoy being on stage. But it's true that there are very few life altering mysteries that will be given while attaining your 32nd degree. There is a couple though.

I am not sure what made Bill decide to join every religion, and group that existed only to slander them all. Perhaps the opportunity to write and sell books. I just hope he has given up on the vampire thing. there are enough bloodsuckers in Washington. We don't need anymore around here.

Originally posted by network dude
I just hope he has given up on the vampire thing. there are enough bloodsuckers in Washington. We don't need anymore around here.

But now you have free health care to rectify any exsanguination that Bill may inflict upon you.

Bill S has to be either 100% right or 100% wrong. His stories are to crazy, too be only telling half truths. From a man whom has been to a satanic church on one of the moons of Saturn, and a man you can buy colin cleaner from. I don't know If he is lying or not, but I honestly think he believes it. If he is lying, oh well. Bill's stories are the most interesting out there, you can't help but to pay attention.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I keep forgetting about all that.

Im gonna get me some Obama Money!

Originally posted by network dude
Im gonna get me some Obama Money!

At the rate we are going you might only be able to use it as toilet paper.

This guy is basically the Kevin Trudeau of conspiratorial religion/cults.
A decent presenter, awkwardly charismatic and giving the impression that he's a down-to-earth guy.
He's a business man first and foremost.
I'm fairly sure he doesn't care one whit about the people who buy his stuff, so long as they buy his stuff.
He panders to whomever will give him the time.
I think he's little more than a joke...my most favorite thing he said I had referred to in a previous post about him, and I can't help but want to post it again...
He was the most powerful warlock on the west coast of...Lake Michigan!
Which, I guess, alludes to the constant warlockery in and around the Lake Michigan area.
I would pity the people who take this guy seriously...if I cared enough at all to pity them.

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I agree that what he claims is 95%BS, but I was quite shocked to find out that there was a hint of truth behind some of his claims. I might have missed it, but did he ever mention Scientology? I am sure if he was in it, he was L. Ron reincarnate. I certainly would fear the most powerful warlock on the west coast of lake Michigan. He might turn you into a newt.

I'm guessing it can't be any worse than being a vampire who has to make ends meet by moonlighting as a newspaper delivery boy.

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I'm guessing that you have hit the nail very close to the head.

Just don't tell anyone. You might spoil his secret.

reply to post by network dude


I'm telling the world.
But only in the form of books that can only be purchased through my website, which requires a paid subscription to access.
Paid subscribers will have access to all of the information including when and where my next series of live lectures will take place and will have the opportunity to pre-pay for tickets to each of my lectures (but you have to bring your own chairs and refreshments to the lectures...I'm not made of money.)

He claimed that he was personally introduced to Satanism by Manly P. Hall in the 70's

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
He claimed that he was personally introduced to Satanism by Manly P. Hall in the 70's

I can claim the same thing. Claims (like opinions) are like *s. Doesn't make it true. However, if the claim answers something visceral in you, who am I to naysay it?

Fitz

btw I would've been in my early teens in the 70's. But what can I say? I was an avid student