why do gov's always seem to go too far?

just to lay out an example, healthcare.
if the dem's came out and said, hey, were gunna' insure all of america's poor children from birth till they're 16, and this is how were gunna' pay for it, wouldn't almost all americans say, hell ya'!
can someone put up an argument against?
if a simple concept could work, why don't they go there, and then expand on a good idea?

Originally posted by rubbertramp
just to lay out an example, healthcare.
if the dem's came out and said, hey, were gunna' insure all of america's poor children from birth till they're 16, and this is how were gunna' pay for it, wouldn't almost all americans say, hell ya'!

Hell no...several times such things were brought before Bush Jr. He refused them on principle that it will be suddenly a socialist country if that was allowed.

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not familiar with what bush did, but also have no doubt it was not at all simple, and benefited the insurance companies.
also, is, it's socialism, a good enough excuse to be against, on it's own?

Originally posted by rubbertramp
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not familiar with what bush did, but also have no doubt it was not at all simple, and benefited the insurance companies.
also, is, it's socialism, a good enough excuse to be against, on it's own?

Your asking the wrong dude, dude.
Some socialism is required in society for it to stand and not fall into unending revolutions. The only real debate is where that sliding scale needs to be placed.

Personally, I look forward to the day when both sides sit down and have a philosophical discussion as to where society is, where technology is, what are possible gains and consequences with different actions and define exactly what should be universal and what you should have to work for or go without.

I personally think we are almost there...one more thing I would add would be internet access for all...Not a actual computer, just the net access..like public roads.

our thoughts lead in basically the same direction.
i blame alot an the control of our government by lobbyist etc.....
basically nothing is done without their influence.

Because Republicans want to "privatize" the government.
That means, sell public services to profit making entities.
They did it with the military with Blackwater.
They tried to do it with Social Security. Public outrage stopped Bush. Gee, investing all of Social Security in Wallstreet would have been a GREAT idea!
This is because they don't care at all about the public, only the rich.
They think they own you and America, that the job of Government is to serve business and the rich. ALL they care about is getting more money.
Want proof? Simply look at the state of our nation after Bush, the Neocons and the Republican rubber stamp Congress. Think they care? Nope!
All they care about is regaining power so they can make more money! So they lied and fought against a public option. Why?
Public option means a not for profit Insurance company.
It would HAVE TO BE CHEAPER,SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROFIT IS REMOVED!! But that means less for the people at the top! So they cry socialism and lie their asses off, because for them, it's never enough.
Oh, they want you to hate reform and Obama and anything that interferes with their money. They would charge you to breathe if they could. They give you a lousy 200 bucks back in taxes, while they write off billions!
That's really what this whole thing has been about.

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