Wikileaks SOS?

Sorry, I see this as a ratings stunt. If they do have it. Then why not mass email it to sites such as this? Make sure the info gets out giving them all the credit. I have to say hoax... Sorry I'm sceptical.

They seem to do this from time to time. They did the same thing not too long ago with the text messages from 9/11 if you remember that. To be fair though, that turned out to be a lot of hype over nothing. I am hoping this will be of more substance. Also, I could see them going ahead and mentioning this online. Let say they do have a video of a government killing journalists. Fine. Now lets say that same government is tailing them and such.. that would make me a bit edgy to say the least and I think going public ahead of time with basic info might grant me some degree of protection, however small.

Originally posted by HooHaa

Sorry, I see this as a ratings stunt. If they do have it. Then why not mass email it to sites such as this? Make sure the info gets out giving them all the credit. I have to say hoax... Sorry I'm sceptical.

If they had something material to an actual murder, rather than just old gunsight footage of a bunch of insurgents getting blown up, they would have released it.

Hoax (and slick marketing) is right.

reply to post by MMPI2


It's not a hoax - wikileaks has always provided good information and I believe this will be nothing less than amazing footage of the atrocities the American government have committed.

we will all know what happend and this site should not be taken down because the goverment got caught in their wrong doings

Entire related subject covered here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Cheers,
Strype

The first rule of protecting yourself is to put the evidence out there in as many places as possible.

If I let it be known I have evidence that has not been shown, that is the time I am at risk. Anyone wanting the evidence hushed up only needs to shut me up.

If the evidence has been spread any retribution is evidence in itself. If the evidence is being kept under wrapps but your telling the world youve got it, the risk of being eliminated to protect the perpitrators is huge.

No sense at all in the way this is being done. If it is publicity related they are playing with fire. !

Respects

I think they are taking a reasonable precaution. In so much as their organizational mission is to expose leaks of wrongdoing, it stands that if they have something important - they would want to get maximum exposure.

If you've got a small budget, getting maximum exposure takes time and a lot of effort, correspondence and making certain specific people will be watching. It also gives them time to secure additional information.

Put it this way, if you're in Vegas and you know you have a really good hand, you want to raise the stakes as much as you can - calling and raising. That several governments are not exactly friendly to WikiLinks certainly warrants taking some efforts to cover their back.

One really big release of the sort they are indicating, pulled off well, is likely to put them in a position of never having to worry about funding again.

And it's not like governments and big business ever try to discredit anyone... ha, that never happens...

In today's media savvy world, marketing is an easy conclusion to make, but somehow, in this case, I doubt it.

www.nytimes.com...

To the list of the enemies threatening the security of the United States, the Pentagon has added WikiLeaks.org, a tiny online source of information and documents that governments and corporations around the world would prefer to keep secret.

The Pentagon assessed the danger WikiLeaks.org posed to the Army in a report marked “unauthorized disclosure subject to criminal sanctions.” It concluded that “WikiLeaks.org represents a potential force protection, counterintelligence, OPSEC and INFOSEC threat to the U.S. Army” — or, in plain English, a threat to Army operations and information.
WikiLeaks, true to its mission to publish materials that expose secrets of all kinds, published the 2008 Pentagon report about itself on Monday.
Lt. Col. Lee Packnett, an Army spokesman, confirmed that the report was real. Julian Assange, the editor of WikiLeaks, said the concerns the report raised were hypothetical.

“It did not point to anything that has actually happened as a result of the release,” Mr. Assange said. “It contains the analyst’s best guesses as to how the information could be used to harm the Army but no concrete examples of any real harm being done.”

WikiLeaks, a nonprofit organization, has rankled governments and companies around the world with its publication of materials intended to be kept secret. For instance, the Army’s report says that in 2008, access to the Web site in the United States was cut off by court order after Bank Julius Baer, a Swiss financial institution, sued it for publishing documents implicating Baer in money laundering, grand larceny and tax evasion. Access was restored after two weeks, when the bank dropped its case.
Governments, including those of North Korea and Thailand, also have tried to prevent access to the site and complained about its release of materials critical of their governments and policies.

The Army’s interest in WikiLeaks appears to have been spurred by, among other things, its publication and analysis of classified and unclassified Army documents containing information about military equipment, units, operations and “nearly the entire order of battle” for American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan in April 2007.

WikiLeaks also published an outdated, unclassified copy of the “standard operating procedures” at the military prison in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. WikiLeaks said the document revealed methods by which the military prevented prisoners from meeting with the International Red Cross and the use of “extreme psychological stress” as a means of torture.

reply to post by pixanomaly


What i am finding most interesting about this is that they cracked military grade encryption, this alone seems a little odd. Methods of cracking civilian 128 bit encryptions are rare and hit and miss, require vast computing power and even then you are playing a luck game.

So how precisely could they crack military encryption? It is no doubt at least 128 bit (at least i hope it is) and uses a modern system and not something that is old and flawed.

Whatever is on the tape may be a big thing, but it's the cracking of the encryption that is possibly a massive story. In fact if they have cracked it then maybe that alone is why the military are investigating them.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
What is the point of announcing the release of material a couple of weeks in advance? Seems like they are creating unnecessary attention to themselves...

While I am sure there is something going on with Wikileaks, I am almost considering that this may be a red herring to distract from something already done...

The act of leaking a document is not a media/public relations event. Creating and communicating drama is a marketing ploy. Something doesn't quite seem to make sense here...

Or it is true...-Shrugs-

I not only agree w/you on this one MemoryShock, but to add:
It really sounds like a clifhanger, doesn't it? Stay tuned and until then some nifty tidbits to keep you going.........

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


To be honest, it could be a pass fail here:
I cannot for the life of me think of who it was (Zodiac/Scorpio) who did the cipher on who they were and what they were doing (serial murders) but it was a school teacher who figured out the cipher/not the FBI. Codes are make-able and breakable and some are gifted enough to break them w/o mass training or computer software.
Just Food For Thought not a debunk.

reply to post by DaWhiz


I thought the zodiac/scorpio cipher had not yet been broken? A little off topic so maybe send me sonething via U2U about it please

Still the 128 bit encryption you use to go online and buy stuff has not yet been broken. Now the government may have developed something but no hacker has done it, there are prizes to break it and it hasn't been done. At least not on the fly or within a decent time scale.

Civilian encryption, available to everyone on this website revolves around AES, twofish, serpent and others. All of these are 128 bit systems (usually) and they are secure enough that even the government uses them, in fact they are considered to be standards. If you take a program like truecrypt you can layer these encryption standards resulting in something that the most powerful supercomputer will spend a couple thousand years trying to crack.

This depends on a few things, the length of the encryption key, the type of encryption used to encrypt the key (whirlpool being a good one), whether you use a key that is attackable using a dictionary attack etc. The military however would i hope use standard procedures to make everything secure.

The military would (again i hope) use stronger methods. There are encryption system out there that use 256 bit encryption. AES can use 128, 192 or 256 bit encryption and i am willing to bet the military has developed encryption well beyond this. In fact it is well known that encryption beyond 512 bit exists.

There are ways of cracking high level encryption, mostly revolving around the interception of the data as it is passed from computer to computer, however we are talking about an encrypted video so these techniques could not be used.

I would be very interested as to how they cracked this stuff and the level of encryption the military was using at the time.

My Facebook account *just* went "unavailable" within (let me check) ...

Two hours of downloading the ACTA. This is troubling.

Shoot ... I have nothing illegal to hide. Are "thought-crimes" now illegal?

This is bizarre, other friends using different mediums of communication report nothing out of the ordinary.

I hate to think that this whole ACTA/wikileaks/current situation is nothing more than a TRAP.

I am about to throw my entire laptop away and buy a new one. This screams co-intel all over it.

Props to my insider friends -- you guys did a good job resource-mining the fringe on this one!

Time to ditch the CPU!

reply to post by MystikMushroom


This is the reason that people need to start using full hard drive encryption and encrypted VPNs' to connect to the net and they need to stop using social networking sites. Those websites are data mined by the intelligence services, they admit doing it!

Some people might think that only those who are up to no good use encryption in this manner, but anyone that pokes around in sensitive political areas should protect themselves.

Oh and you don't need to chuck your laptop away, just grab a boot nuke program and it'll overwrite it so the information can't be recovered. Or if you want to be really careful then pull out the hard drive and replace it.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

So let me see if I got this straight, you guys are all up in arms about the U.S. having a problem with these wikileak people giving out intell OVER THE INTERNET on how to hack into U.S. military encrypted video???

I consider what they are doing anti U.S. and they should be treated as aiding and abetting the enemy. They should be hunted down and treated as terrorizers.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

reply to post by joey_hv


No you're not right. We are up in arms as you put it because these individuals were handed incriminating video and were then harrassed, even detained. They are not trying to destroy america, they are not aiding the enemy, they are exposing corruption and revealing criminal actions.

The USA is not going after them because they cracked the encryption on the video, they are going after them because the evidence of a crime is something they don't ever want to see the light of day.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
Funny that the only country they "go after" is the U.S.
screw wikileak they can rot in gitmo.

Originally posted by joey_hv
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Funny that the only country they "go after" is the U.S.
screw wikileak they can rot in gitmo.

I see so you are pro USA but you don't like someone exposing corruption and possibly illegal acts within a government. Your attitude goes against the founding principles of the USA. And gitmo is an absolute disgrace, freedom loving people hate it, obviously you dislike freedom.

Anyway they don't just go after the US and the fact you believe that suggests you are very unaware of what wikileaks is and wht they have done in the past.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Please breathe

If your account is not back available right now, I would check back in a little bit and it should be back up. Facebook does go through times when it is busy and therefore people can be unable to access their accounts.

I would very strongly doubt that the government targeted you specifically for downloading the ACTA documents. You can access torrent websites such as PirateBay and download the documents there with no hassles. (No, I am promoting this site nor torrents just saying that it can be done this way). If torrents scare you, you can simply type "leaked ACTA documents" in Google and find several links to download the material there.

Of all the ways that "The Powers That Be" could 'hurt' you, do you really think shutting down access to your Facebook would be the most devastating? I sincerely hope not.

I myself am eagerly awaiting the results of April 5th, and as the rest of you am hoping that it is not just a publicity stunt aimed to fundraise their site.

But please relax and do not think the government is targeting you because you downloaded these documents and is getting back at you by closing your Facebook.


P.S. I am truly sorry if this was a satirical statement MystikMushroom, with all the doom and gloom on this site it is hard to tell irrational fear aside from chuckles at the Tin Foil Hat people. If you are serious... Really?? ... Facebook!?!?