You must be High on the desert, to think your on the moon.

Greetings everyone but especially to Phage, Weedwacker, OzWeatherman, Chadwickus, and any other specialist I left out....Welcome.

As most of you know, when Neil Armstrong stepped on to the moon, after his famous words, upon describing the likeness of the lunar surface said..."It has a stark beauty all its own. It's like much of the high desert of the United States. It's different, but it's very pretty out here."

That always struck me, not only because of the obvious reasons, but more so because I grew up in the High Desert of Nevada so I guess it always made me take a little pride in the fact that he compared it to a likeness where I was raised.

Now, I don't believe we have ever been to the moon. If we did...awesome, but I realize film had about a 60 year leap on "space" flight and had mastered flying to the moon by way of imagination before the wrights lifted off for the first time, and perhaps that is what was really important. Not that we went, but that we believed we could. Telling someone they can achieve anything they set their hearts on is better then telling them they will fail. Perhaps the psyche of the American public and indeed that of the world was better served believing in it, even if it wasn't real.



The problem is, I believe that dream was crushed the day Kennedy was shot and his vision erased, who in all honesty really wasn't that interested in space, but for the political reasons. I believe he saw space as an alternative to war, as something that could soak up the surplus, manage the population, provide Jobs and many other benefits which could lead men out of fighting and into true peace. I don't believe that is what Johnson had in mind. Johnson was a good ol boy who liked custom designed sweat pants that didn't make his balls itch and Johnson also liked war. How could you not if you owned part in Bell Helicopter, a NASA contractor not to mention, but most importantly the manufacturer of the Huey Helicopter. Space was not a pay off for Johnson, but a dead Kennedy was, especially a Kennedy that wanted to keep us out of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Vietnam public, the other two not so much. Anyway I digress. Back to Nevada.

Again, I grew up in Northern Nevada. Now, after "Top Gun" left San Diego (where I now reside) it moved to a Naval Air Force base not to far from where I lived in Nevada called Fallon Naval Air Base which is where "Top Gun" is at to this day, but that is not what I'm going to talk about, though I'm sure it does have a link.

Outside of Fallon there is a mountain made from sand called....get this....Sand Mountain. It is actually a very well known place to anyone into Sand Rails, Quads, and dirt bikes much like Glamis is to southern California/Arizona except for that Sand Mountain is very distinct as you will see below. My assumptions should be easy to figure out from the pictures I'm going to post, but I will ask you to keep in mind that over 40 years of wind have been blowing on this mountain, but again I don't think it should be that hard for anyone to figure out. With that said, lets look at some pics.

Here is a picture of Sand Mountain from Google earth overhead. It has the coordinates at the bottom of the pick so if you would like to Google Earth it, please do.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2b4e308f132e.jpg[/atsimg]

Keep in mind, that Sand Mountain being in the desert usually has not a cloud in the sky in the spring and summer months which is very important as I will show you in this next pic of the moon.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92e8849156d8.jpg[/atsimg]

I didn't fool you right? Obviously from the tracks on the ground, which are way to many for a rover to make, it is not the moon. It's Sand Mountain. (retouched for moon effect)

Lets try this one.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c86f03731b9a.jpg[/atsimg]
Well is it the moon or is it Sand Mountain?...Compare to this.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f4b1d273ee6.jpg[/atsimg]
Try this...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/aaa679c79163.jpg[/atsimg]
against this from Google earth....
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4217d4fdabc0.jpg[/atsimg]
How about this...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/adcc065cb56b.jpg[/atsimg]
at a different angle but still very close to this...

Look at this chroma key sky. Does life get any better for a developer of film?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b4cd69b58270.jpg[/atsimg]
or this...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dde97e9afd1e.jpg[/atsimg]
Can't you almost just see the LEM sitting next to one of those campers?

Now you might be surprised to find this out, but right around this mountain is regular dirt. Well I shouldn't say regular like Brown dirt, though there is some, but what's really neat is the ORANGE dirt from the all of the minerals that come up through the water table which is very high, not to mention Cancerous...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92e8849156d8.jpg[/atsimg]

Next I want to show you the dust a rover kicks up compared to a sand rail. Tell me the difference 1/6th of gravity is making because I can't see it.



Hadley/Rile?


or Sand Mountain?


Take in the bigger picture...


All righty then. I am done for now. I do not know if the backdrop is San Mountain, I only knew that the mountains on the moon looked familiar....You be the judge.

Peace

Cool thread!

I also am not sure we ever went to the moon when they first said we did. But my theory is a little different. Either we did not go or we are so damn far advanced no one would ever believe it. My gut tells me that the Apollo missions were faked as you have shown here, in the desert, or rather maybe even a movie studio under controlled conditions. Then in later missions we did actually goto the moon, but the Apollo missions were basically a false patriotic fundraiser of sorts lol. But its just a theory I usually keep to myself so my friends still hag out with me

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


Ok so you can kind of make it look like the Moon by turning it grey and adding a black sky in still photos, now try doing that on the fly, with live video feed using 60's tech.

Also, how would one fake the 1/6th gravity and lack of atmosphere out in the middle of the desert? What about the Lunar samples that were brought back? What about all the 400,000 people from various contracted companies who designed and built all the hardware. There were a lot of brilliant minds who worked on the Apollo program. Either they'd have to be all in on it or all fooled by the hoax. But I don't see either of those options happening.

So how would you address the 1/6th gravity and lack of atmosphere? Because there are things I see in the Apollo videos that cannot be done here on Earth.

Wow. Mountains on the Moon look like...mountains. What a surprise.

Yes, if you speed up the movies from the Moon things look like fall they way would on Earth. But did you notice how much longer the dust stays in the air in the Nevada video than it does in the Moon video (check around 1:00)? That's because there is air. In the moon video the dust just flops back to the surface.

It looks to me like the sample got tossed forward into Jack's range of view as he was doing the "hop". He was looking downward at the ground in front of him and saw it.

[edit on 3/22/2010 by Phage]

so . . . the people who were directing the fake moon-landing footage didn't realize that a bag should barely make any noise at all in a place at near zero atmo?

whenever i watch clips from "the moon landing footage" they are always full of psychics impossibilities.

it's amazing to me that anyone with half a brain believes this crap.

[edit on 3/22/2010 by JPhish]

Originally posted by Jdawg9909
Cool thread!

I also am not sure we ever went to the moon when they first said we did. But my theory is a little different. Either we did not go or we are so damn far advanced no one would ever believe it. My gut tells me that the Apollo missions were faked as you have shown here, in the desert, or rather maybe even a movie studio under controlled conditions. Then in later missions we did actually goto the moon, but the Apollo missions were basically a false patriotic fundraiser of sorts lol. But its just a theory I usually keep to myself so my friends still hag out with me

Thanks for your post Jdawg9909.

I for all intents and purpose really do hope we went, will go or are going, but I can't ignore the voice telling me not to believe everything I see on TV. If it came from outside (the voice) I might be more prone to wash it away, but I can't ignore my inner voice...It yells to loud and not only about the moon, but any event televised.

People don't realize Television is the most powerful weapon ever created. T.V. Created the Atom Bomb, T.V. Created Terroists just as T.V. created the moon landings.

People will say 400,000 employees worked for NASA, but can't name one unless famous. People will say there are reflectors on the moon when the whole moon is a reflector. People will say we have rocks, but those can fall in Antarctica just as Mars rocks can. People will say the Moon has a 1/6th of gravity when it (the moon) is caught in the Earths gravity, how can this be?
How can we see the moon with the naked eye in such detail as to make out shadows, but it is supposed to be 240,000 miles from earth? It only takes thirty miles before you disappear from site, if your a ship that is, not because you go over the horizon, but because our optics can only bend that much light in.

Surprisingly enough, I think much like you. I believe we are not the first advanced civilization to arise here, nor will we be the last. I believe the tech, (ufo's) and such, are not alien, rather Ancient tech recovered by those who are in power. Those Mining, Those drilling, those constructing.

Treasure from the last, empowers the next, but it takes some time to find it because I believe the world likes a fresh start every now and again. I also believe that it starts to feel this want, the moment we kick into overdrive industrially, so as to keep balance.

Perhaps the "space race" is a con, to trick the earth into not washing us clean again and resetting the score, but instead to make the forces of this planet believe they have escaped the cycle. Perhaps that is why they keep the secret. I would like to hope it is not, but then again....Who knows.

All I do know, is if it is on T.V....It isn't real, it's entertainment which is in reality Internment.

Thanks again my friend.

Peace

What I do know, is the moon and the sun and the stars rise and set IN the sky every night.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

Now, I don't believe we have ever been to the moon.

Why? All the scientific, historical data points to us having gone, as does simple logic. To say the moon landing was hoaxed is to say that thousands of scientists were in on it. That's saying everyone who designed the rockets, space suits, specialized cameras, astronaut food, capsules, modules, fuel, everyone who did calculations, etc was either a dirty liar or they DID design everything needed to go to the moon and the government didn't use it.

They obviously did build a massive Saturn V rocket and they launched it into space that much is true. So do you think the government wasted a decade of research and development money, likely billions upon billions if adjusted for inflation, and then just ended up filming in Nevada? Why waste all that money? Why not just fake the footage on a shoestring budget and then dupe the public?

And if it is fake where are all the scientists saying so. So far I haven't heard from a single legitimate scientist of any kind who believes the moon landing was hoaxed. What about the Russians, do you honestly think the suspicious USSR wouldn't have smelled a fake and immediately cried foul?

Millions if not billions of people have seen the iconic footage. Are you trying to say these images managed to convince every lunar expert in the world but that a few yahoos on the interwebs managed to outsmart the conspiracy

I'm sorry but simple logic disproves the Moon landing conspiracy, not to mention the fact that every science related claim made by conspiracy proponents has been laid to rest a myriad of times as complete hogwash.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

Oh No! Another "Moon Landing Was A Hoax", Thread.

The only thing different in this one is that now we know that Mountains look like Mountains wherever they are. Thanks for that. It's something I didn't know before. I thought Mountains on the Moon might be nothing like the Mountains we have on this Planet. Now I know.

In all seriousness, though. Do you really believe your Analysis could hold water?

I doubt they had ever thought of Chromakeying in the Late Sixties. Furthermore I think the Computers they had back then would have been waaaay too slow for Chromakeying on the fly. Even if it was possible, Some people today can't Chromakey properly and you'd be able to pick it in the Moon Landing films if it was done which I think was impossible.

So, I do believe America and Armstrong went to the Moon. To actually fake it would have been a lot harder to do than actually doing it.

Anyhow, like I said, I've learnt something about mountains today so it wasn't a waste of time. Really, It wasn't..

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

Johnson was a good ol boy who liked custom designed sweat pants that didn't make his balls itch and Johnson also liked war.

This line alone is worth a S&F!

Cool thread, good work.

I always thought the Moon was way too smooth in all the landing
locations.
Yes we did want to land without obstructions.
But if Mars has rocks why doesn't the Moon since comet activity
during the 7 ages of man's life on Earth have to effect both.

The time before the Moon:
www.varchive.org...

In these later occurrences the Moon played a passive role, and Zeus in the Iliad advised it (Aphrodite) to stay out of the battle in which Athene and Ares (Venus and Mars) were the main contestants. References

However I don't see how the Moon would escape a cosmic rock barrage
that Mars took. Unless we ignore the observations of the people as seems what occurs quite often.

the above found by:
www.google.com...

review of some of the ages of planet Earth

"Why waste all that money? Why not just fake the footage on a shoestring budget and then dupe the public?"

But it does look like fake footage done on a shoestring budget! The spacecraft looks like it was constructed from tinfoil. And there is something really messed up with the background in those moon pictures.

Good post. Definitely a prime location for a fake landing. Since everyone who is watching had never been to the moon, how would they know any better? If they did go to the moon, the images they showed were total crap. More people than you think were also claiming hoax back in '69.

Originally posted by jra
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Ok so you can kind of make it look like the Moon by turning it grey and adding a black sky in still photos, now try doing that on the fly, with live video feed using 60's tech.

Also, how would one fake the 1/6th gravity and lack of atmosphere out in the middle of the desert? What about the Lunar samples that were brought back? What about all the 400,000 people from various contracted companies who designed and built all the hardware. There were a lot of brilliant minds who worked on the Apollo program. Either they'd have to be all in on it or all fooled by the hoax. But I don't see either of those options happening.

So how would you address the 1/6th gravity and lack of atmosphere? Because there are things I see in the Apollo videos that cannot be done here on Earth.

Thanks for your post jra,

I don't know if they used sand mountain or not, just as I stated, I just know they look a lot alike, even after 40 years of the dunes being blown on.

If you can prove to me the tapes were live, I will believe.

1/6th Gravity? I didn't say they faked it. I gave two examples, one on earth and one on the moon and asked for someone to tell me what was different between them, because they look like they are throwing the same tail to me, but hey all I have is my eyes.

400,000 People, why not make it a 1 million, you won't have to show anyone proof, so make it a million. That's more impressive and implausible to deny. I'm sure in another 60 years it will be a million anyway, so we might as well get the ball started now.

U.S. Population in 1969
202,677,000
Now they won't release specifics on the census for another 20 years, but after deducting the Elderly, Women and children, students, military and working class from that number, can you tell me where the surplus 400,000 people are coming from (that aren't Nazis)? I'm really interested to see this, and I would work it up for you, but maybe in twenty years.

Everyone in on it? Do you understand what rank is? Do you understand "Need to Know" basis. Am I to assume that you believe every soldier in any branch of the service knows the nations most sensitive information because they are in the military? Same same.

Here is a good business tip. If you want to run a tight ship, everyone has a specific job they are to perform and perform with efficiency. Don't put your deckhand in the in the Engine room and your navigator in the Kitchen unless you want to find the titanic in person. Compartmentalize all hands on deck or it will be a mutiny and a short run on your captaining career plus everyone can pass the blame till it just vanishes. Government at its finest. Unlimited spending of your money while you beg for them to spend more.

PSST...don't go to mars for rocks, they have them in Antarctica along with moon rocks, go ask Werner, not alice...especially when she's 10 ft. Tall.

Peace

GOD!!

She packed my bags last night pre-flight
Zero hour nine a.m.
And Im gonna be high as a kite by then
I miss the earth so much I miss my wife
Its lonely out in space
On such a timeless flight

And I think its gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
Im not the man they think I am at home
Oh no no no Im a rocket man
Rocket man burning out his fuse up here alone

Mars aint the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact its cold as hell
And theres no one there to raise them if you did
And all this science I dont understand
Its just my job five days a week
A rocket man, a rocket man

And I think its gonna be a long long time...

[edit on 22-3-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]

seriously, i don't think i'm alone in saying that NASA and the achievements of the US space program gave me encouragement to learn more about science as i was growing up. and to hear these people talk about the moon-landing hoax and try to denigrate the efforts of all those men and women who made it all possible just seems to be a failure of the american educational system. which is sad for a country that has fostered geniuses such as Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein to produce such utter morons as some who populate the boards on the internet these days.

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Luna 15 (Ye-8-5 series) was an unmanned space mission of the Soviet Luna program, also called Lunik 15. On July 21, 1969, while Apollo 11 astronauts finished the first human moonwalk, Luna 15 - an unmanned Soviet spacecraft in lunar orbit at the time, began its descent to the lunar surface. Launched only three days before the Apollo 11 mission, it was the third Soviet attempt to return lunar soil back to Earth. The Russian craft crashed on the moon at 15:50 UT – just a few hours before the scheduled American lift off.

Lunik 15

the soviets were indeed fooled to such an extent that they had to move fast to build not just one but three unmanned probes so they could get to the moon before the americans did. now if the soviets knew that the americans were not really serious about their attempt to land on the moon, do you think they would have gone through all the effort of getting there first?

[edit on 3.23.10 by toreishi]

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
But it does look like fake footage done on a shoestring budget! The spacecraft looks like it was constructed from tinfoil. And there is something really messed up with the background in those moon pictures.

It was 1969, only a few years after the advent of color television, they didn't exactly have IMAX HD 3D cameras that could shoot footage on the moon. The cameras were designed for functionality to document the trip they weren't designed to show a great amount of detail.

They did build the rocket, there's footage of it launching and there were people watching it when it launched. Why design all the equipment and the rocket with the purpose of going to the moon if you were going to fake it? And its not just scientists of the day that the conspiracy claims were duped, but every single legitimate scientist who has seen the footage and the photos. Some guy posts a picture of a sandy dune in Nevada and people think this helps disprove we landed on the moon? What shape would you like the lunar hills and mountains to be spherical?

Thousands of scientists would have been on it, not to mention other government officials. There is also no motive for it to be faked especially since we know for a fact they designed and launched the Saturn V. Why fake it? To beat the Russians? The Russians weren't even close to landing on the moon and beating them to the moon does absolutely squat to win the arms race, sure it gives us a morale booster but that's about all. Did they fake it to hide something? Remember that regardless of whether or not we've landed there we've had telescopes and unmanned probes take a close look at the moon before we landed (Ranger, Surveyor) or are all those hoaxes too, even the unmanned soviet ones

We also have several reflectors up there that have been confirmed regularly by scientists.

All the claims made by moon landing hoax proponents fail miserably and always have.

Originally posted by Phage
Wow. Mountains on the Moon look like...mountains. What a surprise.

Yes, if you speed up the movies from the Moon things look like fall they way would on Earth. But did you notice how much longer the dust stays in the air in the Nevada video than it does in the Moon video (check around 1:00)? That's because there is air. In the moon video the dust just flops back to the surface.

It looks to me like the sample got tossed forward into Jack's range of view as he was doing the "hop". He was looking downward at the ground in front of him and saw it.

[edit on 3/22/2010 by Phage]

Thanks for your post Phage, after all you are guest of honor.

The mountains on the moon don't look like any normal mountains I've seen other then "sand" mountains of which I'm certain there are many on the surface of the globe of earth.

Is that why they have the mesh wheels on the rover? For sand like conditions or powder or unmixed concrete or is that Ash? Ash would make a great lunar surface material i'd think. It's probably the only thing that would leave a footprint like that without moisture

I think it's crazy how "a voyage to the moon" nailed the capsule, the water landing, now the popping lunar creatures were a little weird, but it is amazing to me the magic of the Screen. What's better, is no one can come through it (except maybe alice cooper), instead they just watch the only version they get.

Peace

I'm not sure how often this gets posted but it's defiantly fascinating if nothing more.

How Stanley Kubrick Faked the Apollo Moon Landings



Here is the source and another fascinating take on "The Shinning"

How Stanley Kubrick Faked the Apollo Moon Landings: Or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Lies. Alchemical Kubrick II

Secrets of The Shining


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[edit on 23-3-2010 by AreaMan]

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

"Normal mountains". That's pretty funny. I guess you don't get out much. What exactly is a "normal" mountain.

Do the mountains on the Moon look so different from the ones in the background here:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b4cd69b58270.jpg[/atsimg]

How about these?



There are all kinds of different mountains, on the Moon and on Earth.






[edit on 3/23/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by AreaMan

Jay Weidner's nonsense has been covered recently here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Didn't they just announce that after 37 year they found the moon rover up there again? In the picts they show trails and a little black dot thats the rover.

OK I miss read it is the Russian space rover.
www.torontosun.com...

But why would the Russians send something like that up there to beat us if we never did it... Ohhhhh wait that was the whole point to make the waste that money BRILLIANT!!!