UFO in Sydney Australia

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by FireMoon

 

You agree that the "the big orange light" which came on, released the "orbs", then turned off, is really a streetlight?

have you read thew hole thread or just jumped in feet first as usual?

Before you people jumped all over Ms Hartigan i was going to ask her. "Did she think the big orange light in the top left was not a street lamp, but some sort of *craft*, or as someone has posted on here, do you have a picture of the object you talk about that hasn't been published"

Funnily enough, in years of interviewing witnesses, saying stuff like... "oh come on can;t you see it's a street lamp"?, straight out, doesn't elicit that good a reaction from people. Give them e a chance to talk and talk freely, they will, nearly always, if fakers and hoaxers, give themselves away.

it would have been nice to ascertain the following. Is Ms Hartigan just a faker, or did she h get caught up in the moment and make a genuine mistake with the street lamp because she was just excited and like so many people, when confronted with with this sort of phenomenon, lose their barings, mentally.


Seems, we might never know now.

reply to post by Phage


G'day Phage

Fiona & me are out on the side of the road with our laptops looking a right old sight!

She's a very nice lady.

I cannot yet exclude a streetlight as the source of the bright light.

It confounds ths issue a great deal.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

OK maybe maybe not will post the properties of the original photos for all to see, as he has them in front of him now. I have also just spoken to Fiona and him on the phone.
They will also post a picture from inside fionas car.

I will go out at another time this weekend with s photography expert at sunset to replicate conditions.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


I know this is a right pain, but can you ask MS Hartigan to t ake a picture through her car window using her iphone from both the passenger and driver's seat?

Ta muchly...

Having looked back at the original photograph the long object I pointed out inbetween the two *'s isn't the beam from the street light. There are two examples of this. both of which I will point out shortly.

As pointed out before by Phage. Air cannot reflect objects in such a way, it needs a reflective material to bounce back from.

If i was to accept that the long white object between the two * marks on the photograph was in fact the sunset casting onto the streetlight then it would of also shown up here on this photograph to the top right. It does actually show up on the perth news photograph. But because it's cropped you cant see it properly.



As it happens you can actually see an example of this glare/beam that you would get from the shot in the top right corner of this picture its just near the circled two shapes. marked with another yellow > by me.


Also marked off again with a yellow underscore is the white line I am referring to. As well as some Pink * to mark off the white object.

The long white object with the underscore I believe is the mirror, and it's reflecting what many people think is a white hatchback vehicle behind the witness. The mirror is positioned in such a way because as already stated by a few people on here, they do in fact drive on the opposite side over in Australia.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Superiorraw]

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Superiorraw]

Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I know this is a right pain, but can you ask MS Hartigan to t ake a picture through her car window using her iphone from both the passenger and driver's seat?

Ta muchly...

I Already asked her to, and she did, he will load...he is just driving now, so give him time.

here is a possible reason why we have what appears to be a image of a car in a reflection, could it be possible that the bonnet of the car that the OP was leaning on was shiny, now shiny surfaces reflect light, camera lenses are glass, last time I looked anyway, lenses are usually slightly curved, couldn't the image be a reflection off the bonnet and in turn off the camera lense?

The Facebook Five (photos).

These are the 5 facebook photos. I have made an animated gif
of them, in order (I think) as she drove and snapped photos.
Notice the approaching car and the tree getting closer.
I contend its a wind blown leaf or other debris, blowing over the
windscreen from bonnet to top of windscreen.

What do you think?

(sorry about the quality, happened changing jpegs to gifs for my program)

P.S might've got the last two shots the wrong way around?...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1e9fdb225d17.gif[/atsimg]


[edit on 26-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

This might be the right order?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4379f6da8c2c.gif[/atsimg]

[edit on 26-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

reply to post by missfee


fiona call you call maybe maybe not he left his laptop in your car and is back at the site.

reply to post by FireMoon

Before you people jumped all over Ms Hartigan i was going to ask her. "Did she think the big orange light in the top left was not a street lamp, but some sort of *craft*, or as someone has posted on here, do you have a picture of the object you talk about that hasn't been published"

The question about the bright light in the photo was asked and answered more than once. It doesn't matter that she didn't say "it was some sort of craft", she didn't said that in her interview either. She said it was not a streetlight and she said that the "orbs" came out of it.


I'm not sure who hasn't been paying attention. Let's review:

To this:

Originally posted by munkey66
well I am not an internet wiz, yet Iwas able to locate the pictures and must say I am perplexed as what to make of them.
The fourth picture has 2 balls in the sun rays and the first has something between the trees down and to the right of the blob

She answered:

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by munkey66

 

the sun had already set at the bottom of the pic and the two objest came out of that orange object their not coming out of sun rays the flair of light coming from the two objests was as if they had been ejected from the lumonus light object sorry im a slow typer

To this:

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

correct it appeard when the large object appeard

Not a street light turning on then?

Fiona answered:

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by cripmeister

 

the street lights were already on as u can see in pics 3/4/5 half way up that tree is a street light and 20 or 30 meters behind me

Then there is this:

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by TwoPhish

 

there is no pole because street lights dont disapear ther cemented in and ther was a light behind me not beside me iv been back twice and at the same time the exact same time and linging up the picture on the print and on my iphone that light i behind me the ufo investagation people were ther last night doing the same thing

She said the light in the upper right of her photo (I assume you meant right, there is no light in the upper left) was not a streetlight. The streetlight which is the only streetlight on her right where she took the photo from.

It...is...a...streetlight. She...insists...it...is...not.

[edit on 3/26/2010 by Phage]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz

Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I know this is a right pain, but can you ask MS Hartigan to t ake a picture through her car window using her iphone from both the passenger and driver's seat?

Ta muchly...

I Already asked her to, and she did, he will load...he is just driving now, so give him time.

Tank you kindly for that and thank Ms Hartigan for me please. It is much appreciated.

reply to post by Phage


i just gave the original photos and propertys to steve he wil pass them on

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by Phage

 

i just gave the original photos and propertys to steve he wil pass them on

Fiona, do my animations accurately reflect what you saw?

reply to post by missfee


Hi maybe maybe not has rung again, can you pls bell him as you have his laptop....
OK yes we are laughing at his first field assignment where he lost everything

reply to post by wayaboveitall


One problem with your drive by snapping is that the car is on the side of the road and not on the main road, the solid white line is to the right

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

One problem with your drive by snapping is that the car is on the side of the road and not on the main road, the solid white line is to the right

The white line is the mid road marker I think you'll find mate. Not all roads have side lines. Check out the daylight photo from google street, I cant find it now.
If she is driving on the shoulder, I fail to see what difference that makes?
If your snapping pics of the sky, all the more reason to be on the shoulder than in traffic no?

[edit on 26-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

reply to post by wayaboveitall




I think you will find mate that that line you are looking at on the right is the road edge, unless for some reason in Australia we have started puting road signs in the middle of the road.

There are 3 lines, 2 outer lines are the road edges and the middle one is the divider

[edit on 26-3-2010 by munkey66]

reply to post by Phage


Full marks for stating the obvious,

Now just for you. I took a report of a sighting today in which. The County standard Rugby playing father of two kids 9 and 11, abandoned them and ran off home, leaving them in the middle of a field in the pitch black of a winter evening after. The weird lights they had been watching suddenly turned and headed straight for them. The kids both wanted to see what it was, the father completely lost it.

That's exactly the sort of confusion, mentally, something like this happening to someone can wreak on them.

Given that and because i have heard it many times before, i tend to give witnesses some latitude about the very specific facts surrounding a sighting until they have fully assimilated what happened. it's not uncommon for witnesses to add in details that are prefecture explainable when, at the time, they saw them in a completely different light (sic)

[edit on 26-3-2010 by FireMoon]

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by wayaboveitall

 

I think you will find mate that that line you are looking at on the right is the road edge, unless for some reason in Australia we have started puting road signs in the middle of the road.

There are 3 lines, 2 outer lines are the road edges and the middle one is the divider

[edit on 26-3-2010 by munkey66]

Your Right munkey, it IS the road edge and shes on the soft shoulder,
But so what?

files.abovetopsecret.com...

it's not uncommon for witnesses to add in details that are prefecture explainable when, at the time, they saw them in a completely different light (sic)

Indeed. Its not uncommon for them to add in details when they are embroidering a bit of a yarn too!
I think the 'suddenly silent Fiona' simply misidentified windblown debris and then elaborated it (just a bit) to include the 'orbs' emerging from 'an orange light'.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

reply to post by FireMoon

Which is why I asked her:

It looks like that streetlight is almost directly across the road from your location and the perspective would make it look higher than the trees. Could it be possible that that you mistook the streetlight for a "big bright orange light"?

This happened on the 21st. She's had a few days to "assimilate" her story.



[edit on 3/26/2010 by Phage]