Now we have taxes on tanning?!?!

reply to post by RestingInPieces


I think you're the one who doesn't get it. It does not matter if the tax is a penny, it is a tax and by definition it is theft. It is not the fact that they are taxing the tanning bed which is stupid, it is that they are using tax policy to social engineer.

Its 10% on this and 5% on that and you're quickly running into a lot of money. If it were really about health and using tax to reduce behaviors that drive more cost into the health care system they would tax running shoes, golf clubs and tennis racquets. Repetitive stress injuries cost exponentially more to the system than skin cancer caused by the fraction of the population that uses tanning beds.

reply to post by munkey66

The tax will only effect people who use the service, try getting into the sun for a few minutes a day, works a treat

You truly just had the whole point of this article shoot right over your head like a rocket didn't you.

It's people like you who just don't get the picture and come up with incredibly 'intelligent' (/sarcasm) responses like 'just go get some sun' that the government depends on to ensure their tyranny and fascism continue to grow and flourish.

I'm sure the PTB thank you. I for one, do not.

peace


[edit on 24-3-2010 by silo13]

Be ready to be fined if you don't use a condom the next time you have sex.

You are practicing unsafe sex so 20% increase tax for you!

Response from people who support the health care: "Oh well sex is a bad thing and overpopulation is a problem anyways."

Then they tax water bottles, and the response you get from people who support the health care would be "Well drink tap water and don't buy water bottles."

Then they'll tax your internet usage and the websites you visit, and the response would be "Well then don't use the internet and go to the library."

The more you feed the beast the bigger it will get.

People just don't get it.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Emerald The Paradigm]

Well Obama has lied about a ton of things but he certainly kept one promise.

"Change"

reply to post by Rockstrongo37



I totally get what you are saying, and am right there with you. I have stopped drinking soda due to the 'sin tax' that has been imposed here. This is absolutely ridiculous! When it was proposed on cigarettes, non-smoker's rejoiced,never thinking your indulgence ,your diet coke would be in the cross hairs..

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by munkey66

 

The tax will only effect people who use the service, try getting into the sun for a few minutes a day, works a treat

It's people like you who just don't get the picture and come up with incredibly 'intelligent' (/sarcasm) responses like 'just go get some sun' that the government depends on to ensure their tyranny and fascism continue to grow and flourish.

...no, munkey was right... sunshine is free...

...this has nothing to do with fascism... what the tax hogs are counting on is foolish light-skinned people who will PAY and PAY to bake themselves in a tanning salon... its really no different than the whopper tax on cigs or booze... no one forces anyone into a tanning salon - its a choice - a really stupid choice... if you're so offended by the tax, stop going to tanning salons... problem solved...

The fact is for a public healthcare system to work, you have to discourage stupid things that would put unnecessary costs on the system. Smoking, tanning, drinking, etc.

You people aren't upset about what's in this bill.

You people are upset your government is instituting a public health care system?? Do you realize how stupid that looks to the rest of the world? Don't embarass your country. I'm sure true Americans would put their fellow man and womens health in front of their iPhones, big screen televisions, etc.

If you want to fight something, fight the wars. Fight the need for nations to consume so much.

Tanning is stupid. Therefore, it is taxed. Other things I wouldn't mind seeing taxed: Jumping off cliffs, Starbucks, ...oh and a given is that using handheld devices while driving needs to be prohibited...(not sure what laws are like there currently).

oh, and please don't tell me it's about freedom. *Head slap*.

reply to post by Nickmare


Just because YOU think it's stupid doesn't mean that it is.

Personally I don't go tanning because I think there's much better use for my money, but it is not up to YOU or the Government to decide what's "healthy" and what's not.

If the Government and Corporations ACTUALLY gave a rat's ass about your health, then 100 Million+ people would not be hooked on Ritalin, Prozac, and other mind altering drugs.

It's not about health.

It's about CONTROL, POWER, and MONEY.

The real question is why is it acceptable to levy a tax on a specific service? Is it behavior modification or is it because under a universal plan, everyone pays into the system thus requiring taxing upon service that the Federal Government deems 'unhealthy'......

reply to post by Nickmare


No its an embarrassment that a free people are subjecting themselves to an oversight of a few to determine what they should and should not do.

This bill is not, and never was about the health of Americans. It was a flex of the muscle of Federal power to show who is in control. To show who can determine what is right or wrong for the individual and what they should and should not do.

If this was about health, they would have tackled actual problems within the medical industry, such as:

Including ridiculous procedures and coverage in plans
Ridiculous cheap co-payments that ultimately drove up medical costs
State to State insurance pools
etc. etc.

Instead, they instituted a wholesale, one-size-fits-all plan...sorry....that is not how this country was setup, nor how it should be ran.

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Tanning causes cancer! Therefore, no tanning.

Sure, prescription pills are overprescribed. That is because of the capitalist system and corruption which your health care system was also plagued with. I wouldn't mind the government taking more interest in ensuring that doesn't happen if they decided to do so.

The government didn't put people on these pills...GlaxoSmithKline and companies such as those did. Sure these big companies have a vested interest in what happens in government. And I damn well bet that a lot of corporations were dead against the health care reform.

Originally posted by Nickmare
Tanning causes cancer! Therefore, no tanning.

Sun can cause cancer too...so could: Soda, processed foods, certain work environments, certain predispositions, etc....

Do we tax them all because they possibly could cause cancer?

Quick Edit:

You levy blame upon the drug companies....are you a total believer that people are not responsible for their actions? They had a choice...it is the kids that do not, and who along with the DOE and drug companies have been placing kids on these drugs.

Otherwise, it is a personal choice to start taking a prescribed drug. No doctor or corporate entity can force you to take a drug....yet.....



[edit on 24-3-2010 by ownbestenemy]

reply to post by ownbestenemy


So what do you propose? A revolution. Go for it. The government is corrupt, but it is funny to most people that health care would be the thing to push Americans too far. We consider things like the bailouts, military spending, etc...

The people elected to power under the current system of government in the USA used their power...*shock*. If anything I would say that it was bad timing by the government to change a system. People are upset and are looking for a trigger now.

reply to post by Nickmare


Why do you jump right to 'revolution' when one disagrees with your statement.

My point was, if this was actually about health and costs, other plans would have implemented, but instead you see a gigantic (possibly the largest) bureaucratic establishment in United States history occur.

Tell me, do you feel free when you have been forced to enter into a contract that you have not personally agreed to?

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Well, with enough studies and evidence, if something causes health problems, yea they should be taxed. Why not? Do you not want to cleanse your society? Even if that means some hard adjustments? Why live a subpar life.

As for the prescription drugs...kids are not old enough to make the right decisions. Neither are their parents for that matter. Neither are doctors! The problem with a lot of the antidepressants is that we don't know what the heck is going on in their brain. I'm not saying I'm against antidepressants, but there is a difference from somebody who is manically depressed and somebody who goes and gets antidepressants because their dog died and they don't want to deal with the pain.

People are responsible for their actions...but we all drive to work knowing we cause a significantly increased chance of fatally dieing that day. So, who really is responsible. Should we hand heroin out on the streets and let the weak die out?

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Nickmare]

reply to post by Nickmare


I agree with you on this and prescription drugs.

But the companies that make them are not the only culprit.

You have excluded the schools who pressure the parents to put Johnny on drugs, the parents who are too busy with American Idol, thus put their children on drugs, etc, etc......

The drug companies are filling a market....right or wrong, but it is the demand that creates that hole. So I would blame the demand before the supply.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by munkey66

 

The tax will only effect people who use the service, try getting into the sun for a few minutes a day, works a treat

You truly just had the whole point of this article shoot right over your head like a rocket didn't you.

It's people like you who just don't get the picture and come up with incredibly 'intelligent' (/sarcasm) responses like 'just go get some sun' that the government depends on to ensure their tyranny and fascism continue to grow and flourish.

I'm sure the PTB thank you. I for one, do not.

peace


[edit on 24-3-2010 by silo13]

And I repeat, once again someone focuses on the tax and not the agenda,

It didn't matter who got into power, it didn't matter when they got to power, truth is that this has been coming for a long time.

But still feel free to focus on the free advice,
PS. I won't tax you for it

reply to post by ownbestenemy


How was that demand caused though? Maybe government should put money in researching that.

reply to post by Nickmare


I would disagree. While I may distrust information out of a large corporation, I would distrust the information out of a government controlled study ten fold.

Neither have the best interest at heart, but at least with private industry, over time, they will correct their errors in hopes of establishing a sound and solid clientele base.

The government's clientele base is secure and guaranteed, private sector is not.

reply to post by Rockstrongo37

Indoor tanning salons will charge customers a 10 percent tax beginning today in just one of the changes Americans will see as a result of the U.S. health-care overhaul signed into law by President Barack Obama.

FYO, the Health Care Bill is just a very large Taxation Bill with a title of "Health Care".

Ever wonder why the Bill doesn't take effect till 2014? That's so the Democrats and IRS can confiscate incredible amounts of tax dollars (and spend them) before the bills come due.

When the bill takes effect someone else will have to deal with the tremendous shortfall but that will be what Obama/ Pelose/ Reid had planned.

That is just how things work on The Hill!

Get used to it while Obama is in power!

[edit on 24/3/10 by plumranch]