The Destruction of Catholicism and Islam

Do you think the world would be MUCH better off if the Catholic and Muslim religions ceased to exist given the clear grievous unending tragedies they produce? If you watch the news often and multiple sources for the news no specifics need be mentioned, and especially if you know the ancient history of these two religions.

OR, do you think things would get worse?

Oh and, no conniving remarks like, "I think the world would be better off without religion at all!" I'm only asking about these two.

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Whenever I watch the news on the TV, seeing the destruction caused by the weather and earthquakes, I never see any aid that can be attributed to Islamic countries, not in 'western' countries anyway, such as Haiti, can anyone prove different, I would like to know, plus Islamic countries don't seem to want to help themselves much, as in northern Pakistan plenty of wood and other materials from the destroyed house, but they just sat about waiting for the western charities to send it tents, tents, with winter coming on!
then look at Haiti, they soon stated gathering materials to make some form of shelter.

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A heart warming thought but the human race seems to need to believe in such things almost as if we have been programmed by a sick hearted comedian to remain cut off and therefore distracted from connecting to those around us purely on the basis of an ancient and ever more irrelevant belief system.

I would like to think that without religion to turn our heads that we would reach our true potential in the arts, love, sciences and intellect but something else also tells me that we are not allowed to do that as to reach our rightful potential we might become much more then the simple resources we struggle to be so thus we have religion, a nauseating system of control set in place by a hidden high intelligence to keep our eyes pointed down at our feet instead of up into the sky – our rightful place.

I think that without religion we would become aware of our hidden masters and they no doubt feel very threatened by this possibly so never expect religion to just die because the stakes are high and it will do all it can to remain with us. If it must change or return under a different name then you can be sure that it will because in my opinion it is by its very nature not progressive in nature and was brought into existence only to keep us controlled and subservient, like a low gear for the mind and soul.

Hundreds of millions find reassurance and power from this but then with respect to believers so do those who were ever held hostage found themselves succumbing to the Stockholm syndrome. In my opinion religion holds humanity hostage to higher aims and ideals that are not in our best interests!

Therefore if Christianity and Islam were to suddenly just disappear from the human mind I would lay money on the odds that a new religion would take their place. Actually make that two new religions as these things seem to need opposite numbers like a Ying and a Yang as we are never happy to believe in the same thing as that would mean we have no reasons to murder maim and hate those that have different belief systems.

When it comes to free time we seem to love nothing more than to march down someone’s else's street while beating our drums and threatening those that have a different religious frame of reference, and that is an example of two peoples, Catholic and Protestant that are both Christian – memories of the northern Ireland troubles as a former soldier oh my.

Shiite and Sunni have similar hates even though they are both for Islam and it will not change anytime soon as religion is bigger than the individual much like any strict and unbending authority that demands obedience to the center.

Just my opinions, that strange offensive thing I am entitled to.

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Yes. The world would be MUCH better off if those 2 religions did not exist.But as SJ67 so aptly put it, the human race, for the most part, needs a crutch.



Peace

The world would be a much nicer place if the Catholic Church didn't make it's worshippers feel guilty for everything they do. lol

There's a lot we can learn from all faiths, but the inherent conflict between said faiths that is caused by overly pious preachers spreading false messages prevents such things.

The world needs religion, but that religion needs to be something that we can all unite under rather than an excuse for murder and/or war.

Oooo, I support a One World Religion! I must be an evil disinfo agent.

Rev

ISlam and Xtianity are both totalitarian religions with a "my way or the highway" take on life. There are also decent people in both religions but the idiots make the news. I would not single Catholicism out as a problem and xtian bigots come in all denominations. There is something about book religions that drives the worst part of people.

theres a really wild conspiracy that the Roman Catholic Church started Islam back in the day as a way to get the arab/middle eastern peoples to worship the same god as them. then the plan went to poop.

In my opinion, we just need to nuke both religions from orbit!

Catholicism, yes...absolutely....All variants of Christianity have harmed humanity more than all other religious groups combined, including those nutters scientology...

Islam ? I'm still weighing that one up...

No question if Catholicism where to suddenly come to an end the world would see a spike in health for sometime. However, the Catholic church could well be a front itself and real owners would scramble for some alternative or resurrection. Perhaps that is even part of the plan. To kill social religions then start over with a new image as if genuinely spiritual. No end to the scam approaches that can be used. The key thing is what happens with information and education. If Justice where to return to the uSA it would be short lived with a corrupt media. Without education about what Criminal Law is and isn't and the real freedoms an individual has, people will rush to smother themselves in government as their benefactor and protector. The States can only be true republics without Catholicism or it's equivalent managing the state under the direction of the central authority "USA" on behalf of the higher authority, the Vatican or it's equivalent.

I'm interested in learning from you

why you didn't inclue Judaism ?

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SmokeJaguar, what can I say? You have already said it friend. I too think we could all reach our real potential without the brainwashing of the book religions. I have been a Wiccan for many years, and often wish the other religions could be like we are, free of religious dogma and follow but one rule, "As ye Harm None, Do as thou Wilt." Harm none. Good idea, no?

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Thank you Autowrench and I had no idea you were of the Wiccan faith and knowing this my respect for you has gone up even more because I have never met a Wiccan I did not like.

I actually dabbled with the Wiccan religion many years ago due to its attractive views on the afterlife, a benevolent god and a goddess with its associated relaxed theology and connection to nature.

A very good friend at the time who strangely enough had studied to become a catholic priest had turned away from this faith and had instead become very involved with the Wiccan religion and to this day he did strike me as one of the most gentle, patient and honest of men. He helped me to open my mind to a better way of living and to cast off the last remaining vestiges of a very strict Roman Catholic upbringing.

He introduced me to my inner secret room and there I met what can only be my guardian of light though there were three at the time. I assume my mind kicked into overdrive and presented me to creatures of ego rather than creatures of the paranormal though who can really say what they were?

For this and more I can easily forgive his later transgression. Had I not become friends I doubt I would be so deeply into mediation to this day so he left me something very useful to me.

You see, the only reason we are no longer friends is sadly he took to developing romantic designs on my wife at the time – naughty but to err is to be human right and probably the time to part and go our different ways had come?

If more organized religions were akin to Wicca I seriously doubt blood and carnage would be its consequence - makes me wonder why that is.

Thanks for your post and I can see why we are friends, what a coincidence

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Religion is inheritently evil. All religions are designed to control the masses. This control eventually manifests itself in the form of war.
Eliminate religion and you eliminate millions of needless deaths.

The only faith you need is faith in yourself. Think about it.

I would say "transformation" rather than "destruction." Both faiths have long, profound, and extensive textual traditions reaching back for multiple millenia. I am no fan of book-burning, and the work of thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas or Al-Ghazali represent stunning medieval intellectual tours-de-force. These are part of the human theological and intellectual tradition and should not be eliminated.

But there are many evil and corrupt aspects to all organized major religions that need to be sorted out as quckly as possible. Islam and Catholocism are among the worst offenders to be sure (although even relatively idealized traditions like Buddhism have plenty of dark skeletons boogie-ing away in various dusty closets).