Opinions Turn Favorable On Health Care Plan

Hmmmmm.....let me see....

Medicare - Broke
Medicaid - Broke
Social Security - Broke
US Post Office - Broke
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - Broke

And everyone thinks this will work?

It reminds of the King of Swamp Castle in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". The one that keeps building his castle in the swamp and having it sink.

"But the fourth one stood up!"

And one question to those that think this is a great idea:

Do you all really consider a 26 year old to still be a kid???? Sorry, time to start bricking up the basement.

reply to post by whaaa


Seems I remember many people began suffering from
PEST (post election selection trauma) a couple of elections ago, yet in this case no one seems to be suffering from PBFDT (post big effin deal trauma)

actually, i stand to benefit from this, being 57 years old in may this year!

Originally posted by GBP/JPY
actually, i stand to benefit from this, being 57 years old in may this year!

And so will my mother that had her insurance canceled after turning 60 and never filing a claim. Paying into a system for 25 years only to be canceled.
And my GF who was born with a preexisting condition, diabetes. I have been paying for her insurance thru my business; her premium was $900 a mo. Blue cross.

I would much rather my taxdollars go to pay for poor peoples healthcare than making the war profiteers wealthy or to pay for an Insurance executives condo in Aspen and summer home in the Hampton's.

costofwar.com...










[edit on 24-3-2010 by whaaa]

Nice thread BH

Here is another poll, from Fox News of all places...

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I never thought that I would have seen that.

Originally posted by jerico65
And one question to those that think this is a great idea:

Do you all really consider a 26 year old to still be a kid???? Sorry, time to start bricking up the basement.

If they are full time in school - absolutely.

If they are independent and making their own income - no.

nevermind

[edit on 24-3-2010 by neo96]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Opinions are fine , but they are like a holes , everybody has one . What I Believe and YOU Believe in Private are the only things that really matter in the end . The Protection of your Personal Rights is the Bottom Line , this Bill simply Attacks them IMO .....

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

Polls are nothing but sales pitches designed to elicit favourable answers for who ever paid for the poll. Now as The traitors in congress see the beginnings of the backlash so they are beginning their misinformation campaign. And what's the first thing they do? Buy a poll and appeal to the irrational ideal of the mob rules sentiment. So everyone just lube up and go along with the crowd cause see everybodies doing it.... Sigh

I call this wishful thinking!

Less than 24 hours after the thing was signed they have already discovered that they forgot to include protections for children. Less than 72 hours after it was passed they caught the faulty math - the fact that all of 2010 tax year was included even though not one penny has been collected, the medicare cut was counted twice due to sleight of hand. They continue to uncover all of the bribes and arm-twists that occurred to get it passed. And NONE of that even accounts for all of the pork and pet projects that haven't been found yet.

Just wait until the college students discover that they can ONLY get student loans from the federal government... AND that the interest rate will be 6.5% on a loan the government gets for 2% just to pay for this. I don't know about you guys, but my student loan was for 2.25%!!!

Any time you have a highly charged, contentious environment - people are relieved when it is over. It is like having a close relative suffering of cancer - you are relieved when they finally die and stop suffering. After that relief passes, the grief sets in. Let's see how everyolne feels in 2014 when the provisions kick in - which reminds me... if this is so great and we had to ram it through so damned fast, then why do we have to wait until 2014 for it to go into affect?

Let me see, how does that phrase go, "when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you probably won't hear any complaints from Paul."

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Opinions are fine , but they are like a holes , everybody has one .

Funny, in another thread you Narked on another poster for similar language:

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

I find your wording in this Post Highly Offensive ..................REPORTED !

No I didn't report you. Hypocrite much?

[edit on 24-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by kozmo

Just wait until the college students discover that they can ONLY get student loans from the federal government... AND that the interest rate will be 6.5% on a loan the government gets for 2% just to pay for this. I don't know about you guys, but my student loan was for 2.25%!!!

Actually, the provision changing student loans will significantly benefit future college students. I wish it was around back when I needed student loans!

WASHINGTON — Along with the major health care legislation, the House on Sunday approved a major revamping of federal student loan programs that eliminates fees paid to private banks to act as intermediaries.

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The bill sets automatic annual increases in the maximum Pell grant, scheduled to rise to $5,975 by 2017 from $5,350 this year. The new Pell initiative also includes $13.5 billion to cover a shortfall caused by a steep rise in the number of Americans enrolling in college and seeking financial aid during the recession.

NY Times

The new law cuts out private lenders from originating federal student loans, a change in the process that the Congressional Budget Office estimates will save the federal government as much as $7 billion per year.

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The bill is expected to save taxpayers $61 billion over 10 years, while reducing the federal deficit by at least $10 billion over the same decade. It meets the "pay as you go" principles that Congress has been pushing for.

MarketWatch

Originally posted by whiteraven
President Obama is about as Socialist as they come.

How does his agenda differ from any Socialist agenda?

For one, the govt isn't taking over the means of production, they won't own all the hospitals and medical facilities. The system is still private. What they did is mandate everyone that can afford to buy insurance, buys it. They raised the medicaid/medicare tax on high income earners. If you make over 200k, your federal income taxes are going up about 2%. They are expanding medicaid coverage for the poor. They are raising the income threshold for qualification. And there will be tax subsidies for people with incomes up to about $70,000 to help buy the mandated health insurance. But you're still buying insurance from private companies. There is no public option. Additionally, the new employer mandated health coverage doesn't apply to companies with 50 or less employees.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Aren't most " Polls " Biased in the Fact that they always seem to pose vague and loaded questions to a certain demographic of people that usually don't really represent the main steam public in any way ? Or am I just mistaken about that ?

That is a great question!!

(1) Don't take internet polls seriously.
(2) Always look who sponsored the poll....who paid for it.
The polling company wants repeat business and can skew numbers.
(3) Who was sampled? Was it random? Did they call at night or during the day? During the day you get the unemployed folks who have a different view than those you might reach in the evening.
(4) Did they poll cell-phones...Folks that just use cell pohones and don't have land lines skew more liberal. They are younger.
(5) What part of the country was polled?
(6) How were the questions asked?

Exactly!

And, to add to that- the type of people that actually participate in polls must be noted too. It is usually a certain group of people that are willing to answer questions as such. This alone creates a confounding variable in their supposed 'findings'

Alright, here is you healthcare bill in a nutshell.

Insurance companies are going to get flooded with new participants.
Win for the insurance companies.

Insurance companies are goint to be required to cover pre-existing conditions.
Insurance companies raise rates to cover.
Win for the insurance companies.

Taxes will created.
Win for government coffers.

You are mandated to have insurance.
This is fascism, you lose.

Your taxes will go up.
You lose.
If anyone thinks that rich people actually pay more in our IRS code monstrosity. You have no clue what the IRS tax code is for. People that get paid through stock options and the like, do not pay income tax people. There are loopholes for the rich. There are no loopholes for the middle class.
Sorry you got BURNT again.

Taxes on business go up. Insurance costs them more than the penalty so, you just lost your employer paid insurance. So you have to pay for your insurance.
Win for government because they just got a new revenue stream.
Win for insurance companies because you still have to pay for your insurance.

Now, try and deny my truth. This bill had nothing to do with helping the citizen. It had to do with helping the REAL backers of the Dems. Business, Pharma, Hospitals, Unions etc etc etc.

When will you wake up? Please, wake up.

Your taxes do not go to the government, they go to a privately owned Corporation known as the Federal Reserve.

Your government in Washington does not represent you, they represent their constituents, the Mega Corps and Banks.

You are not represented, you are owned by the corporation known as the United States.

Are you a citizen of the continental United States or the federal United States? There are two jurisdictions in the US. Which one are you going to submit to? The one bound by law under the Constitution? Or the one bound to federal law-colored law, otherwise known as UCC or Uniform Commercial Code? Note, the legislation is not law, when they write it into code at the CMS, that is when it becomes statute, not law, statute.

Tell me, are you humans or are you a corporation?

You can remove your strawman. Ever wonder why Rangle and Geithner were never charged with a crime when they were caught not paying taxes? It is because they are human and NOT corporations.

Google UCC 1-207

The Rabbit Hole has only JUST begun!

[edit on 3/25/2010 by endisnighe]

reply to post by whaaa


This what the bill that is been worked on has so far in relation to pre existing conditions.

Obama promise, The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.

What the bill actually have,

Access to the “high risk pool” is limited and the pool is underfunded. It will cover few people, and will run out of money in 2011 or 2012

Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high risk pool. Only 0.7% of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the CMS report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012

Yes is going to be a "pool for those in the high risk care"

firedoglake.com...

Do not despair is still some congressmen fighting for a public option. but so far the bill that is going to be finalized been written by mostly lawyers of the insurance business will be buying all the whores the can to stop it.

Just because the health care reform was passed it doesn't mean that a bill was finalized that is been going on right now to be voted again

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Don't waste your time, the reality of the health care bill will be hitting everybody in their faces soon enough.

People think this bill is universal and that people with not income will be getting money for the government for fee care

Reality check,

The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance

Still 24 million of poor uninsured will still be uninsured or unable to use the health care because out of pocket expenses, medications and deductibles.

Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can’t afford it.

A 2009 study by the state of Massachusetts found that:

•21% of residents forgo medical treatment because they can’t afford it, including 12% of children
•18% have health insurance but can’t afford to use it

Many poor will have an insurance pay by the tax payer but they will not afford to use it.

firedoglake.com...

Who wrote the HCR? and is still working in it?Well we know where the baucus bill came from

This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009.

The original Senate Finance Committee bill was authored by a former Wellpoint VP. Since Congress released the first of its health care bills on October 30, 2009, health care stocks have risen 28.35%

People needs to stop trusting the government whores.